I heard about these jobs, like working on a sky resort or butchering the cows etc..., maybe even a non-EU could access these. Do you know anything about? Perhaps you could put me thorough the right contact.

Totaly wrong, for a non EU the emplyoer needs to show that he cannot find a Swiss person nor an EU person, so it's highly skilled labour that has the best chance.

Read the forum, you'll find all the information you need !

So then of course the question is "where does one search, if one needs a job and is NOT *highly skilled*?"


Dear OP, I'm unsure where you'd find info on those sort of jobs, hopefully someone will be along with a helpful answer.

Meanwhile, I know there are plenty of expats who set up self-employ as cleaners, animal carers, man-with-a-van, and handy-men, as well as other things (which requires some outlay, but maybe doesn't leave you completely on your own) like Mary Kay and Tupperware consultants.

There is indeed quite a need for this kind of work - but if you are considering this route, I would urge you to set up legally.

For instance, from time to time I need help around the house. It doesn't make sense to take someone on as an employee for a day, a week, a month, so I look for someone self-employed. (And am prepared to pay accordingly.) I'd love to hire an expat who needs the work... but many who post here offering such services are working illegally - not set up correctly, not paying taxes, or not carrying the necessary insurance - which puts their customers at risk. I will not be party to breaking the law.

If you set yourself up legally, there are likely many more opportunities. Becoming legally self employed in Switzerland means one must jump through a number of bureaucratic hoops.

And of course, a non-EU person must already have a valid residence permit that allows self-employment. A permit to move to Switzerland will not be granted on that basis.

Not surprisingly in this land of bureaucracy, some of the jobs you mention require special education or certification. Animal care is one good example - our welfare laws are quite comprehensive, even such jobs as dog care require education courses. Certainly butchering is very strictly regulated; you MUST have the proper certifications and licenses.

But if you are interested in doing such work - why not pursue the proper certification or set-up?

In Switzerland most trades operate an apprenticeship scheme, these training courses run from about 2 to four years. At the end of the training the employee receives a certificate which is very valuable for future employment.

Butchering, cleaning, delivery, storeman, barman, are all recognised occupations requiring certain skills, and should not be looked down upon. As a foreigner you will always be at the end of the queue, not because you are not Swiss, but because you usually have not had a proper training. "Cleaning" that's easy! So how would you clean up five litres of spilt ammonia? Butchering a cow, by a beginner? You are not serious surely!

I was unemployed for many years and I was getting desparate. Then I saw a job advertised by the chemical toilet company Toi-Toi and I thought to myself, no, no, I really can't do that job. Years later I was watching one man alone unload 4 of these Toi-Toi toilets from his delivery truck (No crane or hoist!) and the gardener turned to me and said "And I thought I had a dirty job!"

I'd see oportunities in a hotel in a ski-resort: that would be as a help in the kitchen or cleaning. But theese jobs are more seasonal jobs.
Youth hostel could be another option.
Hospital?

Good luck

Guys, here the whole point is to be able to immigrate as non-EU. There must be a way out, someone sponsoring for a job by which he's not finding anyone, then yes, permit is granted to non-EU, this is what immigration office said me, it's realistic. The question has sense.
I can offer spanish and english fluency, intermediate German and experience in the massaging industry. There must be something for me to do.
(I am talking on behalf of someone else, just to make it simple).

They do not grant permit based on self-employ/like promises, second how do you set-up for certification if I cannot stay more than 3 months?
Where is the practicability of the solution you are trying to propose?
There are people willing to work here, they can't and looks like because of discrimination!

I'm confused - your profile says you are Italian, it's Saturday and I'm a bit under the weather, so my brain isn't all here... but isn't Italy part of EU?

Or you're asking this for someone else perhaps? (At which point, the "I can offer.." part of your last paragraph makes a different sort of sense)

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Mmmhmm. I read it, I quoted it, what you say there doesn't match your profile info, or if I try to make sense of it in a way that matches up to your profile, you're contradicting yourself.


You're Italian, no? You're wanting to sponsor someone in Switzerland who is not EU is the only way that makes sense (but doesn't seem to be what you've actually said).

You then say that YOU can offer Spanish and English fluency, and intermediate German, there must be something YOU can do... so, are we talking about YOU, or are you talking about "sponsoring" someone who is non-EU (and simply have your pronouns mixed)?

Marzullo, if the person is a non-EU citizen looking to immigrate, then I'm afraid he/she has very little chance.

The cold hard reality is that non-EU immigration is very difficult. The majority of Swiss today believe that 'the boat is full' and wish to see more and more restriction wherever possible - and Swiss politicians are listening, which means non-EU folks face higher and higher barriers. Any non-EU citizen wishing to immigrate to Switzerland has to have something Switzerland needs (skills or money), or be married to a Swiss or someone legally settled here, or possibly one could study in Switzerland (but that would be short term).

It's not discrimination - it's Realpolitik.

(My post was written thinking you were asking for you/someone already legally resident here. As my post said: no, a permit won't be granted for self employment in such cases.)

[QUOTE=Peg A;1670378]So then of course the question is "where does one search, if one needs a job and is NOT *highly skilled*?"/QUOTE]

The answer quite simply is they do not exisit for non EU persons and that is the reality. Of course there are exceptions but once again these are few ands far between.

Next time, please define the problem at the beginning. Why do we have to drag it out of people?

This website might have something, but getting a permit is difficult for the reasons already explained,

http://www.jobscout24.ch/de/jobs/Metzger

http://www.jobscout24.ch/de/jobs/Ski

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Forget for a moment the EU vs non-EU part of the equation - do you happen to know where to find such jobs anyhow? (I'm thinking that would at least be a good place to start)

I do not know where to find such jobs myself, except perhaps by worth-of-mouth within the community.

Try this place. They have fun, short-term jobs. However, like others have posted it will be difficult if you do not have the correct papers.

It is difficult, although I hardly believe it is impossible. In the end all they have to do is to say the immigration office that they could not find anyone else, that's it, I do not see it complicate.

i'm an non-eu and been looking for a job here for over two months. I do have experience over 6 years in accounting and i do have diploma from university of NY, but most places that i found a job they wouldn't hire me because of the the language(German) or i got rejected b.c i do not have L-permit.

All i can say is keep applying for position and maybe something would happen, but its very hard to land a job here.

Good luck,

If you're over 16 and able to carry a handbag in a provocative manner, the streets of Zürich are lined with cash, allegedly .....

Not quite true - I know of cases where the company was refused a permit for a non-EU applicant despite searching unsuccessfully for a CH/EU candidate for many months. The canton told the company to change the requirements so as to be able to hire CH/EU.

This would never have happend 10, even 5 years ago - but the times they are a-changin'.