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Re: The Au Pair/Nanny employment thread

Wow Lots of interesting stories and info!
From previous threads, you may have read that My husband and I are moving to Rolle. I am a qualified nurse and pre training to be a nurse I worked as a childrens nanny in Switzerland. I aim to work as a nurse evenntually but reading your threads made me think that maybe I could work as an nanny whilst I pick up my language? Does anyone know of anyone needing an English speaking nanny in the Vaud region? (Live out)
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Hi Rachel,
there is a new blingual nursery just opened near Vevey?Blonay if you are interested. Lost the details for now, maybe if you google
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Re: The Au Pair/Nanny employment thread

Hi there,

Can anyone tell me if we are allowed to have a live out au pair? I mean, there are so many incredible restrictions here and one point that it is always highlighted is that this young person comes to learn the language and the culture... We are fine with a live out au pair, but would the authorities be also OK with this?

Any information will be much appreciated.

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Can anyone tell me if we are allowed to have a live out au pair? I mean, there are so many incredible restrictions here and one point that it is always highlighted is that this young person comes to learn the language and the culture... We are fine with a live out au pair, but would the authorities be also OK with this?

Any information will be much appreciated.

Many thanks,
Betsy (in Basel)
Nobody replied. Scandal. Yes you can have a live out aupair but only if the person is Swiss... You are also able to have a live out au pair if they are EU citizens and have not entered the country through an au pair permit.
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I am struggling to find a live out au pair and wondered whether anyone had any advice or experience they could share. We only need someone to collect the children from school, give them a light dinner and entertain them until we come home at about 6pm - 6.30pm. Given that this would require no more than about 15 hours a week we are reluctant to have someone live with us but are having difficulty finding someone live-out. Any advice?

Similarly if anyone has advice on salary for something like this again much appreciated.

Many thanks
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Nannies - the general salary here is anywhere between 3500 and 4500. There will be no pension contribution in that amount but the social side from the employers side will be paid on top of this although you won't see it. The deductions from this brutto amount will be the normal swiss if it is done legally and nothing if you come to some sort of arrangement -although your rights in the latter case will be reduced!

Aupair - you hit the nail on the head here 700 is typical live in and max 35 hrs per week and only light house work. There are serious restrictions though on being an aupair such as only EU or US, Canada and OZ, NZL citizens can apply. The maximum stay is an L permit ie 18 months. You cannot share the same mother tongue as the family so if 1 is English and the other German speaking that cuts out half of Europe plus the other countries and you are subject to quotas in the same way as other employees.
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Yes, Au-pairs are typically paid 700-900 over here and yes you are right it IS UNDERPAID. I used to be an aupair a few years ago and I assure no matter what is included (rent, food, language course) this isn' t enough. It makes me cringe when I hear parents talking about how this is a perfectly fine wage.

These are your CHILDREN do you really wanna bargain on their care? You pay someone just enough and they'll do just enough but they will not be happy in Switzerland on that wage. Au pairs hangout with each other and moan about their jobs to each other. On that wage I ate never outside the house except the odd falafel which was a real treat. I was hardly able to leave Zurich and when I did it was on less then a "budget" travel.

For any parents looking to for a "good" aupair pay them well and they will treat your children well. Give them the bare minimum and that's all you can expect in return.
I paid CHF 1,500 plus live-in(Studio Flat), all costs(Travel, Luxurious food & Drink incl. stops at starbucks). Is that enough, or am I destroying the mkt? My au-pair worked 45 hrs a week, of which I would considcer 25hrs to be real work(and I am being generous).
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Re: The Au Pair/Nanny employment thread

Wow, Joe lost, that is really generous of you to your au pair... I would like to pretend that 1500CHF isn't a lot for an au pair, but in my opinion, it is. I am an au pair, I am getting 500CHF a month, plus lodgings, food, a transportation pass, and my language course fully paid for. Already, I think this is a lot. The thing people tend to forget is, yes, an au pair wants to go out and travel, eat out, etc. But also, this is a cultural/language experience. The au pair is there to observe how the "family unit" works in another country. To be involved. To become like a member of the family itself. In reality what you are "paying" the au pair is an allowance. At the end of it all, the au pair really shouldn't have made money... ah, perhaps I am babbling, or being an idealist.

As for what you where asking about all you are doing being enough, I think that once your au pair is settled in, you should let them "fend for herself/himself". Treat your au pair like you would any other member of your family. No better, and no worse.

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I paid CHF 1,500 plus live-in(Studio Flat), all costs(Travel, Luxurious food & Drink incl. stops at starbucks). Is that enough, or am I destroying the mkt? My au-pair worked 45 hrs a week, of which I would considcer 25hrs to be real work(and I am being generous).
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If you can afford and are willing to pay your au pair that and give those extras then you are entitled.. I am sure she did not argue!! It is not the norm so I don't think it will have a huge imact on what the standard pay will be for others.
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Re: The Au Pair/Nanny employment thread

Hi
Please can anyone tell me if there are any childcare courses in Switzerland? I would like to do a course whilst working as a nanny, and preferably one in English.

Thanks!
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Re: The Au Pair/Nanny employment thread

Hi I have recently started working as a nanny in Vaud, near Nyon and would love to know if anyone has details of a nanny network, which would welcome me and my charge? We will travel to Geneva or Lausanne if we have to, but would love to meet other kids and thier nannies or carers, in our ares.
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Re: The Au Pair/Nanny employment thread

Hi
Any suggestions would be great!
We're moving to Lenzburg early 2008 from South Africa. Johann starts on the 1st of Feb and my interview is tomorrow...
My son (4) is Afrikaans speaking and I had in mind to engage an Afrikaans speaking teenager until he goes to school in August to help him with the adjustment.
After reading the rules, I realised that South Africans obviously don't need any Swiss exposure (only EU, US, NZ and Oz) and I'm not allowed to employ someone that can speak the only language my son understands - makes no sense to me...
Then I read that some people illegally use the 3 month tourist visa, but I don't want to jepordise my good relations with the Swiss government (hahaha!)
Any alternative suggestions?!?!
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Any suggestions would be great!
We're moving to Lenzburg early 2008 from South Africa. Johann starts on the 1st of Feb and my interview is tomorrow...
My son (4) is Afrikaans speaking and I had in mind to engage an Afrikaans speaking teenager until he goes to school in August to help him with the adjustment.
After reading the rules, I realised that South Africans obviously don't need any Swiss exposure (only EU, US, NZ and Oz) and I'm not allowed to employ someone that can speak the only language my son understands - makes no sense to me...
Then I read that some people illegally use the 3 month tourist visa, but I don't want to jepordise my good relations with the Swiss government (hahaha!)
Any alternative suggestions?!?!
SD
Goes to school in August? Where do you get that idea from? Is it a private school?
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Nannies - the general salary here is anywhere between 3500 and 4500. There will be no pension contribution in that amount but the social side from the employers side will be paid on top of this although you won't see it. The deductions from this brutto amount will be the normal swiss if it is done legally and nothing if you come to some sort of arrangement -although your rights in the latter case will be reduced!
I don't know about the rest of the country, but in Geneva the authorities and trade unions have become increasingly tough towards employers who do not offer the minimum wage prescribed in a collective agreement to their household help and do not pay the required contributions (AVS, LPP and LAA) and many cases end up in court. So having some sort of arrangements with a nanny is OK, but you need to be aware of the almost unlimited liability you expose youself to by becoming an employer in Switzerland.
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Goes to school in August? Where do you get that idea from? Is it a private school?
Sorry Richard - I was confused!!! I've been set right by a few teachers since this posting...In SA the school year starts in January and I'm not used to the European ways yet...
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Re: The Au Pair/Nanny employment thread

Just a comment about the salary level of an AuPair. Some of you think it is too low, others find it fine. Now in Switzerland there is still a strong tradition of doing a Practicum before your start your official apprenticeship. If you want to work in the area of child-care it would be normal that you do a year "Praktikum" in a family or in a child-care center beforehand. There are salary recommendations given out by the authorities for this and they typically range from 550 to 900 CHF/month depending on the age.

Thus, if you view the AuPair position as an equivalent to a Praktikum, the salary is actually perfectly fine considering the AuPair normally works less hours and has room and board included and has no child-care education what so ever.

So, I really don't think there is any reason to feel that the girls comming to work here as AuPairs are being exploited because of their low salary (they may however still be exploited because they have to work too many hours e.g.)

And yes, I know, the system of Praktikum is slowly disapering (mainly due to the changes in the educational system) but at the moment it is still alive and kicking :-)

Personally, I would prefere a Praktikantin to an AuPair actually because they are there to work while with an Au Pair you often get caught in the view that they should be a "family member" and that they are in a way exploited by you.
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Let me give you some information here.

Nannies - the general salary here is anywhere between 3500 and 4500. There will be no pension contribution in that amount but the social side from the employers side will be paid on top of this although you won't see it. The deductions from this brutto amount will be the normal swiss if it is done legally and nothing if you come to some sort of arrangement -although your rights in the latter case will be reduced!

Aupair - you hit the nail on the head here 700 is typical live in and max 35 hrs per week and only light house work. There are serious restrictions though on being an aupair such as only EU or US, Canada and OZ, NZL citizens can apply. The maximum stay is an L permit ie 18 months. You cannot share the same mother tongue as the family so if 1 is English and the other German speaking that cuts out half of Europe plus the other countries and you are subject to quotas in the same way as other employees. As you can imagine I see it all as part of the big conspiracy to stop mothers going to work...

If you want to discuss any points mentioned above, know where to advertise your services etc let me know.
I'll admit I haven't read through all the posts here but here's my view.... I was an Aupair in Switzerland (and then Paris) 2004-05. My first family was French speaking but they didn't pay for my language school (I was naive and only found out afterwards that they should have). They also only paid me chf500 per month and made me do intensive housework, and if I missed a bit I would be in trouble! It wasn't until I'd been with them for 6 months and had met other Aupairs that I realised what a crappy situation I was in, and by that point I was so attached to the kids I stayed four more months (sucker). I then went to work for a single Mum in Geneva, and she was Australian (I did no housework and was paid chf1000 per month, she was just interested in having someone dedicated to her child whilst she sorted out her house move to Paris, I went with them). I don't know if the language restriction is cantonal as there was no problem with us having the same mother tongue, and I know of two American and one South African Aupair in Basel who lived with English mother tongue families. I think the Aupairs do get paid more in the German speaking part, between 700-1000 seems normal, depending on how many kids and how much you expect them to do. Another thing my friends families did was pay for certain things, like their train abo or if they were going to go skiing a lot pay for their pass in addition to their salaries.
In the end I did have a great experience, I learnt French with the first family and made a great friend with the second, and then I met my fiance and we've stayed here
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Re: The Au Pair/Nanny employment thread

Hi
I'm not sure where the best place to post this question was but though someone on here may be able to help.

Does anyone know for an au pair on an au pair visa in Zurich whether the rule is 3 german language classes a week or 3 hours of language class a week? I've heard mixed things and wondered if anyone knew for sure.
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Re: The Au Pair/Nanny employment thread

Hi happyeverafter, I don't think it's understandable who you want to be your au pair..
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Please be my Au pair! Actually I dont need on at the moment but what you have written is genuine and so many people now a days seem to forget the purpose of the experience. Au pairs are not meant to be servants but they are also not on a "All expenses paid holiday" either! I have been very lucky as both my Au pairs over the years had understood that as part of the family unit they had to contribute to the daily chores required of every family member. We also enjoyed fantastic vacations together where they were off but still happily interacted with the children. I have heard of horror stories where Au pairs simply watch tv all day, empty the fridge and wont look sideways at the children, once "off duty". It seems a shame anyone should be involved in this sort of work if its "for the money" and not for cultural experience and love of children!

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Re: The Au Pair/Nanny employment thread

For those of you who have employed an Au Pair can you tell me what is the true cost? I know what I would have to pay legally, but what about the other stuff (food, petrol, meals taken ouside the house etc); does it all mount up to more than you would have expected?
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Re: The Au Pair/Nanny employment thread

Hi,
will have to ask my hubby, as its been a couple of years since, but it can add up as we took our Au pairs on holidays with us (which was almost every weekend...to a beach hotel, as at the time we lived in the city, in the Caribbean) Also whenever they eat out with the kids it can cost, but I have to admit I had lovely Au pairs who often treated the kids out of their own pockets. All I can say is, you dont get what you pay for, thats nonsense! I started out by paying a fortune for a nanny who after I had a long day at work, I would have to come home, pick up all scattered toys and clean up her and the childrens mess. She scolded me if I were even ten minutes late and the final straw came when I arrived early one day and she left my young child (about 13 months) in the bathroom and told me I could wash him, now that I had arrived "after all your his mother" So I tossed her out, theoretically speaking as there was no point employing someone with attitude, no matter how "qualified!" You just have to follow your instinct and hope its right and make clear your rules. Once you have found out the salary for your area (as different regions and countries vary in salary) decide what you can afford and offer it. Also give your Au Pair a week or so to adjust, they are normally exhausted from travelling and nerves and will appreciate the rest. I found my first AuPair on a site called eaupair and the second one a friend forced on me! Good luck and if you have any more questions, feel free to ask.
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