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How long has it taken you to find a job?

Hi everyone,

I will be moving to Zurich shortly as my partner has been relocated over there. I will be handing in my notice in London and ideally would like to have something lined up for when I move or at least get an interview.

What are your experiences? How long on average does it take to find a job? Do you get many interviews in general? I've only just started to look around and to get in touch with agents in Zurich but it seems awfully slow.

From my experience in London, I had calls and emails on a daily basis and at least one interview a week for about 4 months before I got the offer for the job I wanted.

Should I expect to be unemployed for a long while?

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Re: How long has it taken you to find a job?

Depends what you do, how specialized you are, the market (or shortage of skilled people in that discipline) here, and if your are flexible or picky, and your language skills.

Without any further information I can only say I would expect it will be a lot slower than London and take a lot longer.
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Depends what you do, how specialized you are, the market (or shortage of skilled people in that discipline) here, and if your are flexible or picky, and your language skills.

Without any further information I can only say I would expect it will be a lot slower than London and take a lot longer.
Exactly. If you have something in demand that locals don't have, you'll be OK. But if you're chasing the same vacancies as the locals, or expats who have been here for a while, and who have all the paperwork in place, plus language skills and general nous etc, then you will struggle.

A couple of colleagues of mine came over from the UK about 2 years ago with partners in tow, keen to find work here. One partner went back after 6 months, the other after about a year. Neither found what they were looking for, and were both able to return to their old jobs. The relationships have survived (and it helps that there are no kids involved) but be aware that it isn't easy for most 'trailing spouses'.

Sorry if that sounds negative. Just trying to give you realistic expectations.
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It will very much depend on what sort of work you do. I came with my OH when he was headhunted by a company here. But I've never worked here because I was a secretary. I don't speak any of Switzerland's languages so finding a position is effectively impossible for me. Hubby on the other hand is an expert in his specialised field so not speaking another language other than English isn't so much of a problem. But even so, it took him a year to find another job here when he was made redundant a couple of years back.

Obviously, depending on your work/skills, big international companies are more likely to want English speaking staff.
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Re: How long has it taken you to find a job?

If you are a British national and have been paying tax in the UK then you can get some assistance in finding a job in CH, both in terms of cash and other support such as language courses.

You will need to get in touch with the RAV and will need to show that you have actually been contributing in the UK, if you use the search function in the top right corner there are plenty of threads about this on EF.

Good luck with the search, I have been looking earnestly for about 8 months now but then again I do live in the middle of nowhere so perhaps the 'big' city will hold more opportunities for you.
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Re: How long has it taken you to find a job?

My wife-to-be quit her job and moved here from the UK with a very high qualification. We realized up front that her skills would count for nothing if she couldn't speak and understand the local language as her job requires close interaction with locals (let alone even pass an interview). So, we put job hunting on the back burner, and she dove right into an intensive German course.

After 9 months she felt confident enough to try interviewing. She ended up landing a parttime job working for a tyrant that only lasted 3 months. She then found a parttime job again, but had to drive an hour in each direction to get there. Again, her boss was a tyrant, but she stuck it out for 2 years. During that time she picked up a second parttime job at another office close by with a boss that she got along with. She ended up quiting the other one and working full time for the latter one. Elapsed time since moving from the UK at that point: 3 years.

She has now been happily employed there for the past 16 years. So, prepare for a long road.
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Re: How long has it taken you to find a job?

Thank you for your replies.
It does sound like I will be stuck at home for a few months at least.

I work for an asset management firm in London in Risk & Compliance area and while the finance sector itself may have struggled my sector has been booming and I didn't struggle with finding a job in London. I guess I was expecting an "easy ride" in Zurich which by the looks of it is not going to happen.

Karl I'll take your advice and will do an intensive German course whilst looking for something.

Is there a thread that talks about the impact of moves like this on relationships? I'm moving for my boyfriend and leaving a good job behind. I really don't want to end up being bored at home and resenting him for it.........
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Is there a thread that talks about the impact of moves like this on relationships? I'm moving for my boyfriend and leaving a good job behind. I really don't want to end up being bored at home and resenting him for it.........
Personally I think what is most important about such a move is finding your own role (either through a job or some other past-time) and getting your own circle of friends going.

Being totally dependent on one other person can lead to resentment. Otherwise, have a look around the forum using the search function in the top right corner.
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Re: How long has it taken you to find a job?

Does your London firm have an office in CH? Why not ask for a transfer?

CH job market for financial services professionals is uncertain these days at best. If you do get one, be alert as a lot of firms are cutting back and moving out. Big new money is in Asia (Singapore) these days, not Europe, especially in private banking and wealth management.

How long it takes? Tough to say. My first job here took 5 months to secure (from first contact to job offer). My second job, 5 weeks.

It is quite rare to have on the spot job offers right after first contact (say a few days); Swiss generally tend to have longer more formal recruiting procedure which can include a bit of reference checking. Also, make sure you know good headhunters with contacts here.
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Re: How long has it taken you to find a job?

really depends on the job you want and you.

some industry positions are hot and desperately looking for people.

some, it is impossible to get a job in.
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...I'm moving for my boyfriend and leaving a good job behind. I really don't want to end up being bored at home and resenting him for it.........
You are wise to approach this cautiously. I have moved twice for love and it was a strain to say the least. I'll see if I can find some threads to help. In the meantime, consider waiting to move until you have something lined up. It's really easy to quit a job anywhere but pretty hard to find one here.
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Does your London firm have an office in CH?

Nope, no Swiss office. It's an old school English establishment, they only operate in the UK. It may be wrong but I feel that I will be downgrading my career by this move to Switzerland. I feel that London offers a more vibrant, modern, fast and sort of go-getting environment to work in.
Why do the Swiss think they are better? Are they actually better? Why are they so stuck up?
I understand that it is my personal ignorance and that I don't know much about Switzerland but does anyone agree with me? Am I wrong in thinking that The City has much more to offer in terms of constant learning and development?

The agents I spoke to made me feel like I was almost not worthy of the Swiss job market. Or was I being sensitive?
Anyway, I sound like I'm resenting this move already... I'm actually just scared.
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Re: How long has it taken you to find a job?

I'm in the same position, albeit I've moved with my wife. I was with a recruitment consultant only yesterday, and they said that it usually takes 3-4 months to secure a position. My career has been somewhat varied though - it sounds like you have you have specific skills and experience in a specialised role, and that seems highly prized here. Networking is key - is your OH's company giving you any relocation assistance?

In terms of impact on relationships: it's never going to be easy! You'll only be bored at home if you let yourself. I've only been here a month, but I make sure I get out every day even if it's just to explore new areas. I'm doing language classes, albeit only two nights a week, and there are plenty of events and nights out arranged on this and other ex-pat forums. The biggest thing for me is not earning your own money and being reliant on your other half, but this is only temporary. As long as you recognise that this is going to happen and it will take a while to get a job you'll be fine.

If it was easy it wouldn't be worth doing
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Re: How long has it taken you to find a job?

Maybe not relevant, but from the time I started looking for a job (while still employed at last employer), I got the offer for the next job around 4 months later, and started 6 months later. It was also summer vacation time when a lot of people are on holidays, so things move slowly.
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Nope, no Swiss office. It's an old school English establishment, they only operate in the UK. It may be wrong but I feel that I will be downgrading my career by this move to Switzerland. I feel that London offers a more vibrant, modern, fast and sort of go-getting environment to work in.
Why do the Swiss think they are better? Are they actually better? Why are they so stuck up?
I understand that it is my personal ignorance and that I don't know much about Switzerland but does anyone agree with me? Am I wrong in thinking that The City has much more to offer in terms of constant learning and development?

The agents I spoke to made me feel like I was almost not worthy of the Swiss job market. Or was I being sensitive?
Anyway, I sound like I'm resenting this move already... I'm actually just scared.
You should be made aware of corporate culture in Switzerland.

Although there are many multinationals with employees of diverse backgrounds (don't be surprised if the majority of colleagues are foreign), Swiss corporate culture generally is slower and more "human"-focused than Anglo-American. Life here is stable, protected and very civil. If you want intense career growth and development, stay in London. If you want the best quality of life on earth, welcome! There's a good reason why the Swiss have kept to themselves peacefully for 200 straight years.
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Nope, no Swiss office. It's an old school English establishment, they only operate in the UK. It may be wrong but I feel that I will be downgrading my career by this move to Switzerland. I feel that London offers a more vibrant, modern, fast and sort of go-getting environment to work in.
Why do the Swiss think they are better? Are they actually better? Why are they so stuck up?
I understand that it is my personal ignorance and that I don't know much about Switzerland but does anyone agree with me? Am I wrong in thinking that The City has much more to offer in terms of constant learning and development?

The agents I spoke to made me feel like I was almost not worthy of the Swiss job market. Or was I being sensitive?
Anyway, I sound like I'm resenting this move already... I'm actually just scared.
London is certainly a more vibrant, modern, fast city. The Swiss are reserved and that may come across as stuck up but isn't necessarily true. It`s a very regimented environment here they grow up in so they are generally rule followers. Which has it`s advantages and disadvantages.

Maybe you need to speak to some UK agents to get some perspective. When an agent wants you they will kiss your ass like there is no tomorrow. Otherwise they are looking for their next commission cheque, same everywhere. How do you think you would be received in London if you just rocked up with only German as a language? None. Here at least with English the odds are better than that but that`s the perspective you need to think about.

I would suggest you look on some target companies websites and apply directly, I suspect you have more success that way and even more success with networking.

I have been unemployed for a year and we moved here for my wife`s role and as much as I enjoy golf and skiing it certainly has been a sacrifice career wise (for the second time). As others have said you need to keep busy and have fun but if money is tight and you are not earning and you`ve been dragged along tension/ frustration will follow.

Someone mentioned Switzerland having the greatest standard of living on earth. If you really love London you may not appreciate the high standard of living here. Things work, it`s well organized, great for families, I really like it here.

If I would have moved here from London in my 20`s I am not sure I would feel the same.

There are threads on trailing spouses. If you use that term in the search function you should find a lot of experiences.
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Took me 4 months. . . but i didnt look very hard. Ive had 3 different jobs in this country (In 7/8 years) all of which I kind of just fell into....

Im lucky enough that i never been turned down for a job I have applied for!
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Nope, no Swiss office. It's an old school English establishment, they only operate in the UK. It may be wrong but I feel that I will be downgrading my career by this move to Switzerland. I feel that London offers a more vibrant, modern, fast and sort of go-getting environment to work in.
Why do the Swiss think they are better? Are they actually better? Why are they so stuck up?
I understand that it is my personal ignorance and that I don't know much about Switzerland but does anyone agree with me? Am I wrong in thinking that The City has much more to offer in terms of constant learning and development?

The agents I spoke to made me feel like I was almost not worthy of the Swiss job market. Or was I being sensitive?
Anyway, I sound like I'm resenting this move already... I'm actually just scared.
When I came here, I came with not much in my pocket, not much luggage, but bags of enthusiasm to meet new people, learn new culture, and enjoy the whole show... the cities, the countryside.

In my opinion, this approach tends to work out best, and when people have quite negative impressions before they get even here, well, not so much.

Of course, you might just be having a bad day after speaking to a dipshit headhunter, most of whom I would happily wipe off the face off the earth myself sometimes.
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Re: How long has it taken you to find a job?

It took me 2 weeks! I registered with an agency (reluctantly, as I wasn't keen on working straight away) and landed an interview after a week then was offered a position before I'd even got a permit! I am a Secretary and didn't speak a word of German so there is hope!

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