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today I got an offer to work in Switserland, near Bern. I am Dutch and currently living in London. I wasn't really looking for jobs in Switzerland, but today I got this call and email to work for a company. The salary they offer is 57K. As I have no idea of how costs are or how much tax you pay, I am wondering if this salary is enough to live with together with my partner. Everywhere I hear Switzerland is really expensive. Can I make a living of it, a good living? My partner is Italian and will of course eventually also be looking for a job.

Your advice is much appreciated.
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today I got an offer to work in Switserland, near Bern. I am Dutch and currently living in London. I wasn't really looking for jobs in Switzerland, but today I got this call and email to work for a company. The salary they offer is 57K. As I have no idea of how costs are or how much tax you pay, I am wondering if this salary is enough to live with together with my partner. Everywhere I hear Switzerland is really expensive. Can I make a living of it, a good living? My partner is Italian and will of course eventually also be looking for a job.

Your advice is much appreciated.
ABout 65000 chf per year. Yes, that is enough to live on. BUT, it depends on what your personal needs and comfort level is. If your partner also works for a similar amount, you will be more comfortable.

If you give us an idea of what sort of work you are doing, it will be easy for some Ef folk to be able to tell you if it is an okay salary for the job.
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ABout 65000 chf per year. Yes, that is enough to live on. BUT, it depends on what your personal needs and comfort level is. If your partner also works for a similar amount, you will be more comfortable.

If you give us an idea of what sort of work you are doing, it will be easy for some Ef folk to be able to tell you if it is an okay salary for the job.
thanks for your quick reply. The offer is for a pharmaceutical company and the job title is Accounts Payable Accountant. It's close to Bern, I do not have exact specifics yet, tomorrow I have a meeting over the phone. I am wondering if the salary will be enough in the beginning to live from with two persons. I do have savings but I prefer to not touch it. I do not live an extravagant life, but I do like to travel, go out to eat a lot and perhaps I need to drive a car as well.
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today I got an offer to work in Switserland, near Bern. I am Dutch and currently living in London. I wasn't really looking for jobs in Switzerland, but today I got this call and email to work for a company. The salary they offer is 57K. As I have no idea of how costs are or how much tax you pay, I am wondering if this salary is enough to live with together with my partner. Everywhere I hear Switzerland is really expensive. Can I make a living of it, a good living? My partner is Italian and will of course eventually also be looking for a job.

Your advice is much appreciated.
In real terms thats like a salary in London of 28k, it's nothing special just above average earnings. Probably not enough to move for.
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Re: enough salary?

On an average you will have to invest around 5 to 8 K for settling here. Rent and other expenses if you have your partner would be around 2.5 to 3K. A lot surely depends on the lifestyle also. In that sense, you might still have enough for leisure over weekend - but if you of course would like to save enough, I suggest you ask for a better offer.

With the EUR to CHF exchange rate, the salary isn't quite good. Last year before EUR went down - it would had been around 75 K or even more and would had been much better.
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Re: enough salary?

57K euro or 65K francs is kind of low for any job here in Switzerland. Unless, that is, that you work in retails.
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In real terms thats like a salary in London of 28k, it's nothing special just above average earnings. Probably not enough to move for.
That's about right indeed, my salary in London is 30K. It's already not a major amount, my partner earns about the same
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Re: enough salary?

CHF 65k for an AP accountant is on the very low end - this would be more of a trainee salary. Check the Michael Page Finance salaries report; they give a good indication of what you should expect. Personally I'd say for anything less than 80k you'd be better off in London if you enjoy going out a lot. Surely for 65k you would not be able to support your partner and a car. Send me a PM if you need detailed info (Ik spreek Nederlands).
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Re: enough salary?

Hello

If your ambition in life is to survive you would probably succeed with 57K Euro in Switzerland. However if you wish to enjoy life, that is owning a car / house, go out in restaurants and save a bit, it will be difficult.

Incidentally the currency here is the Swiss francs, not the euro. I would avoid the company if they pay you in Euro, because this would be purely to pay you less (because the Euro is so low).

I would say the "right" salary would depend on your exact qualifications, experience, age and (sadly) gender, but I would personally not accept anything below 85K CHF (whatever it is in Euro...) and negotiate a relocation package (if they absolutely need someone from abroad then they have to pay for it).

All this said Bern is a beautiful city / area with lots to visit. If you have children or plan to it is a good bet for Switzerland, better than Geneva or Zurich.

Both pharma companies Crucell and CSL Behring are developing quite well so we can expect safe employment for some years (although you are never sure of anything especially here where labour laws are very much biased towards the needs of employers).

Good luck !
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On an average you will have to invest around 5 to 8 K for settling here. Rent and other expenses if you have your partner would be around 2.5 to 3K. A lot surely depends on the lifestyle also. In that sense, you might still have enough for leisure over weekend - but if you of course would like to save enough, I suggest you ask for a better offer.

With the EUR to CHF exchange rate, the salary isn't quite good. Last year before EUR went down - it would had been around 75 K or even more and would had been much better.
Thanks! that is really helpful!
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Re: enough salary?

Thanks everyone, I really appreciate your quick responses, it is really helpful.
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Re: enough salary?

you should google Michael Page Switzerland Salary Survey.

There's a 2009/10 survey. Average salaries for Accounts Payable appears to be 91,000 CHF.
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Re: enough salary?

At the "normal/historical" exchange rate of 1.5 then yes, this is the correct salary. At the current rate of 1.2 this is too low. Tell them you expect CHF85K.

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That's about right indeed, my salary in London is 30K. It's already not a major amount, my partner earns about the same
If you are dinky's in London with a combined income of 60k, moving here on CHF 68k will hurt, as you will be taking a big income hit. It is possible to live on the salary offered, although I'm not really up to speed on Bern rental prices. Seems to me, unless I read it wrong you income is going to almost halve, and you expenses rise dramatically, so there won't be too much surplus... until your girlfriend get a job.

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If you are dinky's in London with a combined income of 60k, moving here on CHF 75k will hurt, as you will be taking a big income hit. It is possible to live on the salary offered, although I'm not really up to speed on Bern rental prices. Seems to me, unless I read it wrong you income is going to almost halve, and you expenses rise dramatically, so there won't be too much surplus... until your girlfriend get a job.
Having been working over here for a number of years now, and having been EKS in the UK and then here before I first went permie, It's difficult to make a valid comparison, but UKP60,000 still sounds to me like a decent salary, whereas chf75,000 is more in "how could anyone live on so little" territory.

I suppose I shouldn't still think of the 2.4 chf/ukp exchange rate that I first encountered, but I do still think of around two to one as a more natural rate, once you factor in all the various costs of living and stuff, so I'd suggest that a 60k UK salary should translate to at least 120k chuffs.

OH no! Have I really just said it's not possible to live on less than 120k per year?

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today I got an offer to work in Switserland, near Bern. I am Dutch and currently living in London. I wasn't really looking for jobs in Switzerland, but today I got this call and email to work for a company. The salary they offer is 57K. As I have no idea of how costs are or how much tax you pay, I am wondering if this salary is enough to live with together with my partner. Everywhere I hear Switzerland is really expensive. Can I make a living of it, a good living? My partner is Italian and will of course eventually also be looking for a job.

Your advice is much appreciated.

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57K is simply not enough to have a decent life in Switzerland, calculate your tax around 25%.

Add health insurance, 300 per month.

Add transportation, around 100 per month.

1 kilo of chicken is around 30 CHF, a McDonalds menu is around 15 CHF, etc, etc.

All Switzerland is a lot more expensive than London city, and, weather is not much better :-(
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57K is simply not enough to have a decent life in Switzerland, calculate your tax around 25%.

Add health insurance, 300 per month.

Add transportation, around 100 per month.

1 kilo of chicken is around 30 CHF, a McDonalds menu is around 15 CHF, etc, etc.

All Switzerland is a lot more expensive than London city, and, weather is not much better :-(
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today I got an offer to work in Switserland, near Bern. I am Dutch and currently living in London. I wasn't really looking for jobs in Switzerland, but today I got this call and email to work for a company. The salary they offer is €57K. As I have no idea of how costs are or how much tax you pay, I am wondering if this salary is enough to live with together with my partner. Everywhere I hear Switzerland is really expensive. Can I make a living of it, a good living? My partner is Italian and will of course eventually also be looking for a job.

Your advice is much appreciated.
If you are a qualified accountant, and getting paid the same or less than a basic IT support worker, then something is very wrong.

The figure you should be looking at is probably between 90-120k depending on experience.
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Y'all know this is a thread is a resurrection from a year ago, right? OP made his choice a long time ago.
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