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Old 08.06.2009, 18:55
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Also, I can apply for a health insurance exemption as a student and so only need the European Health Insurance Card.

I still wonder if CHF600 is quite a low wage for Zurich though
It is not designed as a wage - its pocket money, that is why it is low. - Yes you can apply for exception, however you need insurance that meets the minimum requirement for Switzerland and the European Health Insurance card doesn`t meet this requirement. Remember you are working here.

Call their bluff and ask them to start the visa process and if they get the visa you should be OK. The authorities will make sure that you have an adequate wage and that you have minimum health insurance before they will grant the visa.
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I realise it's pocket money, but I am just wondering if it is low for pocket money - it's hard to find anything to compare it against.

Do I actually need a visa?
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Old 08.06.2009, 19:12
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Visa (work permit) call it what you want, sorry I am old fashioned.

The CHF600 is designed to be there to help you live in Switzerland to cover every day thinks like bars of chocolate, days out etc. It depends on your point of view, re the CHF600 per month ie you have no living expenses, are you here for the experience, the language, hot summers cold winters, a different culture etc. We paid our au pair CHF1000 per month, but with that there was the language school, medical insurance, au pairs tax and social costs, so for the family it is not a cheap option.
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Visa (work permit) call it what you want, sorry I am old fashioned.

The CHF600 is designed to be there to help you live in Switzerland to cover every day thinks like bars of chocolate, days out etc. It depends on your point of view, re the CHF600 per month ie you have no living expenses, are you here for the experience, the language, hot summers cold winters, a different culture etc. We paid our au pair CHF1000 per month, but with that there was the language school, au pairs tax and social costs, so for the family it is not a cheap option.
I understand what pocket money is for, but if most au pairs are getting CHF700 then I'd rather have that than CHF600! Is CHF1000 particularly high? Or was that before tax and the cost of the language course?
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CHF1000 was take home pay, we paid the tax additionally. Cost of a recognized language course 120 hrs CHF2500 per year.

You can always negociate the rate, but I think the authorities will throw it out this salary for a nanny, since they earn between CHF3 -4K / month from memory.

The work permit would take 3 months at least to come through and I believe that you cannot work until this has come through.
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does anyone know what i would be expected to pay in tax on a CHF 900 au pair salary/pocket money? That is also quite confusing..it's not considered a wage and yet it is taxable?
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We paid 700 CHF for our au pair, but if she helped out outside her hrs I paid her full rate babysitting money per hour. Also, if she came out with us I paid her food, coffees etc. Basiclly I thought you were supposed to treat the au pair like an elser child. PLus we gave her a nice IPOD when she left as a good bye gift! She seemed happy.
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does anyone know what i would be expected to pay in tax on a CHF 900 au pair salary/pocket money? That is also quite confusing..it's not considered a wage and yet it is taxable?
Please ask the family, normally they would deal with the tax issues as they are your employer. What permit do you hold? Is the family also paying your AVH? There is no such thing as pocket money in Switzerland. All earnings are taxable, plus there is the social costs, medical insurance and the costs of language courses. It may be that your family have decided to pay you CHF900 / month in your hand , but all the taxes are in addition to this and therefore will have to be met later by the family when they file your tax return at the end of the year.
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Hello, I've accepted a position as an Au pair in Geneva. The family is paying me 800CHF per month, 50% of my health insurance, and 100% of my French classes. I will have to pay the other half of my health insurance. Taxes and social security will be deducted from my pay.

I'm trying to plan for all of my expenses, and I wonder if any of you know how much I can expect to be deducted for social security and taxes? Ballpark estimates would be very helpful! Also, my host mom said she thinks there is a basic health care plan for something like 100CHF per month (so I would pay 50) - does this sound right? Any help would be appreciated

I'm hoping after all the expenses I'll still have enough to live on!

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My husband and I are moving out here for 2 years with our 3 children. Our current au pair has decided she wants to stay in the UK as she is happy attending language classes there and has built up a lot of friends. So I have to start all over again. I would like to continue using the agency that I've been with for the last few years but can anyone tell me if they need to have special registration here? I have read through all of this thread and it seems many people are talking about using on-line agencies so one assumes there is no problem with visas etc. Another piece of advice is that au pairswill need to be registered through Aufenthalt und Kurzaufenthaltsbewilligungen. So can my British agency do this for me or will I have to find a Swiss one to do it.

I want to carry on using them because I can choose an au pair by looking at their videos which are on their web site. I prefer doing it like this because I can instantly see what their English is like..

If I have to go through a Swiss agency then does anyone have any recommendations. Is there another who have a similar service to what I've been used to. Their web site is http://www.1stchoiceaupairs.co.uk

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Any other Mums with au pairs in the Lausanne - Morges - Bussigny region then drop me a line. My husband is already in Switzerland..Me and the children will be coming out next week..

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Yes, Au-pairs are typically paid 700-900 over here and yes you are right it IS UNDERPAID. I used to be an aupair a few years ago and I assure no matter what is included (rent, food, language course) this isn' t enough. It makes me cringe when I hear parents talking about how this is a perfectly fine wage.

These are your CHILDREN do you really wanna bargain on their care? You pay someone just enough and they'll do just enough but they will not be happy in Switzerland on that wage. Au pairs hangout with each other and moan about their jobs to each other. On that wage I ate never outside the house except the odd falafel which was a real treat. I was hardly able to leave Zurich and when I did it was on less then a "budget" travel.

For any parents looking to for a "good" aupair pay them well and they will treat your children well. Give them the bare minimum and that's all you can expect in return.
Well done i fully agree with every thing you say about Au_pairs.. beeing under paid.. Nanny gets much more
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3)Nanny: very expensive... 3000-5000CHF Brutto ofcourse, so unless you earn in the high 6 digit salaries (single income) I don't now if you can really afford it. THe mother also has to ask herself, does she really want to pay so much money for someone else to enjoy her kids while she works her ass off? although some do not have the choice. if you do something to think about.
4)Au Pair: 50/50 chance, I have had swiss and non swiss, I believe I am sticking to the Swiss if I can from now on (no offense to non Swiss)...just finished with a horrible situation with international au pair, which some of you here were kind enough to comment on and attack me for abuse, although a complete lie, so WARNING to all those looking for good child care, either pay up the money for good profesionnals, or if that is not possible financially and you don't mind having someone live with you than au pair is a good idea (considering all risks ofcourse). they actually DO not cost only 700.- as this is NET as Katie here mentioned as one has to take into consideration living expenses, such as accomodation, food (which you also have to pay her if she is on vacation and away) as well as social charge, taxes, insurance, and school.... Mine got CHF1635/ brutto. (Just so you know, I believe it also s low salary to pay for the hard work they actually have to do, but in South Africa an office employee of a good company works for 15000Chf a YEAR)...
ALL of this is worth it when you land on a good egg as I believe this katie girl was as it sounds, and as I have experienced with two of my girls, who now also have LIFETime bonds with my daughter. Since they were good I paid them up 1000CHF /month net and gave them CHF500 bonus everytime they did something great with the kids (one even helped teach my daughter to speak at 18 months: 20 words a day).
THINK HARD though cause some are bad eggs, they steal and lie, and oh yes do not forget they are not professionals so you still have to keep a close eye on them until they have earned your trust (I made that mistake) and DON'T be too generous (as in don't buy their plane ticket for them), until they have earned it (also made that mistake). Pay what you need, and then give them extra when they have earned it.
5)Praktikantin: Read in a thread this is an option! thought about it too, thought though you had to be yourself, some sort of professional childcare person, or studied child psychiatry. but apparently not... and they only cost CHF500 net I assume as they mentioned in another thread. And I thought forums were a waste of time...now I also learned something.
GOOD LUCK...

Hi all,
I found so manny hard words on Au Pairs and verry HIGH payed nannys..i think is a difficult situation for both parts but having a nanny doesent neceserely means that the mother can`t enyoy her child or the nanny enyoys beiing a kind of monther all the time...or some of the mothers thinks like that because they feel guilty in spending not enough time with their child but than they should take that time.a Nanny salary is regulary payed as another regular job and i finde it fare enough because those Nannys they dedicate their self for your child!And giving them their best in their education watching out for their health(body,minde,emotional)and just beeing their for them any time that child needs ask for.About the Au Pairs yes is posible to have the wrong but doesent mean that they steal,lie or what ever i can tell an experience about a family with 3 children i worked at as Au pair a time ago.I found this family true greataupair.com i was payed 1000 CHF a month 42 hours a week what is alot! i worked my as off the children they were small between 1 and 3 year and of corse we talked about loight housework in the end i did everything every week once huge house cleaning because the house was big so i was also their cleaning lady dooing ironing washing cooking everyday clean cleaning bathroom celler changeing bed for everybody!and so on...i payed half of my insurance and i got free school one semester in Migros wich is not the best for improving German(talking from experience)the food was included but even i was out never payed or on vacations .My woking papers were done for the last 3 month and i worked their 6 so dear Au Pairs watch out to wich family you get and after 6 months that i could not take the s... anymore i told them i would leave but not before another month like in the contract stayed that we need to mension one month before we cancel the contract(fare enough for both parts)they found quiqly another Au Pair bringing her their 2 weeks earlyer and announcing me that i must empty my room so i could stay on the streets if i would`t have known people arround,off corse fromm my 1000CHF salary i could just dream getting instead 300 and something they just wrote an e-mail because of taxes and free time i took what was not my will,some of the afternoons she just took the kids and she said that i could get free so i had no word..i was keeping in touch with the other au pair and she just left after one month she could not take it anymore she had bigger problems the monther screamed to her because she udes the house phone when her parents were calling and such things and putting her cleaning after her working hours and so on ...unbeliveble things but there are all kind of families also not just au-pairs.Unfortunately i did not have a contract with the greataupair company that i could do more in my right..but i dont finde it fare that familys are takeing international aupairs bring them here use them and when they dont like something or the contract is finished they just do what they want and the most of au pairs they go home and can do nothing against from their contry, they should at least respect the contract if they are not able to respect eachother.
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I just wanted to make a point here that an au pair, nanny & housekeeper are all completely different positions.

I worked as an au pair for two different families in my 20's and as a nanny for about 5 different families in 3 different countries. I was an elementary school teacher in my native country (US) so have many years experience with kids between 4-14.

I was surprised when I moved here years ago how many families are looking for a "nanny/housekeeper" for their 2-4 children and want to pay under the table for services (I was offered 11 CHF an hour by one very well off Dutch/Swiss family with 3 children). Another family I very briefly helped out paid me 15 CHF an hour and expected me to do all of their laundry and ironing once the 3 children were sleeping. I had to explain that I didn't even do my own ironing and had no idea how to properly iron stacks of men's business shirts every evening.

So, just a tip: if you are looking for a nanny and a housekeeper hire TWO people, pay TWO salaries or do your own ironing after 9 hours of work, thanks.

Of course things that involve the kids like cleaning up after eating, putting away the toys, etc. are the responsibility of the nanny or au pair. But trying to squeeze every minute of time from someone you hired to CARE FOR YOUR CHILDREN is not acceptable.

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People employ nanny / housekeepers here as a single role as it is much easier to get a work permit with the combined job. I don't see anything wrong with this as long as the employee is paid a decent salary and has reasonable working hours. Just because you worked for a crap employer does not mean all employers are like that, I would hope your experience is the exception & not the rule.

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I just wanted to make a point here that an au pair, nanny & housekeeper are all completely different positions.

I worked as an au pair for two different families in my 20's and as a nanny for about 5 different families in 3 different countries. I was an elementary school teacher in my native country (US) so have many years experience with kids between 4-14.

I was surprised when I moved here years ago how many families are looking for a "nanny/housekeeper" for their 2-4 children and want to pay under the table for services (I was offered 11 CHF an hour by one very well off Dutch/Swiss family with 3 children). Another family I very briefly helped out paid me 15 CHF an hour and expected me to do all of their laundry and ironing once the 3 children were sleeping. I had to explain that I didn't even do my own ironing and had no idea how to properly iron stacks of men's business shirts every evening.

So, just a tip: if you are looking for a nanny and a housekeeper hire TWO people, pay TWO salaries or do your own ironing after 9 hours of work, thanks.

Of course things that involve the kids like cleaning up after eating, putting away the toys, etc. are the responsibility of the nanny or au pair. But trying to squeeze every minute of time from someone you hired to CARE FOR YOUR CHILDREN is not acceptable.

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People employ nanny / housekeepers here as a single role as it is much easier to get a work permit with the combined job. I don't see anything wrong with this as long as the employee is paid a decent salary and has reasonable working hours. Just because you worked for a crap employer does not mean all employers are like that, I would hope your experience is the exception & not the rule.
I gave a couple local examples but have experience for many years and it's very common.

These ads are everywhere, in every country. The ads seeking nanny/housekeeping positions do not help much either. To me caring properly for children is a professional type job and not just something any random person can do well. But plenty of people do seem to think this and look for a 2 in one deal.

To me nanny/housekeeper are two different positions. If you want to get a work permit for a combined job pay accordingly or be VERY clear about what you are hiring for.

When caring for an infant it is not ridiculous to expect the nanny to also do some housework, especially everything that has to do with the baby. Infants sleep a lot. Or if you hire and pay someone all day and the kids are in school. Certainly the person can clean and do some housework between 8-3 or when the child is in school. *BUT* if you have multiple children, especially under 5, do not expect the person you are hiring to care for your child and then scrub your floors while the child naps.
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Re: The Au Pair/Nanny employment thread (no ads!)

I have a bit of a twist for the Nanny thread. I have searched EF and have been unable to find an answer until now. My wife and I both live and work in Switzerland and we would like to bring a Nanny from the U.S. to watch our kids. It seems there is a bit of an issue to get a Visa for an American to be our Nanny as per the Visa application office there are enough Nannies that can do this from the EU. Has anyone on EF been successful to get a Visa for an American to be a Nanny here in Switzerland? I am looking for any success stories to get a Visa for a US citizen in a Nanny position (not an Au Pair).

Thanks in advance..
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Hi All ,

The norm is to pay your aupair 700-900 chf , Pay 50% of Health Insurance. And provide the aupair with a Language course. I would say reward your aupair according to the amount of work she does.

Your able to employ a aupair outside of the EU , Non US , OZ , NZ , Authorities work on a quota system. I'm South African and got a permit for 12 months.

I get paid 800chf a month. I have 3 years experience. Work 35- 40 Hrs a week. Full care of a infant (5 months) and a toddler (2.5). Do all the cleaning ( 2 a week). Cook two hot meals a day. Responsible for the sole cleaning after meals. Also in charge of all the trash...... Ironing etc, Basically I'm responsible for everything happening around. I don't get a meal allowance for the meals that I miss at home neither do I receive a travel card.

End Result = An overworked and underpaid aupair.

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You are not an Au Pair you are a grossly underpaid & overworked nanny/housekeeper. Did you know these would be your working conditions? Can you change jobs on your work permit?

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The norm is to pay your aupair 700-900 chf , Pay 50% of Health Insurance. And provide the aupair with a Language course. I would say reward your aupair according to the amount of work she does.

Your able to employ a aupair outside of the EU , Non US , OZ , NZ , Authorities work on a quota system. I'm South African and got a permit for 12 months.

I get paid 800chf a month. I have 3 years experience. Work 35- 40 Hrs a week. Full care of a infant (5 months) and a toddler (2.5). Do all the cleaning ( 2 a week). Cook two hot meals a day. Responsible for the sole cleaning after meals. Also in charge of all the trash...... Ironing etc, Basically I'm responsible for everything happening around. I don't get a meal allowance for the meals that I miss at home neither do I receive a travel card.

End Result = An overworked and underpaid aupair.

Have a great day to All
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Yes indeed the maid Lou ... looking into changing Employers at the moment.

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You are not an Au Pair you are a grossly underpaid & overworked nanny/housekeeper. Did you know these would be your working conditions? Can you change jobs on your work permit?
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Aupair/ Babysitter rates

Can anyone give me an idea of what the rate is to hire an aupair in Switzerland. Also what the hourly rate of a babysitter is ?
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