Why do people not understand that the English forum is not a job agency or a HR specialised in helping you get a job in Switzerland? After reading thousands of thread of people asking for advise about getting a job in Switzerland, I realised that if these people spend more time doing a research on English forum on what other have posted regarding job, they might realised a few things on working in Switzerland

1) You will not get a job as a non-German/French speaking if you do not have a B-permit or a EU passport
2) The so many people you see on the street only speaking English; they are i) sent by their company, ii) have a skills that required only English speaking (like financial and English teachers!) or MNC ( think Novatis)
3) Have been sent to Switzerland by a previous company and now with a B/C permit could basically get another job that they really enjoy
4) Trailing spouse lucky enough to get a B permit instead of a L permit
5) Married a Swiss or EU citizen
6) Have enough savings to bum around until they find a job (which does happen but rarely)

So if you DO NOT currently have a job in Switzerland, send your resume to headhunters in Switzerland FROM your home country until you find a job, then come over.. Please do not waste time on the forum asking for advise. Nobody here can give you a job. Period.

This rules apply the same in most part of the world, even your own home countries! So if your government are not handing out jobs to foreigners at the custom, why should Switzerland be different?

Wolfswinkie,

Chill, just stop reading the threads.

You seem to have a bad dose of Forum Fatigue. Get a breath of fresh air and go smell the flowers.

Get well soon.
xxx

Today's the day the local cows are moving up to higher grounds. A whole parade of them passed behind our house and I can now hearing the ringing of their bells.

Agree that people could do more research in general, but I am sure that people who are looking for a job are already scouring job sites, google, agencies, etc. and the EF is one additional place worth trying. You never know where you next job may come from - even the EF, perhaps.

I am more peeved about the thousands of people posting here asking for ways to cheat the system - like asking how to fraudulently get fired just to get RAV benefits, for example.

This only to say that we shouldn't judge anyone, because we never know the full story behind - I am sure that a few people have been able to find jobs because of contacts made on the EF (I know of one, at least).

Enjoy the sunny day!

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To a certain extend I can understand Wolfi. I stopped reading any of these threads long ago. It should be common sense that without speaking the language your job prospects in a country are close to zero, unless you become a toilet cleaner ( and there is nothing not honorable being one, by the way) or you were sent here by your company and you don't need any local language skills for your job.

The permit question can be a bit more complicated in certain cases, but again, I believe every possible variety has been discussed here. So I just ignore certain topics as I am sure my topics and discussions are ignored by other because they think they are too trivial. So live and let live.

My cleaning lady who comes to my house works also at the airport as a toilet cleaner and they have to speak basic German... So even as a cleaner, you need the basic

I just met someone the other day who works as a cleaner in private households and has been living here for 6 years. she could not sustain even a basic conversation in german, grüezi was just about all she understands.

say you have a permit to work here for familiar reasons and find a job where the language isn't needed. why on earth should the authorities stop you?

besides, the day I'm desperate for a job I will feel perfectly free to post here with my desperate question and please feel perfectly free to ignore it.

And the point is …
Of course you have to speak basic German as a cleaner. As a derivatives trader, hedge fund manager or a financial technology expert you need none.

Shouldn't this find rant be in complaints?

seems like a helpful tip to me!

I think that most new posters would probably conclude that these types of questions are proper and/or welcome given that the Employment subsection of the forum falls under the umbrella of "Help and Tips", and given also that there is a whole separate section of the forum titled "Jobs" for job advertisements.

To rephrase: Right now there is a starry-eyed young person in another country who is seeking a life in a foreign country. He has decided that Switzerland is the place he would like to go, and has found EF. Of course he is going to think that it is appropriate to ask questions about jobs there and if there are any English-only jobs available. And of course he is not going to grasp the concept of how complex it can be to secure a job here unless someone tells him or he does enough research himself. And we all know there are plenty of people who don't do enough research before posting their first post here, no?

I don't believe that people posting here are looking for jobs from us the forum members. Switzerland is a wonderful country full of opportunity that allows people to work in a multitude of work environments under 3 different languages depending on the geographical region. English is a well known language here and around the world, so naturally someone willing to work here would ask whether it is possible to work on English alone.

Back in Canada I dealt with people and families with the same issues as those posting on these boards for job advice. My city in the English part of Canada, no French at all. However, where I do live there is a large and sizable community of Ukranians, Chinese and Spanish speakers (from Central America). A growing number of jobs require people that speak fluently in one of the above languages, enough so that local people are complaining that they can't be employed because they only speak English. So I helped people find jobs and integrate with the local community. Often questions were directed as to what types of jobs people could get knowing only Spanish, and amazingly there are enough employers in my little town that I could typically find them something in their skill-set (IT, teaching etc).

So while it may sound funny to you that someone is coming into a country and asking about what kind of jobs they could do without the local language, to me that's a perfectly normal question. Plus, that all being said, I do now know enough folk who only speak English, who've managed to find employment part-time or otherwise with their lack of "local language abilities" (students/immigrants/etc).

This Forum is here to help people, as stated before "dont read the threads if they bother you that much", im sure you know how to scroll down the way on your computer??

I'm sure when you came here first and had plenty of question that people who have personally experienced the situation you are enquiring about were happy to answer you even thought they may have been asked a million times over by us "English Speaking Foreigners".

And just because you see loads of threads that with their title may look the same as the rest, does not mean that all questions are answered.

I myself posted such questions here on the forum and started threads and i am truly thankful to the kind and generous responses i received. I also managed to secure work through this forum.

So to all the newbie "English Speaking Foreigners" don't not post just incase you aggravate a grumpy OP, they were once in your shoes. Do what you need to get the answers to the questions you have. As we were all taught as children "if you dont ask, you'll never know!"

I'd also like to add that i have very basic German, just about enough to order a coffee and im doing just fine! And i wasnt brought over by a company, i came over with my boyfriend with little savings, we've done what we needed to do to make a life and we may still be working on it but all our question asking is paying off!

I don't think you should ever down somebody for asking questions on how to make their life better, everybody's path is different. We are all here on this forum to learn from and help eachother.

What goes around comes around, might not do you any harm at all to remember that!

Now go do something that makes you smile, its a gorgeous evening out there!

Thanks LilyLoo, I really appreciate your answer! Have a nice day!

The OP has a point. I often ask myself what professional background some of Newbies really have. One of the first things you are taught either at the University or an apprenticeship is research. One should think that in the age of the Internet that could be done relatively easy. But by reading some of the questions here, I doubt very much, that people even know where Switzerland is. Are they playing darts on the world map?

A point to ponder. What if they have no professional background? No uni qualification or apprenticeship. Are they then OK to ask non researched questions??
Some of us are lucky enough to move here because of meeting a swiss person.
It's a fun country, but even being able to communicate happily in german, after being here two years, being accepted for a job which requires written and spoken German fluency is a bugger. Much easier to be competent and professional in your own mother tongue.
If I had a job to offer and someone asked on EF I'd give them the opportunity just like I would anyone else applying. Who knows maybe they got suckerpunched by a stunning woman and ended up in a land with no sea!

At least they have an excuse. But the questions the OP is complaing about are not the ones a casserolier would ask.

And they didn't know that before coming?

AWWW sh*%. Think I'll just go back to bed.

is there a party for this that I'm missing? or only when they come down the hill?

any excuse to drink beer in broad daylight is always welcome.