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can i get my money back?

yeah,this is the title,but just a wish,at the moment..the thing is this: from last october I have a contract which is called"stundenlohn"(paid per hour) which means i get paid for the hours i work;although i get the workplan each week for the next one,that's how this contract works..now: the chef didn't know how many hours i would be working every month(you pay your taxes 10% according to the percentual of work you do,in stundenlohn,at least),so they waited a month in order to see how much i was needed(til November),then they assumed i was needed as a 50% worker,and sent this documentation to some Office which makes the monthly pays for the Stundenplohn Workers...since it all lead to now,i had yet to pay both october and november taxes from this last pay i just got some days ago(which is already heavy on a 50% pay as a helper)...what i didn't really understood is this:they got the percentual of work i do,why didn't they calculate the 10% on each of the previous months(so 10% october and 10% november) and did it"twice" on the gross pay of january(that i still have to get,after all) i mean:they calculate 10% on the gross pay of the next month for october,and then did it again for november,still on the gross pay which was already less than before because yet 10% less...i explain better cause this freaks me out: 2000(gross pay,no taxes already paid yet) - 10%= 200....then they still cal,culated the second 10% on 2000 chf which were not 2000 anymore,but 1800 instead!!result= 400 chf less(example,it was more) i don't understand this system and my question is this:is there any chance to get this thing recalculated and ,at least having to pay a bit per month and not all together? thanx for the attention
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Old 27.12.2012, 16:01
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Re: can i get my money back?

OK everybody, Festive competition.....anybody that makes it past line 6 without their head spinning and needing a glass of gluhwein gets a prize....
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Old 27.12.2012, 16:05
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OK everybody, Festive competition.....anybody that makes it past line 6 without their head spinning and needing a glass of gluhwein gets a prize....
I didn't manage to get to the sixth word...
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Trick competition. There's only one line. Wrapped.
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Old 27.12.2012, 16:09
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Re: can i get my money back?

Feeble males. I read it all. Didn't quite understand the contents though.
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OK everybody, Festive competition.....anybody that makes it past line 6 without their head spinning and needing a glass of gluhwein gets a prize....
That's exactly what i wanted after my chef explained this(in German,of course) to me as i complained about it
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Feeble males. I read it all. Didn't quite understand the contents though.
i'll try to make it easier to understand: you start working on october,right? you don't pay your monthly taxes til december(so october and november) cause your chef still needs to know how many hours you'll be needed per month,then they decide and tell this to those who make stundenlohn monthly pays,ok? the Gemeinde or whoever takes the monthly taxes calculate them for october and november on the pay of december,i guess it's called"gross pay"(any tax paid yet) so what you get is the"net pay"(all taxes paid,right?) i don't understand why they didn't calculated those taxes on the previous months instead of december,and why twice on the first gross pay(once you take the 10% out it will be less than before,right?) so,this way you get a 20% out of your pay in one time...is it clearer now? is it possible to speak to some office in order to get these taxes reclculated and maybe getting to pay them a bit per month?

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Old 27.12.2012, 16:21
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i'll try to make it easier to understand: you start working on october,right? you don't pay your monthly taxes til december(so october and november) cause your chef still needs to know how many hours you'll be needed per month,then they decide and tell this to those who make stundenlohn monthly pays,ok? the Gemeinde or whoever takes the monthly taxes calculate them for october and november on the pay of december,i guess it's called"gross pay"(any tax paid yet) so what you get is the"net pay"(all taxes paid,right?) i don't understand why they didn't calculated those taxes on the previous months instead of december,and why twice on the first gross pay(once you take the 10% out it will be less than before,right?) so,this way you get a 20% out of your pay in one time...is it clearer now? is it possible to speak to some office in order to get these taxes reclculated and maybe getting to pay them a bit per month?
At the end if October your chief will know the hours & can then deduct the correct tax ! Simple really
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Old 27.12.2012, 16:21
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Re: can i get my money back?

Be patient; eventually the tax authorities will work out the correct tax for you & you will get a refund - or a bill dependening if you paid too much or too little tax.

Here in Switzerland "eventually " can = 2 or 3 years

If you do get a refund then you will also get interest on the refund.
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Re: can i get my money back?

But will the tax office be able to provide a heavy dose of punctuation?
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At the end if October your chief will know the hours & can then deduct the correct tax ! Simple really
yeah,but i don0t understand why they didn't cxlaculated these taxes on october and november,and did it then twice on december,and twice on the first amount..this is not really so simple to understand,and at the end takes a lot of money out of a pay...
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But will the tax office be able to provide a heavy dose of punctuation?
Hope so.......
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yeah,but i don0t understand why they didn't cxlaculated these taxes on october and november,and did it then twice on december,and twice on the first amount..this is not really so simple to understand,and at the end takes a lot of money out of a pay...
It's called paperwork and takes time to work it's way through the system. The chef needed a couple of months to work out your hours, then he has to send that info to the tax office. December would be the first month that they had to take out the necessary tax because it's difficult to calculate tax on figures they don't yet have. Hard on you I know, but as marton says, they'll get everything sorted out and you'll have regular tax deductions in the near future.
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Re: can i get my money back?

The English language has two marvellous features.
Paragraphs and punctuation. Makes it a heck of a lot easier to understand the written word.
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Paragraphs and punctuation. Makes it a heck of a lot easier to understand the written word.
Spaces after commas being a very important part of it...
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It's called paperwork and takes time to work it's way through the system. The chef needed a couple of months to work out your hours, then he has to send that info to the tax office. December would be the first month that they had to take out the necessary tax because it's difficult to calculate tax on figures they don't yet have. Hard on you I know, but as marton says, they'll get everything sorted out and you'll have regular tax deductions in the near future.
Thanx very much..in this space of easy joking on one another's struggles,it's good to see someone still wants to help
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Old 27.12.2012, 23:17
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Re: can i get my money back?

Have you shown your salary slip to your boss, and asked him to explain the deductions? That would be my first step.
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Have you shown your salary slip to your boss, and asked him to explain the deductions? That would be my first step.
i did,yes,and she told me(in german,so basically i understood the 50% of it all) that this is like that because it's the first time and fro january it will monthly deducted the normal tax per month,and we got that understood..my question was: why did they deducted twice on the amounth of december what, in my opinion, was to be calculated on october and november, even if later...and , if this all fits like this, why deducting a 10% on the whole pay, and a second time on the previous amount(i know it's complicated, but it's just like this) which now is already less than before..in the end i simply got a big 20% less pay on december,that's it, and all migration amts are closed until january, sgrunt!
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Re: can i get my money back?

I would love to help you. I really would. But I don't understand what you are writing and their seems to be information missing.

Did you get paid the same amount all three months? Did they take out any taxes on the first two months?

Probably they took out too little in first two months and so are making the adjustment this month. Sadly this is normal and they will take out the extra without telling you, which can leave a bit of a problem if you have a very tight budget.

If you got paid more than normal, then you need to know that the rate is based on the current month. So getting paid more in a month or getting a bonus one month will mean higher taxes in that month.

But your boss seems to have explained it to you. Which part of what she said is confusing you?
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I would love to help you. I really would. But I don't understand what you are writing and their seems to be information missing.

Did you get paid the same amount all three months? Did they take out any taxes on the first two months?

Probably they took out too little in first two months and so are making the adjustment this month. Sadly this is normal and they will take out the extra without telling you, which can leave a bit of a problem if you have a very tight budget.

If you got paid more than normal, then you need to know that the rate is based on the current month. So getting paid more in a month or getting a bonus one month will mean higher taxes in that month.

But your boss seems to have explained it to you. Which part of what she said is confusing you?
i didn't understand why did they deduct both months on the pay of december(that is normal,not having paid taxes in those months,due to the chief having to check how many hours i would have been working per month) what it's confusing is: do i have to pay taxes for october and november,both in december? ok,you calculate 10% of the pay from october and 10% on the one of november,and you deduct those on the pay of december,or better you tell me i have to pay a bit per month in order to refund these missing taxes(which i didn't know i had not paid,that was chief's stuff)that would fit more,to me...what they did is simply take two times 10% on the pay of december,so that i got just a 20% less on the month i thought i worked the most,that is pissing me off...i know i'll have to go to the tax office to get some clarifications,that's in january, i just wanted to give a contribution in terms of troubles at work,and maybe get some infos from someone who's been there before me
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