Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Employment
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 26.11.2011, 20:21
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: INNS 3232
Posts: 94
Groaned at 9 Times in 4 Posts
Thanked 19 Times in 12 Posts
souler has no particular reputation at present
So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

What would your reacton be to your boss saying your sacked but will you stay on for a month and train the^new guy up would you do it , is it accepable in swtzerland
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 26.11.2011, 20:23
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Neuchatel
Posts: 6,955
Groaned at 83 Times in 56 Posts
Thanked 6,470 Times in 3,017 Posts
Odile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond repute
Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

No way - they can't expect you to do that, surely. If you choose to leave, then it's another story.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Odile for this useful post:
  #3  
Old 26.11.2011, 20:24
Sandgrounder's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: ZH
Posts: 5,764
Groaned at 43 Times in 37 Posts
Thanked 6,668 Times in 2,851 Posts
Sandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond repute
Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

Quote:
View Post
What would your reacton be to your boss saying your sacked but will you stay on for a month and train the^new guy up would you do it , is it accepable in swtzerland
Depends what the notice period stated in your contract is. Most places get you to stay anything up to three months, depending how long you have worked there.

People are only usually dismissed immediately if they are in a trusted position (client relations, etc) or they've done something which constitutes gross misconduct (assaulted the boss or nicked something).
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 26.11.2011, 20:27
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: INNS 3232
Posts: 94
Groaned at 9 Times in 4 Posts
Thanked 19 Times in 12 Posts
souler has no particular reputation at present
Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

I know this is not right being from england it,s not humane i feel so sorry for the guy who has to endure this what can they do
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 26.11.2011, 20:30
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: INNS 3232
Posts: 94
Groaned at 9 Times in 4 Posts
Thanked 19 Times in 12 Posts
souler has no particular reputation at present
Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

Quote:
View Post
Depends what the notice period stated in your contract is. Most places get you to stay anything up to three months, depending how long you have worked there.

People are only usually dismissed immediately if they are in a trusted position (client relations, etc) or they've done something which constitutes gross misconduct (assaulted the boss or nicked something).

Yes understand that they have to work a notice perod but to have to show your understudy how to do your job is another thing dont you think
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank souler for this useful post:
  #6  
Old 26.11.2011, 20:32
W-Maximus's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 154
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 93 Times in 56 Posts
W-Maximus is considered knowledgeableW-Maximus is considered knowledgeableW-Maximus is considered knowledgeable
Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

Quote:
View Post
What would your reacton be to your boss saying your sacked but will you stay on for a month and train the^new guy up would you do it , is it accepable in swtzerland
Legally, it may be acceptable, but morally it is bankrupt. I would not disagree to the train the new fella, but I would do a very sloppy job. Do they think that you have no emotions?
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank W-Maximus for this useful post:
  #7  
Old 26.11.2011, 20:35
Sandgrounder's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: ZH
Posts: 5,764
Groaned at 43 Times in 37 Posts
Thanked 6,668 Times in 2,851 Posts
Sandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond repute
Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

Quote:
View Post
Yes understand that they have to work a notice perod but to have to show your understudy how to do your job is another thing dont you think
Painful as it might be, you might want to think twice before you do a half-assed job on retraining the noob - I take it they haven't given you a reference yet.

If a firm is going to act in a crap way in regard to handling your dismissal, it would be sensible to assume they'll act that way in all aspects.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 26.11.2011, 20:47
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: INNS 3232
Posts: 94
Groaned at 9 Times in 4 Posts
Thanked 19 Times in 12 Posts
souler has no particular reputation at present
Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

thanks i know he needs references but god this s so crap
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 26.11.2011, 20:48
wattsli1's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Basel Land
Posts: 727
Groaned at 10 Times in 4 Posts
Thanked 923 Times in 331 Posts
wattsli1 has a reputation beyond reputewattsli1 has a reputation beyond reputewattsli1 has a reputation beyond reputewattsli1 has a reputation beyond reputewattsli1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

Novartis is at the moment asking (indeed expecting) several hundred people to stay on and train the new guys in India for at least a year. I think it sucks, but definitely "allowed".
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank wattsli1 for this useful post:
  #10  
Old 26.11.2011, 20:54
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: INNS 3232
Posts: 94
Groaned at 9 Times in 4 Posts
Thanked 19 Times in 12 Posts
souler has no particular reputation at present
Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

Sorry not accepatable so crap
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 26.11.2011, 21:01
araqyl's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Zurich, West-side
Posts: 1,437
Groaned at 4 Times in 4 Posts
Thanked 597 Times in 339 Posts
araqyl has a reputation beyond reputearaqyl has a reputation beyond reputearaqyl has a reputation beyond reputearaqyl has a reputation beyond repute
Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

As others have said, it depends on the contract notice period - and it is normal to train your replacement if you quit or are sacked, but not made redundant.

If I was in that situation I'd feel like crap, but would not take it out on the replacement - unless he somehow forced the company to sack you, it's not his fault! I would, however, be painfully honest about office politics, if they were the reason you're on the way out ... but don't volunteer stuff, wait until the replacement asks. Otherwise you just sound bitter and vindictive ...
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank araqyl for this useful post:
  #12  
Old 26.11.2011, 21:10
Longbyt's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: ZH
Posts: 5,814
Groaned at 34 Times in 33 Posts
Thanked 6,717 Times in 2,739 Posts
Longbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond repute
Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

Quote:
View Post
I know this is not right being from england it,s not humane i feel so sorry for the guy who has to endure this what can they do
As this presumably didn't directly involve the OP, it is impossible for him, let alone us, to know what actually happened and why. It sounds extremely rough on the guy concerned but there may be another side to this story which could explain, at least in part, a very unusual situation.

The firm would be taking quite a risk asking someone they are treating badly to teach the new worker his job. If he is unsuitable for the job, it will be the blind teaching the blind. If he doesn't get on well with the others in the team, he now has a fantastic chance to further ruin relations within the firm. I just wonder...
__________________
Longbyt

If you need to contact a Moderator, please click here.

Last edited by Longbyt; 26.11.2011 at 21:44.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 26.11.2011, 21:17
mojado's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Basel
Posts: 392
Groaned at 10 Times in 7 Posts
Thanked 396 Times in 166 Posts
mojado has an excellent reputationmojado has an excellent reputationmojado has an excellent reputationmojado has an excellent reputation
Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

There are situations where it would be acceptable. For instance, the company is downsizing and somebody (internal) has got to do your job. And you have to do it because of that "Arbeitszeugnis" (Work Certificate) that your future employers will require from you.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank mojado for this useful post:
  #14  
Old 26.11.2011, 21:24
stephen_NE's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Baar
Posts: 739
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 606 Times in 297 Posts
stephen_NE has an excellent reputationstephen_NE has an excellent reputationstephen_NE has an excellent reputationstephen_NE has an excellent reputation
Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

Although the firm's behaviour may be on very shaky ethical ground, I would say that it's in your interest to be professional to the last day, train your successor to the best of your ability and walk out with a good work certificate at the end.

Industries are small worlds, you never know when in the future you might come across someone who remembers how professional and dignified you were during your month's notice period and will do you a good turn because of it. People who storm out of a company and slam the door behind them often regret it a few years later.
Reply With Quote
The following 12 users would like to thank stephen_NE for this useful post:
  #15  
Old 26.11.2011, 22:51
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 127
Groaned at 22 Times in 8 Posts
Thanked 79 Times in 35 Posts
UktoSwiss has made some interesting contributions
Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

Of course it is legal in Switzerland. Basically employees here have very little rights.
What is important however is to name and shame the company (after receiving an acceptable work certificate)
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 26.11.2011, 22:56
Caviarchips's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Thun
Posts: 2,137
Groaned at 31 Times in 22 Posts
Thanked 2,732 Times in 971 Posts
Caviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond repute
Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

This must be "made redundant"....notice periods don't apply for "sacking" or dismissal. Also, if somebody was sacked, I assume it means they wouldn't be a good trainer

So therefore, in your notice period, you should continue to do the job to the best of your ability (or you might get sacked!) and if that involves training.....you should do that too
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Caviarchips for this useful post:
  #17  
Old 26.11.2011, 23:06
araqyl's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Zurich, West-side
Posts: 1,437
Groaned at 4 Times in 4 Posts
Thanked 597 Times in 339 Posts
araqyl has a reputation beyond reputearaqyl has a reputation beyond reputearaqyl has a reputation beyond reputearaqyl has a reputation beyond repute
Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

Quote:
View Post
This must be "made redundant"....notice periods don't apply for "sacking" or dismissal. Also, if somebody was sacked, I assume it means they wouldn't be a good trainer

So therefore, in your notice period, you should continue to do the job to the best of your ability (or you might get sacked!) and if that involves training.....you should do that too
Being made redundant means that your position no longer exists, which means there would be no replacement ...
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 26.11.2011, 23:09
Longbyt's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: ZH
Posts: 5,814
Groaned at 34 Times in 33 Posts
Thanked 6,717 Times in 2,739 Posts
Longbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond repute
Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

Maybe a guy who already works for the firm will be doing his original job and part of the other guy's job too. Wouldn't be the first time.

However, as I said before, the whole situtation is unclear as it doesn't look as if this actually happened to the OP but to a mate of his.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 26.11.2011, 23:09
Caviarchips's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Thun
Posts: 2,137
Groaned at 31 Times in 22 Posts
Thanked 2,732 Times in 971 Posts
Caviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond repute
Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

Quote:
View Post
Being made redundant means that your position no longer exists, which means there would be no replacement ...
Not quite true. It means that the role as its currently scoped or located or paid may not exist, but the tasks will in most cases remain
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 26.11.2011, 23:46
Corbets's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Zug, CH
Posts: 1,224
Groaned at 36 Times in 32 Posts
Thanked 1,429 Times in 583 Posts
Corbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond repute
Re: So if someone who s your boss says sosacked but can you stay on for a month

Quote:
View Post
This must be "made redundant"....notice periods don't apply for "sacking" or dismissal. Also, if somebody was sacked, I assume it means they wouldn't be a good trainer

So therefore, in your notice period, you should continue to do the job to the best of your ability (or you might get sacked!) and if that involves training.....you should do that too
No - unless sacked has a different meaning in your version of English (I don't know the intricacies of Brenglish) notice periods certainly still apply. If you're being sacked/fired for gross misconduct, there's usually an escape clause, but a company can fire you for poor performance and still expect you to work your notice period.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank Corbets for this useful post:
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Pregnant lady, you can have my seat but your shopping can't reids Complaints corner 89 15.01.2012 10:22
When can you first greet someone and offer your hand? Sbrinz Daily life 0 24.10.2011 14:48
How long can you stay after your L permit has expired? Jejejeah Permits/visas/government 18 08.03.2010 12:54
Can your boss force you to take vacation in a specific period? john_semour Employment 11 11.02.2010 16:23
How long can you stay out of CH if you have a student visa? maxluga Permits/visas/government 0 08.01.2010 19:35


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 12:34.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0