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What would be the pro's and con's and possible issues of working here at Switzerland and living elsewhere? To be specific, I am on C permit with a somewhat flexible job

i am thinking of working 4 days here and spending 3 days in non-EU country, with family spending most of the year over there
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Re: work in CH, live elsewhere

If you spend 4 days here & working here then your living here end of story. Where you go Friday, Saturday & Sunday night is up to you. I know many people who have a secondary residence in France or Italy.

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Hello All

What would be the pro's and con's and possible issues of working here at Switzerland and living elsewhere? To be specific, I am on C permit with a somewhat flexible job

i am thinking of working 4 days here and spending 3 days in non-EU country, with family spending most of the year over there
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Re: work in CH, live elsewhere

France or Italy are not non EU. Sorry but I do not understand your question either. How far would you go for 3 days a week in NON EU and at what cost?
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Old 22.01.2012, 21:46
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If you spend 4 days here & working here then your living here end of story. Where you go Friday, Saturday & Sunday night is up to you.
http://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home/...willigung.html states that "Cross-border commuters must return to their main place of residence abroad at least once a week" and they are then not considered residents of Switzerland. If you are non-EU (and not from Liechtenstein, I would guess) then I'm not sure if what you are planning is possible.
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France or Italy are not non EU. Sorry but I do not understand your question either. How far would you go for 3 days a week in NON EU and at what cost?
the idea is to have the family living in non-EU, me working here and commuting back and forth.

the cost balance is favorable even if i include 10000 CHF or so for 40+ round trips per year, but i guess i will have to have a permanent address in CH
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Re: work in CH, live elsewhere

In case you do not care about keeping your C permit - for tax purposes, you could qualify as an international commuter /international weekday resident - but you will loose your C permit, since your domicile will be considered abroad.

As such, you will be taxed at source, and you will also be able to claim correction of the withholding tax, including 1)traveling expenses CH-abroad-CH (you will need to spend at least two weekends abroad to qualify) and 2) rental costs in CH.
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Old 22.01.2012, 23:14
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the idea is to have the family living in non-EU, me working here and commuting back and forth.

the cost balance is favorable even if i include 10000 CHF or so for 40+ round trips per year, but i guess i will have to have a permanent address in CH
I don't think it matters if you have a perm address in Switzerland. Beyond a certain number of days you are no longer a resident of Switzerland and thus not eligible to keep your permit. You need to find out how many days that is. ((If I had to guess I would say 183))

The other thing you can do (perhaps) is suspend your C permit for up to 4 years with approval from your commune.
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Re: work in CH, live elsewhere

How can I get the ststus of weekdaz worker with non-EU passport?
Do I have to spend literallz every weekend in order to qualify?
How can I claim all these costs?


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In case you do not care about keeping your C permit - for tax purposes, you could qualify as an international commuter /international weekday resident - but you will loose your C permit, since your domicile will be considered abroad.

As such, you will be taxed at source, and you will also be able to claim correction of the withholding tax, including 1)traveling expenses CH-abroad-CH (you will need to spend at least two weekends abroad to qualify) and 2) rental costs in CH.
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How can I get the ststus of weekdaz worker with non-EU passport?
Do I have to spend literallz every weekend in order to qualify?
How can I claim all these costs?
vlad - what is your ultimate goal? I'm confused and it might be easier to offer solutions if we had an idea of what you really want...

Your other threads:
Working from Swiss Company from abroad

Non-EU with B can live abroad (e.g. Germany)?

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Old 07.06.2015, 23:57
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Re: work in CH, live elsewhere

I have 2 questions under 2 scenarios:
- If I commute weekly to non-EU country from CH, how can I claim expenses such as rent or flights ? currently I have a B permit and taxed at source.
- Can I work for a Swiss companz from abroad (question is as per my other thread)?

Thanks very much.


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vlad - what is your ultimate goal? I'm confused and it might be easier to offer solutions if we had an idea of what you really want...

Your other threads:
Working from Swiss Company from abroad

Non-EU with B can live abroad (e.g. Germany)?

New Company
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the idea is to have the family living in non-EU, me working here and commuting back and forth.

the cost balance is favorable even if i include 10000 CHF or so for 40+ round trips per year, but i guess i will have to have a permanent address in CH
The money is just one part of the process, it is EXTREMELY tiring commuting like this on a regular basis, as you say " family living in non EU" it tends to imply airplanes which are not always so reliable.

You may spend 3 days at home, but with travel and tiredness this are quickly reduced to not much, both for family and employer
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Re: work in CH, live elsewhere

Understand that unless your Swiss company sends you abroad to work, you cannot do anything you're suggesting. If they send you on assignment to work in a non-EU company for a few years, but you expect to return to Switzerland eventually, then you can ask your commune/gemeinde to put your Swiss permit on hold for up to 4 years.

If you're talking about moving out of Switzerland permanently, but still working for the company remotely that could be possible. However, you would lose your Swiss permit and would not be commuting. Remotely means just that - not in Switzerland, but in whatever country you're based in. Yes you may need to travel to Switzerland occasionally for business meeting and such like, but you could not do a weekly commute from a non-EU country for work purposes because you wouldn't have a Swiss permit that allows you to do so.

You wouldn't qualify for a cross-border permit as you wouldn't be living in one of the border zones obviously. These are only in the EU countries surrounding Switzerland.
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Re: work in CH, live elsewhere

I think it is right but if you stay in CH during the week and commute only during weekends to nonEU country it should be fine. As long as the 183 days rule holds.






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Understand that unless your Swiss company sends you abroad to work, you cannot do anything you're suggesting. If they send you on assignment to work in a non-EU company for a few years, but you expect to return to Switzerland eventually, then you can ask your commune/gemeinde to put your Swiss permit on hold for up to 4 years.

If you're talking about moving out of Switzerland permanently, but still working for the company remotely that could be possible. However, you would lose your Swiss permit and would not be commuting. Remotely means just that - not in Switzerland, but in whatever country you're based in. Yes you may need to travel to Switzerland occasionally for business meeting and such like, but you could not do a weekly commute from a non-EU country for work purposes because you wouldn't have a Swiss permit that allows you to do so.

You wouldn't qualify for a cross-border permit as you wouldn't be living in one of the border zones obviously. These are only in the EU countries surrounding Switzerland.
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I have 2 questions under 2 scenarios:
- If I commute weekly to non-EU country from CH, how can I claim expenses such as rent or flights ? currently I have a B permit and taxed at source.
Thanks very much.
If you have a B or C permit, you cannot claim the expenses for these flights. That is only/maybe possible if you have a G permit. You either have the tax advantage of a L/B/C or the advantages of claiming home travel, not both. At least this is my experience from discussions with the tax authorities.

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I think it is right but if you stay in CH during the week and commute only during weekends to nonEU country it should be fine. As long as the 183 days rule holds.
The 183 days rule is a rule of thumb, other factors play a role as well so do not rely on this only. If your main point of living is to be considered outside of Switzerland by the tax authorities, even if you stay 183 days here it can be that they will tax you in another country.

Again this was the information from the tax authorities in CH and SH.
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I think it is right but if you stay in CH during the week and commute only during weekends to nonEU country it should be fine. As long as the 183 days rule holds.
No, it doesn't because you'd need to apply for a G (cross border) permit and you won't get one. To do what you want to do would not entitle you to continue holding a B permit.
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Re: work in CH, live elsewhere

I beg to differ. You will applz for a standard B permit, and you will live in Zurich like anzone else apart from the weekend commute.


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No, it doesn't because you'd need to apply for a G (cross border) permit and you won't get one. To do what you want to do would not entitle you to continue holding a B permit.
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Re: work in CH, live elsewhere

I agree this is a rule of thumb. However their tactic is somewhat defensive. They would not care me paying taxes to them as long as I live in CH most of the time, rent here an apartment, hold a B permit, emplozed for a Swiss company.


This is the expereince of quite a few expats that I know.




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If you have a B or C permit, you cannot claim the expenses for these flights. That is only/maybe possible if you have a G permit. You either have the tax advantage of a L/B/C or the advantages of claiming home travel, not both. At least this is my experience from discussions with the tax authorities.



The 183 days rule is a rule of thumb, other factors play a role as well so do not rely on this only. If your main point of living is to be considered outside of Switzerland by the tax authorities, even if you stay 183 days here it can be that they will tax you in another country.

Again this was the information from the tax authorities in CH and SH.
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I agree this is a rule of thumb. However their tactic is somewhat defensive. They would not care me paying taxes to them as long as I live in CH most of the time, rent here an apartment, hold a B permit, emplozed for a Swiss company.


This is the expereince of quite a few expats that I know.
But your question was whether you could claim the cost for the flights home. No, you cannot. Not with a B permit.
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