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Tater Tot, thank you so much for your message, there have been quite a few people now that have been very supportive and encouraging and believe me, we needed that, well I did anyway, my husband it totally optimistic, good on him.
Yes you are right, there are plenty of vineyards in Ch and of course also orchards in Thurgau, so I am sure we will find something.
Thank you also for your very generous offer to rent us a room if we needed it, how very kind!

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Thank you everyone for your thoughts, suggestions, your encouragement and well wishes.
I am also thankful for pointing out challenges that will be coming our way, it's good to know what to expect, much appreciated.

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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

Those comparisons of expenses from country to country use a certain shopping basket, i.e. a list of commodities.

Some people living in Switzerland consider life normal only if they go to the movies, drink good wine, or out to a good restaurant a few times a month. Some build a collection of shoes, designer clothes or artworks. Some eat fast-food. Others have hairdresser and nail services as set items in their pocket-money. Some feel that a car is essential, or a subscription to a daily newspaper or a gym, some are sad if they do not keep pets. Some people purchase an array of cosmetics and specialised cleaning products, or have their clothes dry-cleaned.

You may well know how to do without some or all of those. If you are accustomed to living frugally, or have newly decided so to do, you might be able to skew the basket in your favour. One really central way to keep your expenses low is to cook basic food at home.

If you really get stranded with no income, or too little, you will be entitled to apply for social security benefits (from the Sozialhilfe, or Sozialamt). Here http://www.stadt.sg.ch/home/gesellsc...zialhilfe.html is an explanation.

However, please note that, to qualify, you would be required to show full documentation of all your income and assets. Only people with assets totalling not more than a certain level are eligible for social security benefits. The idea is that people should use up their own assets while they try to find their feet, before the state steps in to support them. Here, under “E.2 Vermögen”, you can read how the limits work: http://skos.ch/uploads/media/2012_Nachtrag_deutsch.pdf
Please note that assets will still be counted (= put into the calculation) even if they have recently been given away… this is known as “Vermögen auf dem verzichtet wurde”.

Just in case you haven’t already seen the budget advice centres, here is the link to an advice centre in St. Gallen:
http://www.familienberatung-sg.ch/an...udgetberatung/

And here are some representative budgets:
http://www.budgetberatung.ch/Budgetbeispiele.19.0.html
If you choose “Paare” and the lowest income bracket, you will see how much is considered reasonable for rent, and will notice that the – compulsory! – medical insurance is the next biggest fixed cost. And bear in mind that, in addition to the monthly premiums, if you consume medical services you will have to pay the “Franchise” and “Selbstbehalt”, up to a maximum of Fr.1000 per person per year. That’s in the budget on the first line under “Rückstellungen”.

Here http://www.svasg.ch/de/produkte/ipv/...ngsleistungen/ is an explanation of St. Gallen’s “Prämienverbilligung”, which is a government subsidy on the medical insurance premium, paid to those whose income is low, but happily, the inclusion criteria for this benefit are much less stringent than those for social security benefits.
You might also consider reading the Beobachter (a Swiss magazine, with its own forum, dealing with social issues,), for example this recent thread of a Swiss man returning to Switzerland after having lived abroad: http://www.beobachter.ch/foren/ueber...ilfe-mit-baby/
A strong search tool will also take you to archived material within Beobachter, on similar topics.

My hope for you would be that you can leave some pied-à-terre in NZ, perhaps some small flat that you own outright, or one on which you can at least set the mortgage going, and then rent it out at a rate to cover its costs fully while you’re away. Once you have that kind of financial and emotional security, you’d know you could always return to NZ if need be, if you were unhappy in Switzerland or just got tired of being in the low-income segment.

With that as a backing, follow your dream! Come to Switzerland! It is a lovely place to live, especially for those who know or have learned German.

One more thing, and I’m sorry if you already wrote about this earlier in the thread and I just can’t remember: I know you are Swiss, but if you are not already a dual national, you’d probably do well to look into applying for NZ citizenship, so that you can be certain of being allowed back into NZ if you leave. Even if your husband is a Kiwi, you might like to plan for your (singular) own future in the case, for example, that he ended up loving it here but you were homesick for NZ, or if he died (which I would not hope, of course, but it is wise to plan) and you wanted to return to NZ alone. Similarly, if you do settle in CH, I hope your husband will apply for Swiss citizenship as soon as he is eligble.

With hard work and determination, and relentless networking (that’s really the way things work here!), you (plural) may well find enough work, perhaps patchwork-wise, to get by nicely. I so wish you well!
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Kiss2Swiss, please don't post e-mail addresses on the forum. Not only is it against forum rules, do you really want such info to be available to anyone who happens to visit here? You're asking for a spammer deluge if not worse. Members can private message you if they want to get in touch.
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Doropfiz, thank you for all that information. I shall read through the ones that will apply to us.
My husband and I don't intend to be reliant on the government, if it does't work out here, then we will go back, it's as simple as that. We have worked out how long we can stay and when it is time to count the cost and return to NZ.
I am a Kiwi as well as a Swiss, so that is covered, thank you for that thought.
Also, we have lived frugally in NZ our entire married life (26 years), so this is nothing new to us. Again thank you for your suggestions and thoughts and for your well wishes.
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

Hi Kiwi2Swiss,
I just wanted to pop my 2 cents in and say... I really hope this works out well for you.
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

I think with your citizenship, language skills, attitude and flexibility you'll be fine. You already have many advantages that other unskilled workers don't and, generally speaking NZ/Swissies are well-liked here

I'm sure you'll both find something suitable, given time (and if not you'll have had an amazing extended holiday).

Oh, and +1 for the "NZ is stupidly expensive" camp. We went back for a visit last Christmas, and couldn't believe how much prices have gone up in the last few years.

If you don't mind reducing your meat intake, looking out for specials and don't eat out too often, you can get by on quite a small food budget here (even with copious amounts of chocolate, cheese, wine and beer!). Power is cheaper here. Fuel is a bit cheaper (and you can get a decent older car for next to nothing), or public transport is a viable option. Clothes are about the same, or cheaper when the sales are on. Ikea is reasonably priced and much better quality than any of the crap you can get from the budget furniture retailers in NZ. And if you like op shops you can often get things for next to nothing here (Oh, dear. This has turned into a bit of an anti-NZ rant. I didn't mean for that to happen. I love the place, honestly...)

Health insurance, on the other hand, is ludicrous here. And unavoidable.

So just do it. Give yourselves a realistic timefram to find a job, and if it doesn't happen, so be it. Just remember, while you're putting in the hours job-hunting, to also get out there and enjoy yourselves
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Thank you to both ComingHome and to SusieM for your supportive messages. Today is the day that we shall decide on the offers on our house and then off we go.

And it wasn't an anti NZ rant, unfortunately it's just reality!

And yes, we plan to go and see stuff while job hunting, do as much as possible, just in case.... , but we are (or I should say, I am) feeling so much better about it now after all the PM and the support of some really wonderful and generous people on this forum.
Thanks again to you all!
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Oh, and +1 for the "NZ is stupidly expensive" camp. We went back for a visit last Christmas, and couldn't believe how much prices have gone up in the last few years.

If you don't mind reducing your meat intake, looking out for specials and don't eat out too often, you can get by on quite a small food budget here (even with copious amounts of chocolate, cheese, wine and beer!). Power is cheaper here. Fuel is a bit cheaper (and you can get a decent older car for next to nothing), or public transport is a viable option. Clothes are about the same, or cheaper when the sales are on. Ikea is reasonably priced and much better quality than any of the crap you can get from the budget furniture retailers in NZ. And if you like op shops you can often get things for next to nothing here (Oh, dear. This has turned into a bit of an anti-NZ rant. I didn't mean for that to happen. I love the place, honestly...)

Health insurance, on the other hand, is ludicrous here. And unavoidable.
Overall, living in CH is more expensive, but then you have more money left over to save at the end of the month because the salary is much higher. But there are a lot of cheap things about NZ that I miss:
- meat ($12/kg for lamb chops vs Sfr40/kg)
- cars are much cheaper in NZ, both to buy and maintain
- health insurance (full coverage for $40/month, no excess/franchise vs Sfr300/month with a huge excess)

I agree with you on the clothes and furniture though. Hopefully the former is improving with the explosion in internet shopping (some places now do free shipping, and there's always YouShop from NZ post). And I am praying that IKEA will one day arrive on our shores.
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

Kiwi2Swiss this might be a wild goose chase, but as I was putting together an order with my favorite fruit tree/berry nursery I thought of this thread.

Haeberli Beeren is one of the large growers and wholesalers of fruit trees (and berries) in Switzerland. They are located in Neukirch-Egnach in Thurgau, but depending on where in St Gallen you are they might not be too far. Their website says they do not have open jobs at the moment, but nonetheless they accept applications. Maybe your husband might want to get in contact with them once you arrive and settle in.

http://www.haeberli-beeren.ch/de/ueb...fene-stellen-9

As above, could be a wild goose chase - but nothing ventured...

Anyway, wishing you all the best with your move and with your Swiss adventure.
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Kiwi2Swiss I sincerely wish you the best of luck and have enjoyed the thread.

I absolutely love your outlook to this and enjoy immensely people who have this attitude to have an adventure in their lives.

Find it much harder to relate to people who have done the same job for 30 years, hated it and never left the same village.

Please remember to follow up on this thread in the future with your progress report as I think you have won a few people over here that want to see you succeed.
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When I was a teenager and spent my summers in CH, I would just walk into an factory and ask if they had jobs available. I would always get some industrial repetitive manual labour job fairly quickly to ease the work load when the normal workers took vacation. It was the mid-90s and I had a passport and could communicate. The work was terribly hard, long and repetitive, but it allowed me to save for and pay my university tuition--A luxury many north americans could never experience.

Point being, I have seen a few temp-labour type offices around Switzerland, there's always manual labour work for those who qualify legally.
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Hi there,

I haven't had time to read all the threads here but wondered if the following situation might suit. In the past I have seen adverts for "a live in couple" to do housekeeping, pet sitting, gardening, some child care etc etc... it might be that you and your husband might be able to offer the varied skills that are required. Would certainly help with the cost of housing... agencies would have further information as to pay and conditions etc..

Anyway, good luck and let us know how you get on...
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Re: where to look for jobs with no job qualifications

Go for it, you only live once!

Our family are uprooting from the UK (im on an Australian passport though) and moving to Basel, I will be leaving my career behind and saying good bye to a police officer job meaning like your husband I will be unskilled and speaking no other language.

If you decide to set up your own business please let me know, Im sure I could be your first (and best, obviously) worker!
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I can see that one could think that and I respect your opinion.
We have the opinion that since we are not expecting any special jobs and are willing to give anything a hand, that we should be able to find work eventually, we just hoped that we could find some while still here, so we could 'walk into a job'.
As our children have all grown up and long left home, we decided this would be our opportunity to do something that we would enjoy, so the plan was to work hard and on the days off, we would take advantage of all the lovely things that Switzerland has to offer. Then after about 5 years, we might return to NZ again, all depending on how things go. If we like it and all is going well, we would stay on, or else we return.
We are hopeful that things will work out and if they don't, well then we will deal with that too, but we want to at least give it a go.

put it the other way around: hey, i am swiss, i dont speak english. i worked all my life on mountains as guard in a lonely shack. i have no other skills than watching alp goats, but am willing to do anything! i watched lord of the rings and liked the country! i sold all i have, bought the flight ticket already. please help, how can i get a job? no job too little!

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Just off to bed, but thanks again to all your encouraging messages, wow, I am so touched by all of the effort and time people are putting into this thread, I am stunned really!
It is wonderful to know that total strangers care enough to give of their valuable time to look into things for us, to comment, to just be part. I am humbled by your support.
I will most definitely let you know how we get on in Switzerland, especially since I have had such a response. Good luck to you 19Monica also in Basel, good on you for giving it a go. I am a firm believer that where there is a will, there is a way, it may not always be easy, but hopefully well worth it by the end.
I was quite unsure at the beginning of this thread, but all your encouragement has given me a real boost!
We have accepted an offer on our house today and although that doesn't mean it's a done deal, at least it's a step closer.

Have a great day everyone and good luck in all the things that some of you are doing too!
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flow23, I would say, come on over and we will help you find work, especially since you are willing to give anything a go. My husband is an orchard manager and if he can't give you a job, then he will know somebody that can. Simple.
But I know Switzerland is different and is a whole different kettle of fish, but it was worth me trying and just giving it a go and in my opinion it was worth it. I have met some really nice people here that have extended their hand and have offered help in some way shape or form, how wonderful is that!?
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flow23, I would say, come on over and we will help you find work, especially since you are willing to give anything a go. My husband is an orchard manager and if he can't give you a job, then he will know somebody that can. Simple.
But I know Switzerland is different and is a whole different kettle of fish, but it was worth me trying and just giving it a go and in my opinion it was worth it. I have met some really nice people here that have extended their hand and have offered help in some way shape or form, how wonderful is that!?
i did not read that you have family here, have your network setup. thats a fully different picture then.
still i had a chuckle when i read something about "...competition regulating the market and prices..." if there was a competition, for sure! just this morning there was an article in the papers that the govt might step in to regulate that busses could get in the way of trains/sbb being first choice of public transport and bring its no.1 position out of balance etc. plus try to get some info about EU/CH protectionism... its far away from an open market (yet). good luck.
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put it the other way around: hey, i am swiss, i dont speak english. i worked all my life on mountains as guard in a lonely shack. i have no other skills than watching alp goats, but am willing to do anything! i watched lord of the rings and liked the country! i sold all i have, bought the flight ticket already. please help, how can i get a job? no job too little!

what would you reply?
even though your situation is almost completely unlike the OPs (she speaks the local language, has a swiss passport, has lived here before and does not just have one skill to offer). i would still say go for it as soon as you have secured a work permit. you obviously have to right attitude to make it in NZ since you are willing to give anything a go .
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