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Rav Adviser: need for translator?

Dear all,

My partner is ending his contract and is already searching for a new job.

Meanwhile at Rav he was appointed for an adviser called Maya Nosdeo. We do not know if we should bring someone who speaks German along for this first interview, since some advisers accept the interview in English.

Did anyone have this professional helping? Did you need a translator?
Thank you all for your precious help,

Cheers,

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Dear all,

My partner is ending his contract and is already searching for a new job.

Meanwhile at Rav he was appointed for an adviser called Maya Nosdeo. We do not know if we should bring someone who speaks German along for this first interview, since some advisers accept the interview in English.

Did anyone have this professional helping? Did you need a translator?
Thank you all for your precious help,

Cheers,

Ana
When he registered was he asked to bring a translator? If he was able to get through the registration process in German they won't insist.

At Badenerstrasse in ZH they sort of insist of a translator or German language as it's necessary for a job, I had several advisors who wished to practice their English & had a minimum of 30 minutes interesting talk. In German the discussion never lasts more than 5 minutes
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Re: Rav Adviser: need for translator?

As you have the name of the person- why not ask the RAV service directly. Not sure anyone on EF will be 'au fait' with her language skills.
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As you have the name of the person- why not ask the RAV service directly. Not sure anyone on EF will be 'au fait' with her language skills.
If a translator is required, the RAV will have stipulated, so it's the RAV's problem rather than the OP's. To complete education In ZH both French & English is a requirement, not sure about Basel but they seem reasonably educated
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If a translator is required, the RAV will have stipulated, so it's the RAV's problem rather than the OP's. To complete education In ZH both French & English is a requirement, not sure about Basel but they seem reasonably educated
I'm a bit surprised by your answer (or don't understand it correctly ) : so as a Swiss living in London, if i'd loose my job in the UK and would go to the British equivalent of RAV it would be the problem of the clerk there who had French or German as a requirement at school if he/she wouldn't understand my French or German ?
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I'm a bit surprised by your answer (or don't understand it correctly ) : so as a Swiss living in London, if i'd loose my job in the UK and would go to the British equivalent of RAV it would be the problem of the clerk there who had French or German as a requirement at school if he/she wouldn't understand my French or German ?
I don't get your question, however the chance of working in London for a year without being able to speak a word is fairly unlikely in the grand scheme of things.
In the UK you just have to be able to sign your name, hence the term 'signing on' to receive unemployment pay. Forms are available in many languages.............
There is no requirement in the Uk to either finish your education or speak any foreign languages.
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Re: Rav Adviser: need for translator?

Ok then : anybody speaking French and/or English could require to speak French or English at a RAV in the German speaking part of Switzerland just because French and/or English are compulsory to accomplish education here ? Is that what you mean ?
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Ok then : anybody speaking French and/or English could require to speak French or English at a RAV in the German speaking part of Switzerland just because French and/or English are compulsory to accomplish education here ? Is that what you mean ?
The RAV tell you to bring a translator if they deem it necessary, they have not in this case, so they deem that the advisor will manage to cope.

What is your real question?
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If a translator is required, the RAV will have stipulated, so it's the RAV's problem rather than the OP's. To complete education In ZH both French & English is a requirement, not sure about Basel but they seem reasonably educated
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The RAV tell you to bring a translator if they deem it necessary, they have not in this case, so they deem that the advisor will manage to cope.

What is your real question?
I think you confused the poor chap with the bit in bold.

He seems to think that by completing their education in Zurich the RAV advisors are all fluent in English and French and should therefore be able to communicate in both those languages as well as German.
In reality as we all know studying a language to the level required to complete the compulsory education requirements does not necessarily make you compete ant to hold a conversation in the language.
There will be some advisors who are better at languages than others and who are happy to 'practice' their skills. Equally there will be others who refuse to speak anything other than German ( or French or Italian).

Logically it would make sense to assign an English speaking RAV advisor to an English speaking applicant but in reality logic doesn't always play a part.
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Re: Rav Adviser: need for translator?

Thank you for your tips and advice, we will contact our adviser personally.

In a way I also wanted to know what were other people's experiences regarding using English during these interviews, this is our first time dealing with this situation.

I am sure everything will turn well, if necessary we will just bring a friend who speaks German! Thank you all.

Cheers,

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Thank you for your tips and advice, we will contact our adviser personally.

In a way I also wanted to know what were other people's experiences regarding using English during these interviews, this is our first time dealing with this situation.

I am sure everything will turn well, if necessary we will just bring a friend who speaks German! Thank you all.

Cheers,

Ana
English can work 100% without issue with many of the advisors, some offices have a rule of German only however it may or may not be applied.

If there is a real problem, they will just schedule another meeting......
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When he registered was he asked to bring a translator? If he was able to get through the registration process in German they won't insist.

At Badenerstrasse in ZH they sort of insist of a translator or German language as it's necessary for a job
Indeed. The RAV offices in Zurich canton require you to take an interpreter (not a translator!) if your German isn't good enough to handle your appointments in German (requirement introduced 9-12 months ago, I believe). Other cantons, obviously, will have their own requirements. The interpreter may be a mate who'll do it for beer money, or a professional (I work with a number of people at the RAV). Obviously a professional will cost rather more, but is also likely to be much more familiar with the systems and requirements and may well be able to explain things that might be obvious to someone who's grown up here but not to a foreigner.
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Re: Rav Adviser: need for translator?

Well I just got the letter for my first appointment at RAV Lachen, and they are insisting I take a translator... given the registration process involved lots of very long German words being spoken loudly and slowly at the idiot Englishman who mistakenly thought he spoke reasonable German I guess this isn't a total surprise... however given the letter didn't rush in the post, and today is a holiday, I've got a limited amount of time to find a translator for 8am on Wednesday...
So any recommendations, or offers of services? Drop me a PM if necessary.
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Re: Rav Adviser: need for translator?

Try RentARentner, there might be some retired person around that you could hire for a couple of hours.
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Re: Rav Adviser: need for translator?

Great idea Jim, and that's a really impressive idea/concept! Have always felt the retired were a massively underused resource in Europe. Sadly none in the vicinity of Lachen by the looks of it, but I'll be on there again.
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I'm available tomorrow morning. Drop me a PM if you still need someone to go with you (I'm a professional interpreter)
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Well I just got the letter for my first appointment at RAV Lachen, and they are insisting I take a translator... given the registration process involved lots of very long German words being spoken loudly and slowly at the idiot Englishman who mistakenly thought he spoke reasonable German I guess this isn't a total surprise... however given the letter didn't rush in the post, and today is a holiday, I've got a limited amount of time to find a translator for 8am on Wednesday...
So any recommendations, or offers of services? Drop me a PM if necessary.
Cheers
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Hi Rick

I was at the Lachen RAV in 2013, I took a friend who "spoke a bit" and at my first interview they said the next appointments will be in English, they then sent me on German courses and they switched back to German as I progressed. In the end most conversations would be German, with the "important detail" clarified in English.
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Re: Rav Adviser: need for translator?

Thanks for that, lets me rest a little easier. I've signed up eng_ch for tomorrow just in case.
To be honest, my Germans' not that bad, but I lack a lot of the "unemployment" vocab and I was a bit taken aback to find an office here that I couldn't communicate with either in English or French or with my German.
Good to know there is an element of English for the more complex questions, my "handler" is a Herr Mader?
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Re: Rav Adviser: need for translator?

Right, just done the "first meeting" with RAV Lachen, thought I'd report back quickly.
Firstly, they were very pleased I'd taken a translator with me. This was clearly worthwhile in terms of brownie points and not least because this opening meeting outlines all the legal obligations and they don't want any confusion.
At the end of the meeting the chap did let on that he spoke pretty good English and that our future meets would not require a translator.

Took Emma (eng_ch on here) and would HIGHLY recommend, she did a great job at very short notice and the RAV definitely appreciated her presence not least because I think they felt it meant I was taking them seriously. Definitely worthwhile having no risk of confusion on when and where all the forms need to be sent back to for the small cost involved.

Paying a blond in a carpark with a credit card was a whole new experience though ;-)

Thanks to the forum for helping me with this!
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Thanks for the kind words, Rick. It was a pleasure to work with you.

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