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Heya All

I have just finished my Au Pair contract with the Family that I came here to work with and I loved it.

I Found my contract through www.aupairworld.net or was it www.greataupair.com ?? not sure but both websites will give you all the legal information relating to Switzerland and also for other countries.

My wage as a live in Au Pair was a total of CHF1500 per month and from that Lodging was deducted ( CHF900 pm) Half of my german language course, half of my health insurance ( which is mandatory ) AHV and the other pensions.And any meals not eaten with the family I was given money for ( but not much ) All of this was according to the law.

Apparently I was one of the last Australians to get an Au Pair Visa as they were trying to keep the positions for EU citizens - I dont know how true this is though.

As was mentioned in another post - treat your Au Pair with respect and care and you will get it back. But as for the pay , any girl or boy going into an Au Pairing Contract should be more than well aware of what the salary is. One doesnot do this job for the money - one does it for the experience!!

If you have any questions please feel free to contact me - I would love to help some of you out but the family that I worked for last year have asked me to continue working for them as a nanny. Pay for that is, better but as per law, for a "Tagesmutter" CHF8 per hour per child.

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HI everyone,
We are an international (also swiss) family with now two kids, living in CH and both until now working. I have experience in the law and aupairs and childcare search.
So to whoever reads this and started this thread:
1) Kinderkrippe: very expensive as mentioned by others: around 2000.- /month but for full time MOn-Friday service. but quite unflexible on pick-up/drop-off times, and remember when the child is ill you STILL HAVE TO PAY, but the CHILD CANNOT GO., oh and ofcourse usually waiting lists.
2) tagesmutter: good deal, not too expensive, as mentioned above, but like kinderkrippe you have to find a real good one who is also flexible, and preferably in the village you are living, as well as someone with same educational ethics.
3)Nanny: very expensive... 3000-5000CHF Brutto ofcourse, so unless you earn in the high 6 digit salaries (single income) I don't now if you can really afford it. THe mother also has to ask herself, does she really want to pay so much money for someone else to enjoy her kids while she works her ass off? although some do not have the choice. if you do something to think about.
4)Au Pair: 50/50 chance, I have had swiss and non swiss, I believe I am sticking to the Swiss if I can from now on (no offense to non Swiss)...just finished with a horrible situation with international au pair, which some of you here were kind enough to comment on and attack me for abuse, although a complete lie, so WARNING to all those looking for good child care, either pay up the money for good profesionnals, or if that is not possible financially and you don't mind having someone live with you than au pair is a good idea (considering all risks ofcourse). they actually DO not cost only 700.- as this is NET as Katie here mentioned as one has to take into consideration living expenses, such as accomodation, food (which you also have to pay her if she is on vacation and away) as well as social charge, taxes, insurance, and school.... Mine got CHF1635/ brutto. (Just so you know, I believe it also s low salary to pay for the hard work they actually have to do, but in South Africa an office employee of a good company works for 15000Chf a YEAR)...
ALL of this is worth it when you land on a good egg as I believe this katie girl was as it sounds, and as I have experienced with two of my girls, who now also have LIFETime bonds with my daughter. Since they were good I paid them up 1000CHF /month net and gave them CHF500 bonus everytime they did something great with the kids (one even helped teach my daughter to speak at 18 months: 20 words a day).
THINK HARD though cause some are bad eggs, they steal and lie, and oh yes do not forget they are not professionals so you still have to keep a close eye on them until they have earned your trust (I made that mistake) and DON'T be too generous (as in don't buy their plane ticket for them), until they have earned it (also made that mistake). Pay what you need, and then give them extra when they have earned it.
5)Praktikantin: Read in a thread this is an option! thought about it too, thought though you had to be yourself, some sort of professional childcare person, or studied child psychiatry. but apparently not... and they only cost CHF500 net I assume as they mentioned in another thread. And I thought forums were a waste of time...now I also learned something.
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oh yes, and the www.aupairworld.net is quite good, but you need to pay a fee of about EURO30 to get the contact information in case you find someone you like...
otherwise profilia is the better choice for au pairs as they help with all legal issues, and are not too expensive.
for nanny yes www.perfectway.ch (if that's the right address) is also good, so I've heard... just expensive ofcourse. (what isn't in Switzerland?)...
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Now that's a bargain! Does one have to have a child, or could I get one just for scrubbing?

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.........5)Praktikantin: Read in a thread this is an option! thought about it too, thought though you had to be yourself, some sort of professional childcare person, or studied child psychiatry. but apparently not... and they only cost CHF500 net I assume as they mentioned in another thread. And I thought forums were a waste of time...now I also learned something.
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i am a nanny in basel and would also like to find a network of other nannies in the city. i came here from the US for this job and am finding that a lot of the caregivers are either the mothers or grandmothers. i have yet to meet any nannies!

also i think nannies should be paid very well, going back to the previous posts. i won't say my salary but i do have the swiss pension and healthcare as well as a decent salary that allows me to live outside their home.

i have been a nanny for many years and i agree with whoever said that 'these are our children' and that nannies should be compensated for all the work that we do all day long....

i have met too many nannies in my life that are seriously underpaid so they don't really want to do more than just keep an eye on the children they are in charge of.

personally i view it as a fun time to teach kids about life, art, music, manners and so on. i am here teaching two children the english language and i hope i am picking up a little bit of german (the family is german living in basel).

anyhoo, just my two cents.

if anyone knows any nannies in basel city that would rock!

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I live in Zurich and have been informed by the office of emigration that since we don't speak German at home (English only) we are not permitted to hire an Au Pair, only a nanny. Can anyone advise if this is true or if there is a way around this rule?

Also, can anyone point me to a source of information on the regulations for hiring a nanny (ie salary, hours etc)?

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There are some threads about this here somewhere. I know Engish speaking families can have au pairs but they cannot have the same mother tongue as the family, making it complicated but not impossible.
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Yes indeed I can do both... www.perfectway.ch expect to pay 3300 per month total.
This was a great resource! Thanks!!
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Hi all,

There's some great information on this thread.

I'm a single parent to a 5 year old boy. I'll be relocating to Basel over the next month and my son will join me end of May. He will be enrolled in the local school system (I'll know which one when i find somewhere to live!) hopefully in the Arlesheim canton (Baselland).

I will be working full time, usual office hours - I'm not on a huge wage, so could not afford a nanny, the day care places also seem really expensive...

My son will go to kindergarten so I would be looking for someone to drop him off, pick him up, take him to parks (or the such like) where he could meet other local kids. Also someone to care for him during the summer holidays.

Would a live-in aupair be my best option do you think? Would the total cost of an aupair (insurances/language school/accommodation/board etc) still be less than the cost of day care? (Must admit the thought of getting some help with the housework and cooking does seem really attractive!)

Or how about a shared family child carer? Are there many of these out there???

Any advice or experiences you would like to share would be really appreciated.

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There's some great information on this thread.

I'm a single parent to a 5 year old boy. I'll be relocating to Basel over the next month and my son will join me end of May. He will be enrolled in the local school system (I'll know which one when i find somewhere to live!) hopefully in the Arlesheim canton (Baselland).

I will be working full time, usual office hours - I'm not on a huge wage, so could not afford a nanny, the day care places also seem really expensive...

My son will go to kindergarten so I would be looking for someone to drop him off, pick him up, take him to parks (or the such like) where he could meet other local kids. Also someone to care for him during the summer holidays.

Would a live-in aupair be my best option do you think? Would the total cost of an aupair (insurances/language school/accommodation/board etc) still be less than the cost of day care? (Must admit the thought of getting some help with the housework and cooking does seem really attractive!)

Or how about a shared family child carer? Are there many of these out there???

Any advice or experiences you would like to share would be really appreciated.

Thanks!!!
it is not so cheap to have an au pair, to find one and get them the visa. You also have to pay for language school, pension, medical and accident insurance and go through the beaurocracy of the visa. You then have to do the au pairs tax return.

Also please note that you cannot have an au pair who is native German speaking (Since you are in Basel Land) and native English speaking (Since you are from the UK), this includes all English speaking countries.

Language school we found was the biggest killer, CHF1200 per semester. (Had to be an approved course by the canton 120hrs total per year).

Wages CHF 250 / week, Au pair health Insurance CHF50 / month from a German company.http://www.klemmer-gruppe.com/en/sea...=international Accident insurance CHF250 per year, then you have the social and tax costs. You can offset costs against your tax return.

I will say something about Medical Insurance - An au pairs position is temporary, ie they come for a period of time up to 18 months then leave Switzerland as opposed to a permanent resident. Because of this fact they can have Medical insurance from abroad. They doesn`t appear to be insurance in Switzerland to cover all eventualities of an au pair, ie pregnancy, deportation, accidents etc. The company above offer special medical insurance, however they had to sign a paper from the Kanton that said it met the basic requirement of the Swiss medical system. Bottom line - belt and braces insurance for a fraction of the cost of Swiss Insurance. It covers specifically the need of an au pair.

Its best to get a local accountant who will help you with the au pair visa and dealing with the authorities.

Also when the child goes to school, you will need a Krippe or somewhere he can go to at Lunch, since most schools don't have lunch facilities. Talk to your employee and see what suggestions they have.

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Re: The Au Pair/Nanny employment thread (no ads!)

On an other tread I translated the regulation for Au-Pairs as follow, and it is the seam for all cantons in Switzerland acording to there represent autorities:


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Ok I took the time to translate (as good as I could) the information sheet found at the internet site from AVA Zürich.

The original information can be found here: http://www.arbeitsbewilligungen.zh.c...aupair_de.html

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Translation from information sheet Amt für Wirtschaft und Arbeit (AWA) Zürich

In relation to the contract with the EU about Au-Pair workers are a young person which comes to a country to learn a language and for general education in culture. The language of the country is another then the language of the Au-Pair and the Au-Pair will do light works at the household to earn here living expenses.

Permission will be given in relation to the foreigner regulation (AuG/Verordung VZAE/ Weisung VEP) Permission in Zürich will come from the AWA.

- Permission for Au-Pairs will be given to EU-EFTA citizens and can be given also for person of third counties.

- Au-Pairs contracts from a third country (not EU-EFTA) will be have to be proofed by a registered agency with refer to the Arbeitsvermittlungsgesetz AVG.

- The age of an Au-Pair from a third country has to be between 18 to 25 years. Au-Pairs form EU 8 Staats between 17 to 30 years.

- The host family and the region should be part of an other language then the one from the Au-Pair. In Zürich the language in the host family and the region should be German.

- The working hours must not be more then 30 hours a week by one full free day during the week.

- At minimum one 2 day free time must be ones a month over a weekend.

- The housewife or houseman must be present in the house at minimum 50% of the working time from the Au-Pair.

- The work for the Au-Pair must be light work in household and child care and the Au-Pair must receive a salary for it.

- The visit of a language course in the local language for the Au-Pair is a must with at least 120 hours a year. The host family must look for the school before permission will be given.

- The Au-Pair has the right to live in the family house with her own room

- No permission will be given for an Au-Pair to families or single persons without children.

- The finance of the family must be in good condition

The general working contract regulation are the one for Hauswirtschaftliche Arbeitnehmer im Kanton Zürich.

The employer obliged that he/she will take care for he school visits of the Au-Pair and is responsible for any questions and problems with the Au-Pair. The start of the school must be within 4 weeks after arrival of the Au-Pair. The cost for the language course must be payed by the host family. The minimum amount for net salary is regulated in refer of the size of the family and must be between CHF 700.-- to CHF 800.— a month.

Should the Au-Pair not eat with the family on free days the money for eating has to be paid to the Au-Pair referring the regulation form the AHV. In time of vacancies the Au-Pair has a right to receive the whole salary including natural salary in CHF referring the regulation from AHV. Au-Pairs must be insured against llness and accidents with refer to the Unfallversicherungsgesetzt. The taxes, social security expenses, 50% of the health insurance and the full amount for non-occupational accident insurance can be taken from the Au-Pairs salary. The tax regulation starts when the Au-Pair is 19 years old.

Questions can be asked by Hauswirtschaft Zürich, Florastr. 48, 8008 Zürich or Pro Filia, Beckenhofstr. 16, 8006 Zürich.

Au-Pairs from third country can entry only after they received there permission from the Migrationsamtes des Kanton Zürich.

Au-Pairs form EU/EFTA countries are under the regulation of Aufenthalt und Kurzaufenthaltsbewilligungen EU/EFTA.

Requests for Emploery must go to the Amt für Wirtschaft und Arbeit. With the request the forms „Erklärung zur Einstellung von Au-Pair Angestellten“, „Einreisegesuch“ and „Zusatzblatt für Gastfamilen“ must be send in.
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Aditional information form AWA Zürich

- The maximum duration for an Au-Pair contract is 12 month.
- For Au-Pairs form EU-EFTA countries the seam regulation as for Au-Pairs from third countries are valid with the exception that they can stay maximum two years
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Re: The Au Pair/Nanny employment thread (no ads!)

I just looked up also if I can find information about nanny workers.

Basically nanny workers are regulated the seam way as all workers in other branches.

Important for EU-Countries is, that there are regulation called "Flankierende Massnahmen" that paid salary, vacancies, working hours a.s.w is not less then for workers from Switzerland.

Important for non EU-Countries is, that a employee do have to show, that he/she can not find someone in Switzerland and the EU-Countries to get a permit.

The regulated working contract valid for all workers in households is the "Normalarbeitsvertrag für hauswirtschaftliche Arbeitnehmer"

Here is a link for the regulation - but it is in German only
http://www2.zhlex.zh.ch/appl/zhlex_r.nsf/WebView/863D741B02481BE7C125725A003B4B3A/$File/821.12_29.5.91_55.pdf

For the questions about the salary for a nanny I think its according to the salary suggestion for "Hauswirtschaftspraktikerin / Hauswirtschaftspraktiker EBA"

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- ohne IV-Rente
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- selbständige Mitarbeitende
ab Fr. 3’400.- (kant. Mindestlohn) exkl. 13. Monatslohn

http://www.hauswirtschaftbern.ch/fil...erufsleute.pdf

"Please use the information as a guideline as I am not employing nannies myself"
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Hi, I'm new here and hoping you guys can help!

I have been offered an au pair job in Zurich, they are offering 600CHF net a month. I've had a look online for what au pairs get paid in Switzerland and it seems to vary a lot - from 500-800. Does anyone know what a typical au pair wage in Zurich is?

Also, the family say since I'm from the UK I should still be covered by the NHS, so there is no need for them to provide ay additional health insurance for me - anyone know if this is right?
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What nationality is the family, this is important, since they must not be native English speakers. 600 CHF is a minimum salary and they should pay for language courses and your medical insurance. NHS won`t cover you here.
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Hi, I'm new here and hoping you guys can help!

I have been offered an au pair job in Zurich, they are offering 600CHF net a month. I've had a look online for what au pairs get paid in Switzerland and it seems to vary a lot - from 500-800. Does anyone know what a typical au pair wage in Zurich is?

Also, the family say since I'm from the UK I should still be covered by the NHS, so there is no need for them to provide ay additional health insurance for me - anyone know if this is right?
That bit about health insurance sounds totally wrong. Everyone resident in Switzerland has to have some form of health insurance and the NHS is not an option. Your employer is probably thinking of the E111 scheme which only covers tourist type visitors.

When you come to work here and get your permit from the community, you will also receive a letter informing you to get adequate health coverage; you will just have to negotiate with your employer whether it is you or them that pays but as it is in the region of CHf 300 per month that would eat into your CHF 600 offered salary.

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What nationality is the family, this is important, since they must not be native English speakers. 600 CHF is a minimum salary and they should pay for language courses and your medical insurance. NHS won`t cover you here.
The father is a native English speaker and the mother is Polish - I think they have had Polish au pairs in the past. Do you think this sounds a bit dodgy then?
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That bit about health insurance sounds totally wrong. Everyone resident in Switzerland has to have some form of health insurance and the NHS is not an option. Your employer is probably thinking of the E111 scheme which only covers tourist type visitors.

When you come to work here and get your permit from the community, you will also receive a letter informing you to get adequate health coverage; you will just have to negotiate with your employer whether it is you or them that pays but as it is in the region of CHf 300 per month that would eat into your CHF 600 offered salary.

I would definitely check this out.
Thanks, I thought it sounded a bit unlikely too!
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You will not get the residents visa, since the father is English. Also for the visa they would have to prove that you had medical cover. I suggest therefore that they wouldn`t be employing you legally.

The CHF600 is spending (pocket) money assuming a live in position, you will never get rich as an au pair since in essence it is a cultural exchange program. This is why the family pay the medical and language courses.
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I know it will just be spending money, and I'm not expecting to be paid lots. But I'd rather not be underpaid in comparison to other au pairs either!
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I know it will just be spending money, and I'm not expecting to be paid lots. But I'd rather not be underpaid in comparison to other au pairs either!
More than that you want to be above board and tickety-boo when it comes to paperwork, etc. Otherwise you might find your au pair plans cut short.

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OK, so I spoke to the family again and they said they can employ me as a nanny rather than an au pair, so the language thing isn't an issue.

Also, I can apply for a health insurance exemption as a student and so only need the European Health Insurance Card.

I still wonder if CHF600 is quite a low wage for Zurich though
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