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Old 15.07.2013, 08:16
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Colleague got sacked - Swiss aftermath.

Sorry for the odd thread title......but please keep reading.

I have a colleague who got fired recently due to "bad performance".

After a few days the group manager invites the whole team for a meeting where he asks the colleague, he just sacked, to explain to the team why he was fired

So...this poor colleague who had a shitty week so far already had to sit through a meeting informing everyone why he was fired.

Personally I would have denied but obviously the fired colleague is low on self-esteem and did his best to explain while trying not to sob too much

Apart from feeling sorry for my colleague I think that the behavior of group manager is so NOT okay and he should be fired for misconduct or what not himself.

What do you think??

I would like to have not only your opinion on the situation but also your view on if this is legally okay.

And to add insult to injury the colleague has to stay the full period of three and a half month until the end of the notification period.....how cruel can people be. One could think that if his performance was below expectation they would let him go home with three month pay immediately.

Thanks for your input.
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Old 15.07.2013, 08:22
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Re: Colleague got sacked - Swiss aftermath.

Which company to you work for? Remind me never to apply for a job there. That manager is an a**
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Old 15.07.2013, 08:23
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Re: Colleague got sacked - Swiss aftermath.

Well, 3 months gardening leave for underperfomance would send the wrong message, no??

But putting him in the spotlight like that, seems rather dirty and spiteful - was it a public shaming to "spur the others on"?

Very bad taste by the supervisor..!
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Re: Colleague got sacked - Swiss aftermath.

I'd leave the country too after working for a company like that.
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Old 15.07.2013, 08:29
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Re: Colleague got sacked - Swiss aftermath.

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I'd leave the country too after working for a company like that.
Wasn't me Oly......a colleague.....I swear.

As I wrote, I would have asked the manager to go "ficken" himself.
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Old 15.07.2013, 08:30
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Well, 3 months gardening leave for underperfomance would send the wrong message, no??

But putting him in the spotlight like that, seems rather dirty and spiteful - was it a public shaming to "spur the others on"?

Very bad taste by the supervisor..!
Well...not everyone will welcome being fired even though you dislike your job.

I have been made redundant twice and is not a pleasant experience no matter the reason.

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Old 15.07.2013, 08:35
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After a few days the group manager invites the whole team for a meeting where he asks the colleague, he just sacked, to explain to the team why he was fired
I would have said "because my boss is an asshole."

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Re: Colleague got sacked - Swiss aftermath.

I am horrified! Firstly that a supervisor could be so vindictive as to put your colleague in the position of having to publicly talk about why his employment is being terminated. Secondly, that noone else promptly stood up to say how outrageous the situation was.

And yes, I agree - if his performance was considered bad enough to terminate the contract, (was it?) then it would have been in the best interests of all parties, to give him the three months salary and have him leave. Can he really be expected to work to the best of his abillity, and in the interests of the company, with no incentive to do so? That three months would also give him the time to be job hunting.
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Re: Colleague got sacked - Swiss aftermath.

I suspect that the truth of this story may be a little less extreme than the way it has been portrayed here. I find it literally unbelievable
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Old 15.07.2013, 08:45
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Re: Colleague got sacked - Swiss aftermath.

Not sure about the legality of the manager's actions but isnt there anyone to escalate your concerns to?

Group manager or not, I am sure he has someone else to report in to. The way this was handled is not on. simply piss poor management tactics. Express your concerns as to how the company (aka manager) has handled the firing and ask if it is a company policy to do that, rather than an attack on the manager himself.
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Secondly, that noone else promptly stood up to say how outrageous the situation was.
After the meeting a colleague said to the group manager "you did not just do that!!!!!"

I did not hear that myself so I don't know what he replied.

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I wish it was unbelievable.....but it happened.
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Sorry for the odd thread title......but please keep reading.

I have a colleague who got fired recently due to "bad performance".

After a few days the group manager invites the whole team for a meeting where he asks the colleague, he just sacked, to explain to the team why he was fired

So...this poor colleague who had a shitty week so far already had to sit through a meeting informing everyone why he was fired.

Personally I would have denied but obviously the fired colleague is low on self-esteem and did his best to explain while trying not to sob too much

Apart from feeling sorry for my colleague I think that the behavior of group manager is so NOT okay and he should be fired for misconduct or what not himself.

What do you think??

I would like to have not only your opinion on the situation but also your view on if this is legally okay.

And to add insult to injury the colleague has to stay the full period of three and a half month until the end of the notification period.....how cruel can people be. One could think that if his performance was below expectation they would let him go home with three month pay immediately.

Thanks for your input.
typical workplace bullying culture.

if i'd been put on the spot like that, my reply would have been "because your wife thinks i'm better in bed than you"*.

*polite version
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Not sure about the legality of the manager's actions but isnt there anyone to escalate your concerns to?

Group manager or not, I am sure he has someone else to report in to. The way this was handled is not on. simply piss poor management tactics. Express your concerns as to how the company (aka manager) has handled the firing and ask if it is a company policy to do that, rather than an attack on the manager himself.
Good point.

I have never worked for a company managed as bad as this one and I will leave myself in 17½ working days.

Today I will have a chat with the colleague and I will encourage him not to let this pass unnoticed and instead stand up for himself.
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Old 15.07.2013, 08:50
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Re: Colleague got sacked - Swiss aftermath.

Sounds like a clear case of "mobbing" to me which I believe isn't allowed.

I am guessing the employee won't have much trouble under these circumstances finding a doctor who will write him/her sick for the rest of the notice period .
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Re: Colleague got sacked - Swiss aftermath.

maybe he's just emulating steve jobs:
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For the next half-hour Jobs berated the group. "You've tarnished Apple's reputation," he told them. "You should hate each other for having let each other down." The public humiliation particularly infuriated Jobs. Walt Mossberg, the influential Wall Street Journal gadget columnist, had panned MobileMe. "Mossberg, our friend, is no longer writing good things about us," Jobs said. On the spot, Jobs named a new executive to run the group.
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Old 15.07.2013, 09:00
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Re: Colleague got sacked - Swiss aftermath.

The relevant law is OR 328:

http://www.mobbing-zentrale.ch/mobrecht.htm
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Sounds like a clear case of "mobbing" to me which I believe isn't allowed.

I am guessing the employee won't have much trouble under these circumstances finding a doctor who will write him/her sick for the rest of the notice period .
Yep, and I would have thought that workplace bullying, especially in a place like here, would have been all but stamped out.

Doctor's appointment, stress leave - garden time

Please wish your colleague good luck!
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Re: Colleague got sacked - Swiss aftermath.

So thats why it took so long to get my McMuffin this morning whilst all you layabouts were huddled around the back.
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Re: Colleague got sacked - Swiss aftermath.

I do not think this qualifies as mobbing, as the supervisor has only asked the colleague to tell - neither forced him in any way or told the team.

However: if the manager told the team the reasons did he for sure break a number of privacy laws. The team needs to know THAT somebody is leaving, but the WHY is none of their business and even weather the company sacked him or he quit is a private matter. So if the manager was standing in front of the team announcing "Mr. X got fired today and he will tell you why" am I sure that this alone was legally a breach of privacy.

I once witnessed a different but similarly morally wrong sacking. People on here tend to underestimate the Swiss when it comes to how good they are at keeping a grudge - just because they do not show emotions a lot does not mean they did not care. In my case did a manager alienate an entire team including team-leader from him. You will not be a successful manager if half your employees talk bad behind your back about you... so the idiotic manager was "promoted" to another role in another office pretty soon.
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After the meeting a colleague said to the group manager "you did not just do that!!!!!"

I did not hear that myself so I don't know what he replied.

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I wish it was unbelievable.....but it happened.

if you were in the same room , when the manager asked the poor guy to explain the reason why he had been fired.. and did not object to his method of bullying the poor guy - this post is one way to vent out your frustration.
I have been in similar position where , one is so shocked at the events happening in front of you- but too shocked/stupidified /bit scared to react - retrospectively wishing you had reacted better than keeping quiet.
Question is - can you still protest against this past injustice and DO YOU WANT TO ?
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