No german, no work - Page 5

Kittster · #81 18.01.2012, 23:49

	Quote:	ARC_VD
	However... Billag? You can do without TV! no billag for me, and all those insurances? not really mandatory I think (except for the flat), I mean, it's nice to have them but if you don't have money... as for the health insurance, here's a tip for my spanish friend: As in most EU countries, you can get a spanish social-security sponsored EU-health card that fully covers you in case of having an accident or whatever around the EU and it's totally free... CH is not in the EU yet it does accept the agreement, so you basically can get the expensive health insurance for free in here, you just need to present the card to the commune authorities when they ask for it and that's it, in my case I am free from that burden until 2014 which is when the card expires, it doesn't really matter whether you've paid taxes in Spain or not as one of your parents can cover you (he or she does have to work, though), and basically you have the fantastic coverage of the spanish state behind you.

You have a computer, right? Then you automatically have a TV. You still have to pay Billag.

As for your insurance scheme, while I'm sure it's useful, I'm pretty sure the Spanish state is THRILLED to have its already empty coffers used to cover people who are not actually paying taxes to them AND will be getting treatments in a country where medical care is eye-wateringly expensive. My health insurance is about 15% of my monthly salary. I still pay it and go without other things. If I can do it, so can you.

Confloozed · #82 18.01.2012, 23:51

	Quote:	ARC_VD
	Thanks quinn, nice real post in there, it's been exactly like that to me too, I mean improving the language, getting a job through a friend who knows a friend... However... Billag? You can do without TV! no billag for me, and all those insurances? not really mandatory I think (except for the flat), I mean, it's nice to have them but if you don't have money... as for the health insurance, here's a tip for my spanish friend: As in most EU countries, you can get a spanish social-security sponsored EU-health card that fully covers you in case of having an accident or whatever around the EU and it's totally free... CH is not in the EU yet it does accept the agreement, so you basically can get the expensive health insurance for free in here, you just need to present the card to the commune authorities when they ask for it and that's it, in my case I am free from that burden until 2014 which is when the card expires, it doesn't really matter whether you've paid taxes in Spain or not as one of your parents can cover you (he or she does have to work, though), and basically you have the fantastic coverage of the spanish state behind you.

Nice to have them? The Health insurance is mandatory, trust me.

ARC_VD · #83 19.01.2012, 00:02

	Quote:	Kittster
	As for your insurance scheme, while I'm sure it's useful, I'm pretty sure the Spanish state is THRILLED to have its already empty coffers used to cover people who are not actually paying taxes to them AND will be getting treatments in a country where medical care is eye-wateringly expensive. My health insurance is about 15% of my monthly salary. I still pay it and go without other things. If I can do it, so can you.

Ehm? it's not a scam or a trick or anything, it's a health insurance ruled by EU laws with this particular purpose, bare in mind that Switzerland is the only country I know of in the EU+EFTA that forces you to pay a monthly private insurance, otherwise you probably wouldn't give a damn about it but the principle is the same, i.e. to encourage workers mobility around the EU. Anyway this is a right taxpayers have acquired, why shouldn't I use it just because some incompetent politicians have wasted money somewhere else? Specially me, who's paid taxes there and never ever got a single grant or medical treatment (fortunately) or basically any transference of resources but education.

	Quote:	Confloozed
	Nice to have them? The Health insurance is mandatory, trust me.

I know, but as I said, not necessarily for other european union students.

st2lemans · #84 19.01.2012, 01:04

	Quote:	Confloozed
	you should just return to your home country, save up the proper money to take on the basic living expenses(apartment, health insurance, public transport halbstax, food, the flurry of taxes), and return when you can afford to live in Switzerland.

He is a Swiss citizen, i.e. CH IS his home country from the Swiss point of view.

Which part didn't you get?

Tom

st2lemans · #85 19.01.2012, 01:09

	Quote:	coconut
	This is switzerland, everything is controled. Everytime a family member visits me I have to let my verwaltung know someone is staying with me for more than 1 month.

No, that is NOT Switzerland, it's your personal part of Switzerland, no such nonsense
around here!

Tom

Confloozed · #86 19.01.2012, 01:38

	Quote:	st2lemans
	He is a Swiss citizen, i.e. CH IS his home country from the Swiss point of view. Which part didn't you get? Tom

Well you didn't know what I meant? Apparently he did not grown up here. His base is in Spain. I am sure he is registered in Spain, and that makes Spain his home country. Home=where your last residence is. You know for taxes, census counts, etc. Do you think he has been paying taxes to Switzerland all this time?
He isn't a Swiss citizen either, he is a Swiss passport holder. When he gets registered you can be right, and I'll aquiesce to you.

el_nota · #87 19.01.2012, 05:34

	Quote:	Confloozed
	Sorry, you came off like you were in some dire straights and needed help from the government. I didn't know you could afford so easily a cell. Of which, you would again need proof of residency to get one. But since you aren't registered... I used the payphone when I didn't have the money. I suppose your idea of basic human necessities are higher then mine...I mean if the government will support you to live, spare no expense.

I did not say I could afford it, that was why I wrote that smiley

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miniMia · #88 19.01.2012, 07:08

	Quote:	Confloozed
	Well you didn't know what I meant? Apparently he did not grown up here. His base is in Spain. I am sure he is registered in Spain, and that makes Spain his home country. Home=where your last residence is. You know for taxes, census counts, etc. Do you think he has been paying taxes to Switzerland all this time? He isn't a Swiss citizen either, he is a Swiss passport holder. When he gets registered you can be right, and I'll aquiesce to you.

Huh? A Swiss passport holder IS a Swiss citizen. It doesn't matter where he grew up or where he paid his taxes, or even IF he paid any taxes at all ever. It seems people are missing that point. As Tom said this IS his home country.

	Quote:	Coconut
	He still need to prove it with the rent contract, I dont think he has a valid reason to ask the family for it

Nope. a Swiss citizen which the OP IS doesn't need a rental contact or any proof of address to register at the commune. You where the one in your story who required proof of domicile when you registered as it is required when foreigners apply for a permit.

What IS required is his 'act d'orgine' which he will need to ask for at his 'commune d'origine' if he doesn't have one. But he still we be registered while they wait on this paper.

el_nota · #89 19.01.2012, 07:17

	Quote:	Kamarate
	Why the groan, el_nota? I gave you useful advice, and the comment above was intended for KF, not you.

I think you did not help in any way with that comment being sarcastic.

Kamarate · #90 19.01.2012, 07:34

But no thanks for the post that was actually useful? You know, there's a button right next to the groan button...

EDIT: You didn't actually answer my original question to you. Is it absolutely necessary that you go to the German part? As a Spanish speaker, French or Italian would be easier for you to learn.

st2lemans · #91 19.01.2012, 08:21

	Quote:	Confloozed
	He isn't a Swiss citizen either, he is a Swiss passport holder.

To have a Swiss passport, one MUST be a Swiss citizen!

Tom

Confloozed · #92 19.01.2012, 11:22

	Quote:	st2lemans
	To have a Swiss passport, one MUST be a Swiss citizen! Tom

So, one say, who has never lived here before, could apply for a Swiss passport due to one of their parents' being Swiss, and therefore that exacts them as a citizen of Switzerland?

KeinFranzösisch · #93 19.01.2012, 11:36

	Quote:	Confloozed
	So, one say, who has never lived here before, could apply for a Swiss passport due to one of their parents' being Swiss, and therefore that exacts them as a citizen of Switzerland?

Yes. It's called "jus sanguinis". Look it up on Wikipedia. And then there's also this.

Seriously. Why is it so hard to comprehend?

el_nota · #94 19.01.2012, 12:38

	Quote:	Kamarate
	But no thanks for the post that was actually useful? You know, there's a button right next to the groan button... EDIT: You didn't actually answer my original question to you. Is it absolutely necessary that you go to the German part? As a Spanish speaker, French or Italian would be easier for you to learn.

Yes, I know it would be easier, but I rather speak German

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Kamarate · #95 19.01.2012, 12:46

Is it a personal challenge? Good on you, if so. It's very brave... not sure I'd like to take up the same challenge myself!

ARC_VD · #96 19.01.2012, 13:08

I don't know why there's so much talk about him having the swiss citizenship or not, does that make a huge difference? maybe for applying for govn't aid, but if he just wants to earn his money and learn the language then it doesn't really matter, as an EC/EFTA citizen you first find the job then apply yourself for the B permit and automatically get it without the company being involved in any step of the process, there's even a special temporary permit for people coming here just to look for a job, you just need to give proof that you have enough money to survive, but that's more longer term thing, I don't exactly remember the maximum time, but somewhere in between 1 and 3 months you don't even need to register yourself in the contrôle des habitants and it's totally legal to look for a job during that time. If you come as a student (like me) it's even easier because you directly get the normal working B permit with unlimited work hours.

KeinFranzösisch · #97 19.01.2012, 13:11

	Quote:	ARC_VD
	I don't know why there's so much talk about him having the swiss citizenship or not, does that make a huge difference?

/facepalm

	Quote:	ARC_VD
	as an EC/EFTA citizen you first find the job then apply yourself for the B permit and automatically get it...

Citizens don't apply for permits!!! That's why there's so much talk about him being a citizen.

el_nota · #98 19.01.2012, 13:18

	Quote:	Kamarate
	Is it a personal challenge? Good on you, if so. It's very brave... not sure I'd like to take up the same challenge myself!

My family come from a German speaking canton, also I suppose you don't believe me but I want to work as fast as possible, German is the best language to do so, from my point of view.

ARC_VD · #99 19.01.2012, 14:54

	Quote:	KeinFranzösisch
	/facepalm Citizens don't apply for permits!!! That's why there's so much talk about him being a citizen.

Did you read what I said? Permit for me and for him too given that he's spaniard was a simple bureaucratic thing that took me 5 minutes in the bureau and then wait 1 month to receive it in the post apart from paying a small fee.

	Quote:	el_nota
	My family come from a German speaking canton, also I suppose you don't believe me but I want to work as fast as possible, German is the best language to do so, from my point of view.

Not necessarily, as I told you the french-speaking side of the country is growing slightly faster and creating more jobs than the german part, so it could be easier (which does not mean easy in absolute terms) to get a job in here. Add to that the fact that you'd need 4 months to speak a reasonably good french instead of 9 months for german and time-wise it clearly might make more sense to learn french. Of course if there's a personal reason behind your choice that's a different matter. Are you looking to settle in a specific german-speaking canton? Because that might make a difference too, personally I wouldn't ever live in a place like Aargau, Olten or such cities compared to Lausanne, Genève, Neuchâtel etc.

el_nota · #**100** 19.01.2012, 15:20

	Quote:	ARC_VD
	Did you read what I said? Permit for me and for him too given that he's spaniard was a simple bureaucratic thing that took me 5 minutes in the bureau and then wait 1 month to receive it in the post apart from paying a small fee. Not necessarily, as I told you the french-speaking side of the country is growing slightly faster and creating more jobs than the german part, so it could be easier (which does not mean easy in absolute terms) to get a job in here. Add to that the fact that you'd need 4 months to speak a reasonably good french instead of 9 months for german and time-wise it clearly might make more sense to learn french. Of course if there's a personal reason behind your choice that's a different matter. Are you looking to settle in a specific german-speaking canton? Because that might make a difference too, personally I wouldn't ever live in a place like Aargau, Olten or such cities compared to Lausanne, Genève, Neuchâtel etc.

Well, that depend on the person, I won't live on Aarau, but there are others like Zurich or Bern that are quite attractive to me. Also I lived in Laussanne for one month in 2008. Also I like Germany, Austria... more than France, Luxemburg, Monaco...