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so what we need is a nanny then , so any idea how to find one, the difficult one is that I need someone ideally only 2 weeks per month as my husband is away only 2 weeks per months... do you think I can still find someone?I was thinking myabe a mother at home willing to earn some money doing it part time(only 2 weeks per month) any advaice?
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Advertise on here, try liliput.ch, greataupair.com and ask around at your kids school.

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Hi all

I have started a nanny network thread on facebook for nannies to network and share ideas in Switzerland. Feel free to join.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/520367501365615/
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Thank you Tanya, I just asked for admission
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Nowadays, seems hard to get even 20chf. Experience, references, diplomas... and a couple of friends and me are still looking for complete hours
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Hello I am wondering I anyone can give me some advice. I am British/Swiss citizen working as an Au Pair in Zürich. I am no longer happy with my family of reason I think are valid and for my happiness. I find that I am no longer an Au Pair but a housekeeper. I do far to much including washing clothes, ironing, cooking all the meals, changing beds, cleaning cupboards, painting and even sewing as well as looking after the children. I do 40 hours a week and sometimes go over with no complaint of getting extra money. I just feel like I am not appreciated for the work I do and that the work is never goo enough for the Mother. She hired me to be an Au Pair not her housekeeper. She told me to take my job more seriously which I was extremely hurt by a I do the best I can and I sincerely think I am doing a good job and helping her evening out of hours. I have almost secures a fantastic Nanny job which I know I will love but they wish me to start on January. I am not going to tell the family until I have signed in the contract. I am a little concerned as it won't be 3 months notice but a little bit more than 2. Also on my contract it states 3 months but the is for a 24th moth contract! I have read the rules and regulations on Switzerland and it salt area 2 months notice for the first 12 months. I really want this new job but I am scared how she may react. I just find her expectations unmanageable. I try and try and still it not good enough. Down to how I should sit at the table, not to speak with my mouth open and also how small I fold the clothes. I jut feel like she would be better with someone else. Also the money I receive for 40hours Is shocking in my opinion. I am just not happy anymore but I love them all and just need to move onto something better. The kids are not the problem it's the work and how little respect I get. It really upsets me. Can anyone help me with how I can approach her with my new job. She will have a yet out of me at the end of December. I have every right to take this new job if I am not happy but I know she won't take this lightly. Also I am taking advantage for because I am Swiss so I can work an extra 10 hours. She will be lucky to find other Au Pair with this flexibility. Please help!!
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Old 21.10.2013, 22:03
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Well, as far as I understand au pair duties, it's some light housework, a few hours looking after children with supervision from someone else and learning a language. That's for non-Swiss, but maybe you want to learn a different language anyway in which case they should be paying for your language course.

From the sounds of it you're being exploited so I wouldn't bother to give notice; pack your bags and leave now and report them to the police/commune as well. It may sound harsh, but people like this have no respect for others, no matter what their nationality. If you don't report them they'll only do the same to some other poor girl.
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Well I never learned German as a child as I grew up in Britain do I am here learning German. She pays my language course and Ralph insurance. I have to give her notice I just can't leave her so that doesn't really help me! Also even though I am being exploited she hasn't treated in a way I can just walk out on her. Ok I am unhappy with my job. I just want to know whether 2 months notice would be enough or could she take me to Court or refuse to pay me??
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Sorry my I phone likes to spell for me!! I mean health insurance not Ralph!
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I am being taken advantage of and I need advice as to what to do.

Here's my story, I was hired as a nanny and tutor for a family with 4 children (ages 5, 9, 11 & 13). I was to be provided an apartment, 20-25 hours per week (after school) for CHF 800 per week. I am a 35 year old Canadian woman with a post secondary education, left the corporate world after 10 years and in the last 2.5 years have been filling in for nannies for 7 different families for $1000/week. I have been working with children since I was a teenager as a camp counsellor, travel nanny and Auntie Jess to over 20 of my friend's children. I have excellent references, drivers license, Canadian and EU passports and am first aid & CPR certified.

My first week I was left with the 4 kids (+ dog and cat) for 3 days, with overnights because both parents were away. I worked over 60 hours the first week, 40+ the next and in week 3 was asked if I could do 30 hours per week with no mention of more money. I accepted this because at this point I just loved the kids, the neighbourhood and being in Switzerland. I must mention that I am, on top of homework, also doing laundry (including the parents) grocery shopping, dog walking, pet feeding, clean kitty litter (ewww), dishes, cooking, clothes shopping, bathing kids, pick ups and drop offs and parents at various train stations and airport pick ups at all times of the night and early AM. They never leave me enough money for groceries etc so I'm always owed money.

Here's the pincher, I finally got paid and they are only paying me CHF 800 per month!!!! They say that I must have understood. There is no contract on paper because they don't have their own Swiss papers yet and didn't want to get into trouble for hiring me under the table. I was in shock and didn't have much to say other than I could not work for slave wages and that it was not what was agreed to. They are on holiday this week so I want to send them an email with a solution as soon as possible to resolve this before next week.

Before accepting the job I did research on nannies salaries, $20-30/hour and tutors as well which ranged from $20-40/hour and thought CHF 800 per week was fair (before knowing all that was actually expected). Is this accurate? Do nannies get over time in Switzerland?

What should I do? Please advise, all opinions welcome.
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Wow. here we go again. I would just leave, and go to the Unia office (workers union) and denounce them to the authorities. But I am aware that this just may not be possible if you have no friends or family here whre you can go, and no savings to go and stay at a cheaper hotel or hostel.

This is so wrong, and I truly feel for you. Out of interest, where is the family from? And why are they not registered here legally. Have they registered you with the Commune (seems not) or with the authorities (seems not) and are they paying for your medical and accident insurance and paying social payments for you (it seems not) - totally illegal as well as so unfair.
PM if you want to discuss this in private. Do you have family support?

There are many nannies agencies in Geneva who would snap you up- and that way you will be able to go and check conditions for yourself and have a proper contract drawn up.

Look at www.nanniesofeurope.com

full time Swiss nannies FROM 700/800CHF per week.
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Thanks for your words of support. There's more,

Not only is the money 75% less than our agreement, the hours are double and the apartment is not an apartment, it is a tiny room in an apartment sharing a bathroom with an old lady and her weird son. So none of what was stated in the 'lure' to have me work for them is true or accurate.

They are Canadians also and should know better, but as they just came from living in Singapore I imagine they paid their staff slave wages also.

I really love the kids and the dog too, I'm upset and I want a fair solution. Any suggestions on how to get the money I am owed? And how to move forward with the job? Maybe it's just impossible now that I feel so disrespected. The Mom, in her own muddled mind, thinks she said CHF 800 per month but I NEVER would have taken the job at that slave wage, not to mention that its illegal.

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Thanks for your words of support. There's more,

Not only is the money 75% less than our agreement, the hours are double and the apartment is not an apartment, it is a tiny room in an apartment sharing a bathroom with an old lady and her weird son. So none of what was stated in the 'lure' to have me work for them is true or accurate.

They are Canadians also and should know better, but as they just came from living in Singapore I imagine they paid their staff slave wages also.

I really love the kids and the dog too, I'm upset and I want a fair solution. Any suggestions on how to get the money I am owed? And how to move forward with the job? Maybe it's just impossible now that I feel so disrespected. The Mom, in her own muddled mind, thinks she said CHF 800 per month but I NEVER would have taken the job at that slave wage, not to mention that its illegal.

Facts, website links and new job offers are most welcome
Okay, let's make this clear. If they're Canadians they cannot move here without having a job to come to first so they should have papers. Plus their kids are in school, how would they manage that without proper permits? If they are here illegally then so are you because they're not able to hire you according to Swiss rules and regulations.

You're 35 years old so you know what you should do. As Odile says goes to the workers union, report this family to the authorities (police, commune, canton migration office) and then leave. Don't give notice, just get out. They can't complain as you have no contract specifying termination. Hopefully once you've explained your situation to the authorities they'll give you time to find another position. Use a reputable agency or have a look in the Marketplace section of the forum, there are always people here looking for nannies so you should be able to find something quickly.

Don't expect a fair solution because there isn't one. They've hired you under false pretenses, are shamelessly exploiting you and will continue to do so until they're stopped by the authorities. Don't put up with it, report them, leave and find another position where you're properly paid for doing what you were hired to do.
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Your situation sounds terrible but I am afraid that you have to have a contract and the fact that they are hear illegally makes things extremely complicated. What permit do you have here? It are you also here illegally. I am afraid some people go to situations like his but I would just start finding a legal secure well paid Nanny position. I am changing from Au Pair to Nanny next Jan and the money is at least 2000 a month of not more but then you have to take in the reductions I you are live in ect. Do not stay with his family because they are here illegally and that's not good news. Find a new ASAP!
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I worked as an au pair near Zurich, and wanted to say that the agency I came through, Wind Connections (www.windconnections.ch) is a really good agency.

They interview both candidates and families, to make sure the au pairs are really interested in working with kids and being a part of a family, and the families aware of everything required for an au pair (language lessons, health insurance, etc.), and try to match them well. As an au pair, the agency took care of everything in terms of paperwork, which was fantastic (especially now that I'm here on my own and realize how much of a pain the bureaucracy is here!).

The au pair salary is certainly not comparable to 'Swiss wages', but it is an experience, not a career. It's enough to go out and enjoy yourself, and travel on your holidays, provided you're able to do things fairly frugally (that said, I never had a shortage of money while working here, but I tend not to want super expensive things).

This agency is also there to help resolve any conflicts between the au pair and the family (I never had any problems or complaints with my family at all).

Do make sure both sides are on the same page about responsibilities and hours before coming! While there are set guidelines for au pair hours, some families will want you to work more than the 30 hours per week, which you should be clear on beforehand (I was paid extra hourly if I was needed in excess of the 30 hours per week; some girls I knew were just paid a set monthly amount that was higher than the 700-800 typical salary, and then expected to be available a lot more).
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Hello all and Happy New Year,

We were looking for an Au Pair for our 3 children and had found a perfect candidate, she is also keen.
She is however 31 and the legal limit is 30 - we will need her for about 35 hours a week so the Nanny rates are a no go.
Is there a 3rd way - that we can employ someone on au pair rates and satisfy all of the language, holiday, board criteria of an au pair. i.e. how would explain this to our gemeinde / commune.

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I don't think so. The rules are quite clear that 30 is the maximum age allowed for au pairs from the EU/EFTA countries. Au pairs from non-EU/EFTA counties must be employed via an approved agency and the maximum age is 25. I suppose you could hire her as a child minder of some sort, not nanny as such, but you'd still have to pay more than au pair wages.
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Thanks - Does anyone have any knowledge or experience in hiring someone to help with household / child minding activities?
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Hi There,

I am now a bit confused
I am 30 yrs old,living in Lausanne,a nursery teacher but working as a nanny as I do not speak french-yet -. So now I am looking for another job and I have no idea how much I can ask for hourly rate or fix rate?
According my experience (12yrs),and qualification I ask 25CHF/hour, but tom me it is looks like a bit much as most of the families would like to pay between 15-20CHF/hr.
Could someone help me please?
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Swiss law is quite clear on the subject, and here is the official site for VAud, in French:

Economie domestique

Le 13 novembre 2013, le Conseil fédéral a décidé de prolonger de trois ans l’ordonnance sur le contrat-type de travail pour les travailleurs de l’économie domestique (CTT économie domestique) et, dans le même temps, d’adapter le salaire minimum. Le CTT économie domestique réglemente le salaire minimum pour le personnel de maison employé dans les ménages privés. Il est entré en vigueur le 1er janvier 2011 et s’applique jusqu’au 31 décembre 2016.

Adaptation des salaires minimaux à l'évolution des salaires nominaux de 2011 et 2012

Pour les employés non qualifiés sans expérience professionnelle, le salaire minimum de 18 fr. 20 passe à 18 fr. 55. S'agissant des employés non qualifiés disposant d'une expérience professionnelle de quatre ans en économie domestique et des travailleurs domestiques qualifiés disposant d'une formation professionnelle de deux ans avec attestation fédérale professionnelle (AFP), le salaire horaire passe de 20 francs à 20 fr. 35. Pour les travailleurs domestiques qualifiés disposant d'une formation professionnelle initiale de trois ans et d'un certificat fédéral de capacité (CFC), le salaire horaire passe de 22 francs à 22 fr. 40.



So the absolute minimum for domestic help without experienc or qualification is 18CHF55. With qualifications and 4 years experience 20CHF35, and for qualified staff, with a Swiss CFC (or equivalent if you can get them to accept that) 22CHF40. If you are a qualified teacher with experience, than it is a lot more than that, again providing you can demonstrate equivalence.
Whether you live in or out also makes a difference, as they can deduct some for accommodation and food.

Are you EU or non EU? Vaud as a very strict policy on quotas for non EU nannies, etc, who all have to be employed via an Agency. Of course they'd rather pay less- but it would be illegal for them to do so. Bonne chance.
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