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How is the Schengen issue relevant? You still only have the right to stay 3 months in the whole Schengen area.

You probably won't get checked when you leave Switzerland for France or Italy although that's not a given. I once forgot my passport and when I hit the Italian border we were stopped and I was turned back.

When hit the airport to leave the Schengen area you could very well be checked and questioned. How are you going to explain you were in Geneva for a year? And if you get fined and banned from Schengen is the host family going to take care of that?

Sure, if we are honest, Americans are not on the top of the list of illegal immigrants to hunt down. But still. It's not without risk.

What has the agency said when you tell them the families are looking to do this under the table?
The Shengen issue is relevant because being from a different continent, most Americans (including myself) want to travel on the weekends. Hence the assurance that there are open borders because of the Shengen agreement. Agreed on the right to stay, they just told me about this as means to convince me it was no big deal. And no, I absolutely am sure a family would not help an au pair in any way, especially because I have heard there is like a 14'000CHF fine. I am sure at that point they would pretend their au pair was a complete stranger.

I absolutely agree about the flight home, especially because the internet tells me that Germany and Switzerland are the toughest on overstayers. I would not want to explain why I overstayed a 90 day visa by 9 months.

Ah, the agencies. Therein lies the "problem" and confusion for the Swiss. Through a bunch of informal research, I have found that as of 2008, families must use an agency for an au pair. To even sign up (not to even get matched with a family/au pair) is 2'000CHF each. I frankly think this creates a weird application pool, as I would never pay a foreign company over $2000 USD in hopes of maybe becoming an au pair with a family I did not select myself. It's expensive and timely, and even then the Swiss government may not approve the au pair.

I am happy to say though that since my original post I've found a family in Switzerland and will be coming this June for a year! So excited!
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Live-in nanny salary

what is the going market rate for a live-in experienced nanny for 5 days a week?
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Does anyone have an understanding of Swiss taxation on a nanny who is a non-resident from an Eastern European country? We received a $513CHF bill for one month of employment with our Hungarian nanny and an HR person at work said that because Hungary is not one of the countries Switzerland opened its borders to we must pay more to hire a Hungarian because they are billing us for the taxes and other fees that an approved EU immigrant to Switzerland would normally pay themselves. We are also paying her pension, which people pay themselves (unless they are at a company with a program where they match contributions) in America where we are from. The HR person also said we were paying contributions for her living expenses even though she has her own apartment. She mentioned that if we hired a Swiss person or anyone with a resident Visa we would only pay accident insurance because the government would tax them directly and deduct the necessary contributions. We want to do everything by the book but because our nanny needs residency and a work permit we had to file a contract that says she is working full-time even though it's less than that. Is it true that this kind of contract is not required for Swiss residents, because they are already registered for taxation and pension plans? This is all totally new to us -- in America we either paid our sitters by the hour or used one of the many great and affordable after-school programs. So my main question is: is a $513 tax bill standard for a month of childcare in a low-tax canton (it's more than 10%, according to the bill) and, if so, are we supposed to be deducting that from the gross salary? I'd appreciate any help or insight anyone can offer on this, because we're getting very close to the point where with all the extra charges, transportation costs and taxes I am barely breaking even between what I earn and what I'm paying for childcare. Is that just how it is or is the government actually penalizing us for hiring someone from a country they do not approve of for some reason? Thanks in advance for your help
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Re: The Au Pair/Nanny employment thread (no ads!)

The difference between an employment of a Swiss and a foreigner without permanent residence permission is, that the employer also has to deduct the tax at source from the gross wage and pay it to the tax offices. All other fees/contributions/premiums apply both to Swiss citizens and foreigners.

Because the nanny is your employee, you have to fulfill your duties as an employer, meaning that you clear all the social security contributions, pension, accident insurance, and in your case also tax at source. However, most of the fees are split between the employer and the employee (deducted from gross salary), and the tax at source has to be paid fully by the employee.

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Thank you so much -- I will write back in a PM after I locate the contract and bills so you can tell me if we are being charged correctly. I am pretty sure the bill from the AHV or AVS or whatever it is does not include the social security payments yet so i am assuming that will be another fee on top of the gross salary and taxes. I really appreciate the help understanding this -- it's pretty complicated to me!
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Is it possible, as an American, attempting to come in to study in Lugano for my masters, to do something similar to an Au Pair or Nanny? I know you can't get two different visas, but I'm going to have to work to survive in the country, and am not sure how I'd be able to get a job as I'm not fluent in Italian (yet!). Any advice or ideas?
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Hi there. I came to Zürich at the beginning of the year for Au Pair work. I am a British Swiss so a work permit is not needed as i am already a citizen. I choose Au Pair as the perks seemed good and it was a good way to start off in a new country. My contract is 40 hours a week looking after children, cleaning, washing, ironing amoungst other things. I live in with the family. I have a room with a single bed and my own bathroom. My salary is 1850.00chf a month but after Kost and Logis which is 990chf and food which is 270chf i month i am left with on 770chf a month. I think this is terrible. She pays my travel pass for my zone of course as i travel with the children on the bus. She also pays for my German lessons 2 days a week and my heath insurance but some how i think i am paying far to much for my room. Is this correct. Should an Au Pair have to pay rent. Can someone please help me because i feel i am being over charged dramtically. The money isnt enough to enjoy life here. Any answers would be much appreciated. Thanks
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Not to forget this doesnt include my Tax. So i must pay my tax which is 200chf a month so technically im only left with 570 a month.
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Hello, I am a 18 year old female. British, so my native language is English. I'm looking for a job as a Au Pair/ Nanny. I need a live-out job as I will be staying with friends in Vaud area. Anywhere near Vaud would be perfect. I have a drivers license but no transport yet. I'm hoping to work part time or 50/60% for children of any ages. I'll be coming to Switzerland in February so will need to be starting then.

Please contact me if I'm of interest to anyone
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Hi all EF members,
I am struggling to get all right information, but after few weeks of hard working I got the right impresion that I am very cheap labour. Working as nanny (live-in) almost 70 hours per week, with 1,5 day off for less then 1800 CHF per month.
Any suggestion what to do, whre to find new jon (right family) in Basel area.
Also chat with family did not helped, I was told that is normal for nanny to work 12 hours every day.

Thank you for any help.
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Hi everyone.
I'm working as a nanny for a family with 2 kids both in school. I work a 35 hour
week for 2500 a month which seems fair according to the info on here.

Before I started I was offered the option of being live in or live out and I chose live in,
Unfortunately I don't have any privacy ( they have started to check my room and I have been told I am not to cook with onions or garlic in my private kitchen as the mum hates the smell) :-(

I have asked the family if they are OK with me moving out and they said it was fine and that they would increase my pay. When I asked by how much they told me an increase of 10 to 15%, does this seem too low?

How much should I be asking to increase my salary by when changing from a live in to a live out nanny?
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Re: The Au Pair/Nanny employment thread (no ads!)

We pay our live-out nanny 25 CHF per hour, legally declared (therefore taxed). If she does any extra babysitting we pay her CHF 20 per hour. We live in Lausanne.

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By about CHF900 per month, that is the usual deduction for board & lodgings.

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Hi everyone.
I'm working as a nanny for a family with 2 kids both in school. I work a 35 hour
week for 2500 a month which seems fair according to the info on here.

Before I started I was offered the option of being live in or live out and I chose live in,
Unfortunately I don't have any privacy ( they have started to check my room and I have been told I am not to cook with onions or garlic in my private kitchen as the mum hates the smell) :-(

I have asked the family if they are OK with me moving out and they said it was fine and that they would increase my pay. When I asked by how much they told me an increase of 10 to 15%, does this seem too low?

How much should I be asking to increase my salary by when changing from a live in to a live out nanny?
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Re: The Au Pair/Nanny employment thread (no ads!)

Hello

We are a French family just moving to Zurich and looking for a nanny or preferably a au pair living out (our flat is too small) to look after our 2 boys (1 and 6)
Any advoce or contact you can give me wil be appreciated . I've looked at Aupair websites but it seems to be a lot of living in >
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I thought the point of an au pair (as opposed to nanny) was for them to live with the family and learn the local language.
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It is, legally they are not allowed to live out.

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I have sen a lot of documentation about au pair living out so I'm cconfused now ... anyway is this is teh case when we will need to look for a nanny
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Au pairs don't tend to earn enough to live out. You can find all the rules here:

http://www.zh.ch/internet/volkswirts...en/aupair.html

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An Au Pair has a special status, not really employed as such but getting only 'pocket money' and paid language classes, plus a room and food, etc, living as part of the family (to learn about the culture and language) so cannot, by definition, live out. A nanny as a totally different status - and in the UK usually implies being fully qualified from an approved school for nannies (like those offering the NNEB course)- and their salaries are the same as a qualified teacher (over £30.000 a year with social payments, etc, + the cost of a car if required for the job) ... and they won't do any cleaning, etc, apart from washing the childrens' clothes. Many so-called 'nannies' here have no qualification/s.
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