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Old 24.10.2006, 16:27
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

Just wanted to say a big thanks to all who supplied information and to let you know that as of today I am employed again - woohoo
Thanks once again you guys and girls are great
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Old 24.10.2006, 18:13
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

Sorry for the late reply...

It is extremely frustrating to me too. We were told they could have reduced it out of "goodwill", but were under absolutely no obligation to do so - despite having proof they were wrong.

What's good for the goose should be good for the gander, IMO.

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To be entirely frank this is something that really frustrates me. Why has the government the right to ignore their own regulations ie the Swiss OR when it suits. Be aware that the government can come at you for outstanding payments for up to ten years as can any other body. But the government is free of any debts after 3 months - okay not always but that is not the point. Why can they have their cake and eat it
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Dear Richard, I ihave been reading all your responses concerning unemployment or getting layed off.
I have B permit and have worked for a company 8 years.
my company layed me off for "personal reasons" not professional as they say. Furthermore, they want me to resign as they state that by me resigning I will get unemployment benefit quicker from the government. On top of that, they will pay me 3 months 100% which is my notice period (as from today I do not need to show up at work due to spying risks) and 3 months "bonus" at the end of the 3 months notice period. My question: should I resign or should I request them to send me a letter? Will the bonus have any effect on my unemployment benefit rate? Thank you for your help or anyone who has an advice!! They gave me a deadline for friday 14 dec!!
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Dear Richard, I ihave been reading all your responses concerning unemployment or getting layed off.
I have B permit and have worked for a company 8 years.
my company layed me off for "personal reasons" not professional as they say. Furthermore, they want me to resign as they state that by me resigning I will get unemployment benefit quicker from the government. On top of that, they will pay me 3 months 100% which is my notice period (as from today I do not need to show up at work due to spying risks) and 3 months "bonus" at the end of the 3 months notice period. My question: should I resign or should I request them to send me a letter? Will the bonus have any effect on my unemployment benefit rate? Thank you for your help or anyone who has an advice!! They gave me a deadline for friday 14 dec!!
Then I better give you a quick answer. This is not that easy to explain and I might have repeated myself below

Firstly, the easy bit; if you resign you will be barred from claiming unemployment for a period of 60 days working days. This is then 3 months. This effectively means they are lying to you as if they sack you your "waiting period" is 5 days!
Secondly, the easier bit; Once you have a formal termination ie something in writing, go to the RAV and register as unemployed. You will of course need to give the unemployed date as the last official day of employment, but at least you have it out of the way.

Now to the tricky bit and here I can only describe your options not give you an answer...

So lets look at your options:
1. You resign and they pay you 3 months plus 3 months bonus.
2. You let them sack you and they are anyway obliged to pay 3 months but what about the bonus?

If they are going to pay you the three months bonus anyway then it is simply a case of your reference letter which is the key to a new job. ie you probably should let them sack you.

If however, they are not going to pay you the bonus should they need to sack you, then option 1 needs to be looked at more closely. Here it is then down to what they say the 3 month bonus is for.

If this is a bonus for your work performed over the past 12 months then you need to take option 1 and resign. If however this is some form of compensation and it is so stated, then you have a potential problem. This will then be treated as an extension of your work and effectively add 3 months employment to your end date. Thereafter you will need to wait 60 days and thereafter you receive money!

Which of course brings about the question what do you want to do? If you want to stay in Switzerland, then how marketable are your skills? If you do not want to stay in Switzerland then take the money and run - make sure they pay the 3 months bonus money in 2008 though...
If you are highly skilled take the money and run. You should not have any problem finding a new job.
If you are not confident you can find a new job then let them sack you assuming you will still get the 3 months bonus otherwise resign.

And then finally a word of warning. They have told you that you are no longer welcome - have they done this in writing? If not then you need to keep turning up at work. I know this might sound stupid but you have an obligation to do so until you are officially told not to. Most companies will play above board here, but some might use the fact you do not turn up as reasons to sack you instantly. Very dirty but not unheard of.

Sorry I cannot provide better advice but there is not a lot to go on...
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Old 13.12.2007, 10:30
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

Tequila! This guy knows what he is talking about so my advise to you is to read it carefully and then make the decision that fits you.

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Then I better give you a quick answer. This is not that easy to explain and I might have repeated myself below

Firstly, the easy bit; if you resign you will be barred from claiming unemployment for a period of 60 days working days. This is then 3 months. This effectively means they are lying to you as if they sack you your "waiting period" is 5 days!
Secondly, the easier bit; Once you have a formal termination ie something in writing, go to the RAV and register as unemployed. You will of course need to give the unemployed date as the last official day of employment, but at least you have it out of the way.

Now to the tricky bit and here I can only describe your options not give you an answer...

So lets look at your options:
1. You resign and they pay you 3 months plus 3 months bonus.
2. You let them sack you and they are anyway obliged to pay 3 months but what about the bonus?

If they are going to pay you the three months bonus anyway then it is simply a case of your reference letter which is the key to a new job. ie you probably should let them sack you.

If however, they are not going to pay you the bonus should they need to sack you, then option 1 needs to be looked at more closely. Here it is then down to what they say the 3 month bonus is for.

If this is a bonus for your work performed over the past 12 months then you need to take option 1 and resign. If however this is some form of compensation and it is so stated, then you have a potential problem. This will then be treated as an extension of your work and effectively add 3 months employment to your end date. Thereafter you will need to wait 60 days and thereafter you receive money!

Which of course brings about the question what do you want to do? If you want to stay in Switzerland, then how marketable are your skills? If you do not want to stay in Switzerland then take the money and run - make sure they pay the 3 months bonus money in 2008 though...
If you are highly skilled take the money and run. You should not have any problem finding a new job.
If you are not confident you can find a new job then let them sack you assuming you will still get the 3 months bonus otherwise resign.

And then finally a word of warning. They have told you that you are no longer welcome - have they done this in writing? If not then you need to keep turning up at work. I know this might sound stupid but you have an obligation to do so until you are officially told not to. Most companies will play above board here, but some might use the fact you do not turn up as reasons to sack you instantly. Very dirty but not unheard of.

Sorry I cannot provide better advice but there is not a lot to go on...
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Rav???

Hey

I work at the moment for a raft company. Last month and this month, due to the weather there have not been many trips, and therefore not a lot of pay.

A collegue the other day mentioned he was claiming money, as he wasn't earning much. He said if you are unemployed you can get 1500chf, but if you show you've earned say 500chf, they will make the difference and give you 1000chf.

Now he has a B permit, and I am on an L.... so pretty sure I'm not entitled to this, however my boyfriend is swiss so he would be, at least he could top up his earnings (we are both working there).

Have searched it on here and lots of people mention RAV. What does that stand for and where do we find them?

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Old 23.06.2008, 02:10
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Have searched it on here and lots of people mention RAV. What does that stand for and where do we find them?
What they do: Search the forum for further information and read the thread with which I've merged your question.
Where to find them: http://www.rav.ch

Good luck.
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

Hi,

Very helpful information, here's our scenario:

- we're both american who moved b/c of employement opportunities.
- she arrived pregnant, which we didn't know at the time.
- she worked from may07-dec07, then 1 month maternity leave jan08, 1 month unpaid feb08, and 3 months @ 40% mar-may08.
- she is being forced to resign, she will end employment at the end of sept.
- i understand you need 12 months full time employment, she will have 11 full and 3 @ 40%.

What we've heard:
- only EU members can receive unemployment benefits in CH
- you must have 12 months full time

should we not bother?

thanks in advance.

* On permits:
What will happen to her b permit? We're not married. I"m guessing we'll have to move back as she can't stay here after the permit expires, and does it expire after her employment officially ends?
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From what I've been told by people who have experience of claiming RAV (because I've elected to quit my job and have been checking this stuff out myself):

* If you are made redundant, you can claim and receive money from the first working day that you are redundant.

* If you quit, you might (read: will) have to wait up to three months before you get any benefit. You can claim psychological factors at work were making you ill, forcing you to quit and get dole sooner. Though you'd need some medical evidence that work was affecting your mental/physical wellbeing.

* If you get yourself sacked then you might have a wait of up to three months. Depends on circumstance.

* You should however in any circumstance register at your local RAV office no later than first day of unemployment (unless you have a good reason, like illness).

* You get 70% of your salary, up to 70% of 106000CHF.

* If you have a family, that goes up to 80% of 106000CHF.

* You still must pay taxes, health insurance and pension.

* You must attend an interview at the RAV every month, demonstrate that you have been actively seeking work and take such courses that the RAV decree will help you find work (they pay for the course).

* They will also find interviews for you (you must attend and make a genuine effort to get the job) and may even find you temporary, part-time menial jobs related to your profession for you to do (you must do them).



Anyone else feel free to correct me or add info!


Gav

Very interesting indeed . . .
Out of curiosity, for those who have received RAV benefits...

If you received the maximum allowable amount 10,500 CHF at 70% (no dependents).

1. How much taxes would you pay.
2. How much cash would you have in your hand.
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Old 06.07.2008, 23:55
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Very interesting indeed . . .
Out of curiosity, for those who have received RAV benefits...

If you received the maximum allowable amount 10,500 CHF at 70% (no dependents).

1. How much taxes would you pay.
2. How much cash would you have in your hand.
The RAV benefits are like any other salary. Usual deductions:
  • Social Security 5.05%
  • Accident insurance premium 2.91%
  • Invalidity risk premium, approx CHF 20
Federal, canton and communal taxes, of course. Rate depends on the commune you live in. Taxes based on taxable income, i.e. add other global income (e.g. bank interest); subtract certain deductions.
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Hi,

What we've heard:
- only EU members can receive unemployment benefits in CH
- you must have 12 months full time

should we not bother?

thanks in advance.
Nationality is irrelevant to unemployment benefits. If you have contributed enough premiums, then you are entitled to benefits.

Special treatment for those who previously worked in an EU country. Their prior contributions in the EU could be counted to determine benefits eligibility in Switzerland.

RAV benefits are definitely worth applying for. You may be lucky and they indeed count the 3 months at 40%.
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

Hello, I have just registered with the RAV and wish I had done it immediately as now I miss out on a months benefit. My problem is that I was on maternity leave then my company and I agreed on a mutual termination, but they wrote my termination letter on the 8th July and only paid me until the end July. I think this is legally wrong as they should have paid me for the month of August as well, so the RAV have said it is the company who has to pay for that month and not them. Also, yes I have to wait an extra 5 days from when I had the meeting with the RAV and there are soooo many forms to fill out and all in German so I really need some help. I can only work 50% so not sure how I am supposed to apply for 10 jobs a month if they dont exist. The RAV consultants wants me to apply for a 50% HR job in Basel, but realisitcally I cant do this as I have a 6mth old baby. I wonder can they really make you apply for jobs outside the canton you live in.? Comments appreciated.
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Old 16.09.2008, 15:47
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

The rules require unemployed to accept a job that is within 2-hours commute each way. It is not a cantonal restriction. That is hard on you. Hope your RAV counselor will be lenient with you on compassionate grounds.

Too late for you. This is advice for others. Register at the RAV as soon as your employer gives you notice of termination.

About your claims on your former employer: maybe the RAV will help you enforce that claim.
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RAV registration and benefit payable.

Hello all, I hope that you can help me to find a solution. I`m a non EU resident B permit holder and currently I`m working. But I want to change a job , Since I`m finish my profesional studies. Also I want to do vacation around 2 months out of Switzerland.
-If I`m terminate my current job Do RAV will pay for me ?
-Or can I terminate and do vacation 2 months ? Do I get any problem ??
what is the best solution ?? Any body have idea ??

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Old 05.10.2008, 21:17
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

To qualify for unemployment benefits, you must have worked continuously during the previous 12 months and paid contributions into the unemployment insurance.

If you terminate, then the RAV may make you wait several weeks and months before they give you any benefits.

To obtain benefits, you must be resident in Switzerland and every month produce proof that you are actively seeking employment. Also RAV may require you to appear frequently at their offices, attend their courses, etc.
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

There's a lot of information to digest here... all of it really helpful. But I'd like to know whether or not I would still be allowed to register with RAV and not claim benefits (since I'm not entitled to them anyway) but receive some aid instead in my job-search. I've never worked a day in Switzerland, just been a good housewife, so I'm not looking to get the dole, but I rather hoped they might have some advice on how better to get a job here since head hunting agencies were so not helpful, my qualifications are non-professional, and I have never received good news from any of my job applications. If they choose to send me on training courses and such, would I have to pay for it or are these courses free, since they're supposed to increase my job application success?
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I don't know the rules in Bern where you are, but when my hubby came to Switzerland we lived in Winterthur and we were told that he could register and use their facilities (newspapers, etc) even though he wasn't going to get any money. He didn't do it after all as our field is so small the RAV would have been no use (jobs usually not in papers, lots of word of mouth).
Whether you would have to pay for courses I don't know. I did one a while back and thought it was mostly useful as we looked at our CVs and improved them according to the latest rules in HR amongst other (imo less useful) things.
I suggest you get in touch with the RAV in Bern. I would assume they have someone who speaks decent English if you think your German wont be good enough. Otherwise PM me.
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There's a lot of information to digest here... all of it really helpful. But I'd like to know whether or not I would still be allowed to register with RAV and not claim benefits (since I'm not entitled to them anyway) but receive some aid instead in my job-search. I've never worked a day in Switzerland, just been a good housewife, so I'm not looking to get the dole, but I rather hoped they might have some advice on how better to get a job here since head hunting agencies were so not helpful, my qualifications are non-professional, and I have never received good news from any of my job applications. If they choose to send me on training courses and such, would I have to pay for it or are these courses free, since they're supposed to increase my job application success?
Really depends on your local RAV. They can help you but are not obliged to help you. You must pay for the courses because you are not entitled to benefits.
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Old 30.10.2008, 17:38
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

I recently contacted the people from www.treffpunkt-arbeit.ch about unemployment and aid for job seekers after explaining my situation etc and this is was their reply to me:
The regional employment centers ("RAV" in German / "ORP" in French) are at your disposal for all questions related to placement. It is part of their duty to assist job-seekers (Swiss citizen and foreigners). The legal basis of providing support is fixed in Article 26, paragraph 1 and 2 of the Swiss federal law concerning the placement ("Bundesgesetz vom 6. Oktober 1989 über die Arbeitsvermittlung und den Personalverleih (Arbeitsvermittlungsgesetz, AVG) in German / "Loi fédérale du 6 octobre 1989 sur le service de l'emploi et la location de services (LSE)" in French; http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/c823_11.html):
Art. 26 Vermittlungspflicht und Unparteilichkeit

1 Die Arbeitsämter stellen ihre Dienste allen schweizerischen Stellensuchenden und den in der Schweiz domizilierten Arbeitgebern unparteiisch zur Verfügung.
2 Ebenso vermitteln und beraten sie ausländische Stellensuchende, die sich in der Schweiz aufhalten und zur Erwerbstätigkeit sowie zum Stellen- und Berufswechsel berechtigt sind.
Art. 26 Obligation de placer et impartialité

1 Les offices du travail fournissent leurs services en toute impartialité aux demandeurs d'emploi suisses et aux employeurs domiciliés en Suisse.
2 Ils placent et conseillent de même les demandeurs d'emploi étrangers séjournant en Suisse, dont le permis les autorise à exercer une activité lucrative et à changer d'emploi et de profession.
So, seeing as it is part of their duty to assist job seekers regardless of origin, I guess I will pay then a visit next week. Really it's the only way to find out what I can and can't do, and whether or not they will help me.
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

Hi RAVers
I have was given a termination notice from my job and have a couple of months left of their paid holiday. I am wondering when I should register at the RAV office, I know some people said they are nice and helpful, but is it really to my advantage to register earlier than I need to? I understand they won't put me on any courses until I am recieveing benefits. I read also somewhere the latest date to register was the first day after you are no longer employed so if my job pays me until end Feb, the last day I can go to the RAV office is March 3rd since March 1 is a Sunday? If others have experience of he ZH RAV office in LagerStrasse are they helpful or looking to find an excuse not to pay you your god given right to state benefits
I read in the papers they are trying to stop arbietslos going to citizens of east european countries, does anyone have an idea if/when this is this going to happen?
One more question did anyone mange to spend 3 months abroad "searching for work" while being paid by the RAV
Thanks for you answers
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