The Au Pair/Nanny employment thread (no ads!)

[tigris330]

	Quote:	LubyLou25
	Hi Sorry if its already in the thread but I am a newbie! I am looking to become a live-out au pair/nanny. How much is a reasonable amount to charge per hour? per week? per month? A lot of people say salary is negotiable but I dont know how I can negotiate when I dont know what the average is! Please help.

For live out nanny - 20 CHF net for no experience

25 net if you have plenty of experience plus maybe courses and first aid.

[princessduck]

	Quote:	tigris330
	For live out nanny - 20 CHF net for no experience 25 net if you have plenty of experience plus maybe courses and first aid.

I thought it is 25-30 CHF if you have experience AND first aid and some courses . 5 CHF counts when you struggle to have a decent life.

[princessduck]

	Quote:	LubyLou25
	Hi Sorry if its already in the thread but I am a newbie! I am looking to become a live-out au pair/nanny. How much is a reasonable amount to charge per hour? per week? per month? A lot of people say salary is negotiable but I dont know how I can negotiate when I dont know what the average is! Please help.

It depends what is your experience, what you know, what you can do and if you have any courses, certificate or diploma. And it depends where you live also. The salary varies between parts of Switzerland!

http://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/content/.../13_nannys.pdf
Childcare (www.childcare.ch)
- Stundenlohn: zwischen 22 und 35 Franken brutto
- Monatslohn: zwischen 3'500 und 4'800 Franken bei einem Vollpensum

Familienservice (www.familienservice.ch)
- Stundenlohn: 25 bis 30 Franken brutto für BetreuerInnen mit spezifischer Ausbildung

23 bis 25 Franken brutto für BetreuerInnen ohne spezifische Ausbildung

- Monatslohn: 3'800 bis 4'800 Franken brutto bei 100 Prozent (43 Std./Woche)
für BetreuerInnen mit ausgewiesenen Berufskenntnissen und Erfahrung;
3'200 bis 3'800 Franken brutto bei 100 Prozent (43 Std./Woche) für BetreuerInnen
ohne spezifische Ausbildung


http://www.betreut24.ch/seiten/infos...9.html#details

http://www.care4kids.ch/index.php?op...mid=29&lang=de

Other info:
http://www.care4kids.ch/index.php?op...mid=10&lang=de

http://www.joannasbabysitterservice....d=nanny_preise


I think you got the point regarding the pay . These websites in my opinion are the best websites when it comes to nanny pay. If you want more just type in google: nanny lohn zurich and you will have lots of websites.

If you speak German very well (they ask for a C1 level in German for one course !), I think you should take this course:
http://www.srk-zuerich.ch/srk/Was-wi...ang-zur-Nanny/

Details:
http://www.srk-zuerich.ch/srk/wGloba...ny.pdf&count=1

This will help you a lot for your knowledge and also the parents will see in you a very good candidate.

PS: In case you need a permit as an au pair, I doubt you will get one as an live out au pair. An au pair is a girl that goes in a foreign country to live with a family, learn the language and the culture, while living in the family house.

[Wedge]

Well finally after 3 stressful months of searching we have got a nanny, we highly recommend www.greataupair.com and paying the 60 dollars. The ability to message and view profiles of potential nannies was well worth the money.

[Loubilou]

Can anybody tell me on which websites one can find the part positions for as a nanny?

[Loubilou]

i mean part time - thank you)

[lilith]

greataupair.com is a great site. You can always post something and say you are looking for part-time employment.
Otherwise, have you tried anibis.ch? or petitesannonces.ch? they are quite similar in fact. Lots of ads, of people searching nannies and jobs.

Good luck.

[Jal83]

Hi everyone,

I'm an Australian who has just moved to Switzerland to work as a registered nurse/nanny. I have a full time job lined up and I'm currently waiting for the contract to be presented. I wondered if anyone knows what the award wage would be per month? And is it higher if you have nursing credentials? How many hours a week should I expect to work for full time employment? And how many days off a week would you normally have?

If anyone has any information it would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you!

[lyds]

	Quote:	Coralee
	Yes, Au-pairs are typically paid 700-900 over here and yes you are right it IS UNDERPAID. I used to be an aupair a few years ago and I assure no matter what is included (rent, food, language course) this isn' t enough. It makes me cringe when I hear parents talking about how this is a perfectly fine wage. These are your CHILDREN do you really wanna bargain on their care? You pay someone just enough and they'll do just enough but they will not be happy in Switzerland on that wage. Au pairs hangout with each other and moan about their jobs to each other. On that wage I ate never outside the house except the odd falafel which was a real treat. I was hardly able to leave Zurich and when I did it was on less then a "budget" travel. For any parents looking to for a "good" aupair pay them well and they will treat your children well. Give them the bare minimum and that's all you can expect in return.

Yes I agree...give them a decent wage...or stay home and look after your own children...after all why have them!!

	Quote:	Jal83
	Hi everyone, I'm an Australian who has just moved to Switzerland to work as a registered nurse/nanny. I have a full time job lined up and I'm currently waiting for the contract to be presented. I wondered if anyone knows what the award wage would be per month? And is it higher if you have nursing credentials? How many hours a week should I expect to work for full time employment? And how many days off a week would you normally have? If anyone has any information it would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!

Hello there,I worked as a nanny for many years...I was looking after 3 children 3 days a week and all I was paid was 20 francs an hr!!!in answer to youre question full time is 5 days and you should be paid more specially since you are a nurse...but you wont be...I 2 am Australian they will still try and cut you down...I applied for a job with a family last week the asking price was 28 fr an hr they didnt want to pay that much..only wanted to pay 15!!!hope you have better luck..I have been doing it for 19 years.good luck

[Beautiful fairy]

	Quote:	Richard
	Let me give you some information here. Nannies - the general salary here is anywhere between 3500 and 4500. There will be no pension contribution in that amount but the social side from the employers side will be paid on top of this although you won't see it. The deductions from this brutto amount will be the normal swiss if it is done legally and nothing if you come to some sort of arrangement -although your rights in the latter case will be reduced! Aupair - you hit the nail on the head here 700 is typical live in and max 35 hrs per week and only light house work. There are serious restrictions though on being an aupair such as only EU or US, Canada and OZ, NZL citizens can apply. The maximum stay is an L permit ie 18 months. You cannot share the same mother tongue as the family so if 1 is English and the other German speaking that cuts out half of Europe plus the other countries and you are subject to quotas in the same way as other employees. As you can imagine I see it all as part of the big conspiracy to stop mothers going to work... If you want to discuss any points mentioned above, know where to advertise your services etc let me know.

I wish i had that salary when i came. I was working as a nanny, looking after 5 kids, 12 hours a day, (even when the contract say 40 hours per week), yes i was living there, but i was not allowed to have breakfast or snack, only lunch and dinner, and of course, not really enough food. Light house working??? Is what ALL said, and then you have to clean the whole house while she or he is just sitting drinking coffe and reading newspaper.
It was my worse experience ever, they treat me just worse than a dog......so i really recommended to everybody who want to work as a au pair here to clear every part of the contract before starts.

They pay me just 700 Chf monthly.

[Map]

I am a pilipina who's working as a Au pair..may contract is soon finished on may..is it possible to extend it..what shall i do..? Please help me

[Longbyt]

All these links relevant to au pairs are in the Sticky at the top of this forum.
www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home/themen/arbeit/faq.0020.html#a_0020
www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/142_201/a48.html
www.au-pair-world.co.uk/index.php/visa/switzerland/
http://www.aupair-agency.com/aupair-...witzerland.htm

Cost of employing an au pair

[abright1dea]

I have been offered a job as an au pair, however, the family wants me to come on a tourist visa and stay for one year...They are telling me it's "too expensive" to pay for a work permit and I likely would not get one anyway as an American.

I would never consider doing this, but I would just like someone to tell me flat out--what's the deal with illegal au pairs? Is it common in Switzerland and do they really go undetected?

Personally, I want to come legally. I don't understand why someone would want to convince someone to come illegally if that person is taking care of their children. What does this agreement say about the au pair's moral compass, especially about how responsible they are?!

[lyds]

Re: Nanny au pair position....I would never go to a job illegally...specially to another country.... if anything should go wrong you would have no legal rights!!! I can't believe that you would even consider going

[abright1dea]

I'm sorry... Are you responding to me? Did you read the part where I wrote, "I would never consider doing this, but I would just like someone to tell me flat out--what's the deal with illegal au pairs? Is it common in Switzerland and do they really go undetected?" Thanks.

[ZALDIX]

Hello,

I am 29 years old.I have medical master degree. I want to take a 1 year breake in my job in Poland and start learning German. Therefore I wanted to come to Switzerland to take a language course. My idea was to contact Au Pair agency in Poland but they told me I am too old...

Do you have any contacts to Swiss agencies which can help me to organize my stay in Switzerland??
Agency which can take care of all paperwork and will make sure I can do the language course.

Thanks in advance

[Odile]

	Quote:	abright1dea
	I have been offered a job as an au pair, however, the family wants me to come on a tourist visa and stay for one year...They are telling me it's "too expensive" to pay for a work permit and I likely would not get one anyway as an American. I would never consider doing this, but I would just like someone to tell me flat out--what's the deal with illegal au pairs? Is it common in Switzerland and do they really go undetected? Personally, I want to come legally. I don't understand why someone would want to convince someone to come illegally if that person is taking care of their children. What does this agreement say about the au pair's moral compass, especially about how responsible they are?!

Sadly it happens all the time. The Au Pair regulations are very strict and clear, but many flout them, and so called Au Pairs are exploited, often mistreated and totally uncovered in case of illness or accident. And not just in Switzerland, of course. Sadly there are plenty of people out there desperate to accept poorly paid and illegal jobs, so it will continue. And many go undetected - until something goes wrong, like an accident, or bad mistreatment which the Au-Pair ends up by reporting to the authorities. Makes me so angry for them.

When we had Au Pairs in the UK, we had to rescue 3 of them from families where they were so badly treated and exploited, look after them and find them new families. One of them was so unhappy she had attempted suicide - we had to pick her up from casualty at 3 in the morning- as they had found our Au Pairs name and tel number (our tel number) in her handbag.

[miniMia]

	Quote:	abright1dea
	I'm sorry... Are you responding to me? Did you read the part where I wrote, "I would never consider doing this, but I would just like someone to tell me flat out--what's the deal with illegal au pairs? Is it common in Switzerland and do they really go undetected?" Thanks.

I'm still not sure what your question is.

YES it's illegal.
NO you will not go undetected.

The family that are proposing this sound very shady indeed. If they don't want to respect this law, what other laws do you think they won't respect? So you are right about their questionable moral compass!

I'm not sure your age and circumstances, but I believe it is possible to get non-EU au pair visas as the idea is that it's a cultural exchange. Go through a proper agency and get an above board job.

[abright1dea]

Hi there, the reason I am asking is because I am from the US and not particularly set on a country so I am speaking with families all over Europe. As I have two friends in Geneva right now, it's probably my #1 choice of location. Over this past month, however, something strange has happened. I have had, not one...not two...but THREE Swiss families offer me a position, but then say that they will not help me get over legally. They then go on to tell me all the ways I can come illegally and how it's not a big deal at all in the Shengan area. They related the Shengan area travels to traveling between states in the US, which it is not like that at all...I was very candid with the last family and said early on, I will only consider a host family that is willing to get a proper visa and work permit, to which they responded, "Of course!" and then once they offered me the job, they said it was just "too expensive". I spoke with both of my friends and they have said that illegal au pairs are very common but that there's nothing "normal" about it, so don't let these families try to tell me that it's simply a matter of "differences of understanding cultures" (as one put it). After I thought more about the work aspect and personal liability of driving someone else's children around, my personal decision still remains the same, however, I was curious to get the perspective of random English speakers, hence this board.

[miniMia]

	Quote:	abright1dea
	Hi there, the reason I am asking is because I am from the US and not particularly set on a country so I am speaking with families all over Europe. As I have two friends in Geneva right now, it's probably my #1 choice of location. Over this past month, however, something strange has happened. I have had, not one...not two...but THREE Swiss families offer me a position, but then say that they will not help me get over legally. They then go on to tell me all the ways I can come illegally and how it's not a big deal at all in the Shengan area. They related the Shengan area travels to traveling between states in the US, which it is not like that at all...I was very candid with the last family and said early on, I will only consider a host family that is willing to get a proper visa and work permit, to which they responded, "Of course!" and then once they offered me the job, they said it was just "too expensive". I spoke with both of my friends and they have said that illegal au pairs are very common but that there's nothing "normal" about it, so don't let these families try to tell me that it's simply a matter of "differences of understanding cultures" (as one put it). After I thought more about the work aspect and personal liability of driving someone else's children around, my personal decision still remains the same, however, I was curious to get the perspective of random English speakers, hence this board.

How is the Schengen issue relevant? You still only have the right to stay 3 months in the whole Schengen area.

You probably won't get checked when you leave Switzerland for France or Italy although that's not a given. I once forgot my passport and when I hit the Italian border we were stopped and I was turned back.

When hit the airport to leave the Schengen area you could very well be checked and questioned. How are you going to explain you were in Geneva for a year? And if you get fined and banned from Schengen is the host family going to take care of that?

Sure, if we are honest, Americans are not on the top of the list of illegal immigrants to hunt down. But still. It's not without risk.

What has the agency said when you tell them the families are looking to do this under the table?