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Re: The Au Pair/Nanny employment thread

We have been searching high and low for a new nanny for a few weeks now. Lilliput website should win an award for being badly designed, but it has produced some candidates. Similarly you may want to visit nanny-agency.com. there are a LOT of women from thailand, india etc but once you create an 'account' (login) you can search in some detail. There are au pairs and nannies from the US and UK, also some living in switzerland.

I have a contract for a full time nanny, if anyone is interested. My wife - a lawyer - drafted it and I expect it could be easily adapted.

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I have heard from the family that I currently work for that Switzerland has tightened up the laws on non EU au pairs ie those from Australia, New Zealand , Canada etc. Apparently now it is required that the au pair be a member of a government approved agency before being able to work as an au pair in Switzerland. The problem being that as this law is only in power since January 1 2008 there are as yet no approved agencies.

Again I have heard this second hand so it would be worth looking into .... but it could throw a spanner in the works for those of you looking for a native english speaking au pair that does not have an EU passport...

Hope this helps...

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Katie, I believe this is true. I met the family I will be working for on aupair-world.net. Luckily, they happened to be living in Philadelphia, where I was going to school, so we were able to meet in person and realize we were a great match without using an agency. (They went back to Switzerland last week and I will be joining them soon.) The mother heard the same exact thing about the official agency requirement on a message board, so we decided that we would find an agency. We got in touch with an agency run by a woman who lived in Zurich and she seemed like she was going to be really helpful, so I filled out forms, got references, etc. Then she completely stopped returning our calls and e-mails! We still don't know why she flaked out on us like that - she had not been paid yet. I can't remember the name of her agency...

So we decided that in order to fulfill this official agency requirement we had to find a new agency...we discussed a few but the one we ended up going with was called Wind Connections (http://www.canadalink.ch/index.htm). Although they are a Canadian agency and usually only try to place Canadians and Australians in Switzerland, they made an exception for me because I had already met the family we we both said we were a great match. They took care of all the relations with the government and paperwork without any problems. (Although I am not actually in Switzerland yet, everything has gone smoothly so far!)

Sooo that was a pretty long story but what I really wanted to say was the Wind Connections seems to be a reputable agency that the government works with!
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Hi

I am astounded at how difficult it is to find childcare in Switzerland. Krippe places, Horts, mittagstisch and private krippe such as Montessori are all full for a long while to come... amazing!

I am looking for a part time Tagesmutter/nanny/au pair to cover 2 maybe 3 days a week in Dübendorf (just outside Zürich) starting asap so that I can work. I have a 2 and a 4 year old.

I am also posting on www.liliput.ch, www.kijiji.ch and Babysitting24.ch.

I am English and my husband is swiss so one or both of these languages would be ideal.

Please let me know should anyone have any contacts or leads!

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This is not massively helpful Suzanne but some of the Krippes in Uster have places available (not Wednesday though), if you can handle the additional journey each morning it might be a stop gap option.
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Old 04.09.2008, 10:10
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Families employing an au pair legally (No JOB ADS Please as au pair thread hijacked)

MOD - The au pair thread has got hijacked by au pairs and families looking for au pairs.

I wanted to put some words together regarding our experiences of finding an au-pair and legally employing her. These are pointers and your own family and Kanton
Situation should be looked at in detail before embarking on this journey.

Firstly finding an au pair – we wanted to limit our search to an EU au pair for ease of doing the paperwork ourself, getting the work permit etc.

Unlike the UK and other countries an au pair has to be employed as they were working in a proper job, ie they have to pay the social costs and tax like a normal worker. Furthermore they have to have the statutory accident, health and third party liability insurance.

Also a consideration is the nationality of the au pair. An au pair is a person who perhaps lives with a family and experiences living in a different culture than their own. Therefore if you are living in the German part of Switzerland, you cannot employ a German native speaker and if you speak mainly English at home, you cannot employ a native English speaker. So being a British family in the German part of Switzerland, we are already limited on where we can source our au pair from.

Unlike the UK where an au pair is just paid pocket money, the au pair has to be legally employed. This is an important consideration, since if the au pair has an accident, you may find that their insurance is not valid. Also child care is tax deductable at CHF4000 per year per child and the au pairs costs can be offset against your annual tax return.

Finding an au pair can be very difficult, agencies in Switzerland demand a lot of money and take the effort out of the family sorting out the paperwork etc.
There are websites, but we found a scam where there was a good au pair profile, but the person behind the profile was completely different. In the end we found an au pair from Hungary through my work contacts and at the moment it is working well.

Salary – We were advised that we would pay our 18 year old au pair CHF600 gross for 30 hours per week. We have decided as a family that we will pay her AVH (Social ) and tax contributions, in addition to this. Please note that if an au pair is living with you their food and lodging is seen as a additional benefit and therefore tax deductable. In our Kanton board and lodging is set at CHF920 per month. Therefore the au pair will be taxed at (CHF 600 + CHF920), their effective salary is CHF1520 / month.

Remember that as an employer, you have to pay additionally the employer AVH contributions.

It is also a legal requirement that the family provide the statutory medical, accident and third party liability insurance for the au pair. We could not find a real adequate Swiss insurance that covered, medical, accident,third party liability, travel, lost keys, pregnancy etc. In the end we turned to a special German insurance company who provided specialised au pair insurance.

Now the Gemeinde wasn`t too happy that we didn`t have Swiss Insurance. We had a letter from the German Insurance company saying that their insurance was valid in all Shengen countries of which Swizerland is a member. http://www.klemmer-aupair.com/en/introduction.html

This is the key. If you are coming here to Switzerland as a temporary worker then you do not need to have Swiss Medical, Accident and Third party liability for three years. I received a letter from the Gemeinde yesterday that wanted the stamp and signature from the insurance company in Germany saying that they meet the policy meets the minimum Swiss insurance requirement. The belt and braces policy for our au pair was EU45 per month, payable in instalments on a credit card. -

We then put together a contract for the au pair, outlining, hours of work, duties, salary, medical cover, disciplinary procedure etc. I am PM a blank copy if anyone is interested. It is in English and we are waiting to see whether the main parts needs to be translated into German for the authorities. Since writing the contract we have learnt that that an 18 year old is entitled to five weeks annual paid leave, instead of the four weeks, which we wrote in the contract.

So the au pair arrived and we registered her with the Gemeinde. We also registered her with the AHV Kasse (Social). I then went to the Post Office and opened a bank account for her, which you can do without a Bewilligung.

Is is also mandatory that she attends a language class, so we are looking into her options at the moment.

So – Two weeks in with our new au pair, so this is our experiences. I have probably forgot some stuff. If in doubt seek the advice of a local accountant, who can act on your behalf smoothing the way with the authorities.

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Re: Wages for nannies..

hello, I visited the website babysitting24.ch, where I found listing for nanny's and aupair. I myself am struggling at the bottom of the "food chain" and looking to find someone to help guide me through this process of relocation. The only experience I have as an aupair is being a mother of 2 kids.

I have a bachelors degree, and various job experience (in computers basically) and resorting to finding a job here in just about any industry. (yes, an act of temporary desperation or insanity...which ever you prefer). I did not transfer here with any company, and hoped to do things the hard way by arriving and sorting out the details. I want to work, I want to get my MBA, and I want to live and contribute to Switzerland. Oh and did I mention I only speak English!? So I am EAGERLY interested in learning German, as I have a slight background with that....

Can somebody please, please help me, help me?
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Re: The Au Pair/Nanny employment thread

We are going through this at the moment. It's not easy at all. We are lucky to have a Krippe opposite our house and luckily booked it up before our son was born so he's now there 4 days a week. Wednesday is a problem because the schools do a half day so the Krippe is full.

We are also facing the same issue everybody has mentioned here that we need to pick him up before 18:00. Although my current role allows it I really don't see me and Mrs Peachy being able to leave work at 17:00 every single day. This puts us in the au pair territory where we need somebody to pick him up after 18:00.

Has anybody thought of getting together with local people to tackle this together? It strikes me that even if we have somebody to do this we are completely dependent on them, if they can't make it for whatever reason we need to have a backup, and that will be very hard to find at short notice.

We have multiple parents in each area facing the same issue. If we can face to together we can probably work out some kind of scheme where if your nanny lets you down ours takes over and vice verse. It's only an idea and doesn't need to be intrusive, just for when things go bad.
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Re: Families employing an au pair legally (No JOB ADS Please as au pair thread hijack

WOW this is a wonderful bit of information! I can only add to this that an au pair job that I had embarked on in Zurich stopped dead in its tracks as there seems to be an age limit on the au pair, of 27. I am 37.
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Re: Families employing an au pair legally (No JOB ADS Please as au pair thread hijack

I think you've covered this and I'm partly posting in disbelief.

I am British my missus is French and we live in the German speaking part. If we want a full time au pair (from overseas) they must not speak any of these three languages fluently?

How can they expect to look after a child in Switzerland without being able to communicate in one of these languages to at least half decent level?
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I think you've covered this and I'm partly posting in disbelief.

I am British my missus is French and we live in the German speaking part. If we want a full time au pair (from overseas) they must not speak any of these three languages fluently?

How can they expect to look after a child in Switzerland without being able to communicate in one of these languages to at least half decent level?
You can say that the language of communication at home is one of the three languages and therefore you are back with finding an au pair which doesn`t speak any of the other two languages left. Convincing the authorities is key! In our search I was happy to look at Eastern Europe, since you are a native English speaker, you may be able to attract somebody who wants to learn English in Switzerland. Our Hungarian au pair speaks good English, I think she is getting used to our accents now and also some German, so she is not completely lost in this part of Switzerland.
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Re: The Au Pair/Nanny employment thread (no ads!)

Hi there,
I am struggling to find a nanny or au pair... I need someone from December onwards, my son will be one year old... I'm a full time working mum, and child care here is pretty hard to find...

Anyone know a day mummy ? or someone interested in taking care of my baby whilst I work...
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Hi there,
I am struggling to find a nanny or au pair... I need someone from December onwards, my son will be one year old... I'm a full time working mum, and child care here is pretty hard to find...

Anyone know a day mummy ? or someone interested in taking care of my baby whilst I work...
Thanks
Here is a list of Krippes in Uster.
http://www.google.ch/search?hl=fr&q=...cr%3DcountryCH
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Re: The Au Pair/Nanny employment thread (no ads!)

Thanks, I have been looking, there is a long waiting list for most.... but good of you to send... I have a bit of time until Xmas, and I really would like an English family, or nanny...au pair perhaps...we'll see..
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Re: The Au Pair/Nanny employment thread (no ads!)

Other thing that was commented to me by the Principal at our school was that even though there are long waiting lists, lots of parents put their child onto several lists - so even if the school thinks they have a long list - 80% of those families might choose somewhere else when enrolment time comes...

So do consider putting your child down on multiple lists (like everyone else seems to do) if you would consider Krippe...

it is a real headache for the schools too because they have to maintain relationships with so many 'potential' enrolments that are going to end up having several offers from several places and then have to choose what they want to do!

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Thanks, I have been looking, there is a long waiting list for most.... but good of you to send... I have a bit of time until Xmas, and I really would like an English family, or nanny...au pair perhaps...we'll see..
Remember and I am assuming that you are a native English speaker that an au pair comes to Switzerland on an cultural exchange program. Therefore it is not allowed at all for you to legally hire a German or English speaking au pair if you are a English speaking family living in a German speaking Canton.
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I'm a nanny who is shared between two families. I came up with the idea when I realised that the only people who could afford to pay me what I think I'm worth were rich tossers who believed that hired help didn't were some sort of second class citizens. The people who I wanted to work for weren't so high up the economic ladder but had a far better attitude. So I found 2 such families and made a good price for them both. They each pay less for child care and my wages have increased to actually more than when I worked for the bankers. I look after both families boys on the same days and it's a win-win-win situaton. I get more pay, the parents have to pay less and the kids are now great mates.
I hope th be taking on a third family soon, a little girl this time for a bit of balance.
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Re: The Au Pair/Nanny employment thread (no ads!)

I think this is a great idea. I would love to find another family to share our nanny with not just to share the cost but so my little monster could have a friend to play with since there are not so many playgroups for 2 year olds available.

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I'm a nanny who is shared between two families. I came up with the idea when I realised that the only people who could afford to pay me what I think I'm worth were rich tossers who believed that hired help didn't were some sort of second class citizens. The people who I wanted to work for weren't so high up the economic ladder but had a far better attitude. So I found 2 such families and made a good price for them both. They each pay less for child care and my wages have increased to actually more than when I worked for the bankers. I look after both families boys on the same days and it's a win-win-win situaton. I get more pay, the parents have to pay less and the kids are now great mates.
I hope th be taking on a third family soon, a little girl this time for a bit of balance.
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It always works better if the employer advertises for a share family rather than the nanny.
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I would be happy to share a nanny, if this was the only option available... I mean it's so difficult trying to find a solution, working full time, and being a single mother... I wonder if there is anyone interested in sharing, perhaps it would be benifical for the children & parents.. pls contact me if anyone is interested...
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Re: The Au Pair/Nanny employment thread (no ads!)

What is the going rate for a live-out au pair?

From the posts on this thread I understand that Fr.1500 includes board & lodging, german lessons, contributions, etc.

Therefore, a live-out au pair would get Fr.1500 minus German lessons? Is my understanding correct?
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Re: The Au Pair/Nanny employment thread (no ads!)

hi there...the problem with taking on a live-out aupair is the cost of living in Switzerland is so high a single person would not be able to survive on that wage. An aupair is usually a young student from another country that has come here to learn another language,so unless you employed a swiss person that already had accomodation then you would find it hard to get a live-out aupair,so then the alternative becomes a live-out nanny but then the cost for one of those becomes greater 3000-4000chf on average. (I myself am a nanny)

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