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Old 28.11.2014, 09:57
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Re: Expected to continue working after being fired

There are two different concepts here:
- Garden leave means you don't work but get paid
- Notice period means you have to work (works for both sides) but if your boss decides you can be on garden leave during that period.

Working from home is not illegal therefore you have to do it, but then you can't call it garden leave.
You are persona non grata in the office but you still have to work, don't get mad since in CH I see this happening every day.
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Old 28.11.2014, 10:03
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Re: Expected to continue working after being fired

I love the absurdity of the moral preachers on here, berating people for suggesting ways the OP can avoid working their notice, whilst at the same time pissing around on this forum whilst they should be working.
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Old 28.11.2014, 10:07
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And who appointed you morality monitor for the day?
Let's say the general consensus of the forum did.

The idea of this forum is to collate useful information that benefits us all, so when we have an issue we haven't encountered before, we have a useful resource to check on.

It is not a forum on how to cheat the system, by indulging in at best immoral and more realistically illegal practices. Faking illness, especially mental illness is an extremely base act, and deprives people who really need it of valuable resources. If you feel it is an acceptable way to conduct your life, good luck, but you are a parasite.
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Old 28.11.2014, 10:09
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Go to you doctor, explain what happened and tell him you are now depressed, suffering from burnout and ask for a long term sick note.

Repeat until notice period is over.
Really! You obviously do not appreciate that the notice will not be over.... all that will happen is that the pause button is pressed.
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Let's say the general consensus of the forum did.

The idea of this forum is to collate useful information that benefits us all, so when we have an issue we haven't encountered before, we have a useful resource to check on.

It is not a forum on how to cheat the system, by indulging in at best immoral and more realistically illegal practices. Faking illness, especially mental illness is an extremely base act, and deprives people who really need it of valuable resources. If you feel it is an acceptable way to conduct your life, good luck, but you are a parasite.
See post above.
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Old 28.11.2014, 10:11
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And who appointed you morality monitor for the day?
You're an auslander, this is Switzerland, you didn't get a vote!!
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See post above.
What makes you think that I am at work?!
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Old 28.11.2014, 10:13
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I did not say that, you think I was implying faking it but who wouldn't be depressed if they suddenly and unexpectedly lose their job - I certainly was.

Just wait until it happens to you and see how you feel...
Oh come one.

First: this DID happen to me once and I continued working until the notice period was up.

Second: OP obviously isn't depressed, let alone suffers from a burnout. Quite the opposite as he thinks his boss is an a$$ anyway, they never got along and he's actually glad he doesn't have to work there anymore. Pity he DOES have to work as, again, he signed a contract that forces him to. And also again, it is of absolutely zero interest to him to unnecessarily extend the notice period by pretending to be sick - even if he did find a doctor who gave him a sick note, it doesn't make the notice period go away and it doesn't relieve him from his contractual obligations.

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I love the absurdity of the moral preachers on here, berating people for suggesting ways the OP can avoid working their notice, whilst at the same time pissing around on this forum whilst they should be working.
And based on what do you assume everyone posting here is at work?

Also, you don't get it. This has nothing to do with morality, it has to do with a contract, that OP signed and that obliges him to do certain things as he does expect certain things in return. He wants a salary - he has to work. This simple exchange of services ends only at the end of the notice period when the contract effectively expires. But not before.

What he can do is ask the boss for immediate termination based on mutual agreement, sign up a respective written confirmation and then he's free to leave immediately. Needless to say he won't get a salary anymore as of immediately either.
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Old 28.11.2014, 10:24
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you'll also find a doctor's note will prelong your notice period. There's a double-whammy!
How so? This is not the case, to the best of my knowledge.

If the employee falls ill during the termination period (termination by employer in this case) and continues to be ill, the employer is under obligation to continue to pay his/her salary for a certain (see info below) amount of time. After that the employment relationship is automatically terminated.

http://www.lohnfortzahlung.ch/normen/skalen/

http://www.lohnfortzahlung.ch/normen.../berner-skala/
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Re: Expected to continue working after being fired

Funny thread! All the high-moral individuals one can find here is amazing!

I found myself in the same situation, except the notice period was longer.

Got fired, and my boss, as per our contract, asked me to work my notice period. He is of course entitled to do that and I had to abide, as I signed the contract.

Did the work I do brough any value to the company, during this notice period? Absolutely not.
Was my attitude in line with what my boss expected? I could not care less what he though. The company fired me, so I "fired" them, that's just plain normal.

I mean, let's be serious. A company fires you and, who on earth would think that you'll work, as if nothing happened?? If you do, well, go on ya and your company.

If you have to come to work, come. But that's just lost time and pain for both parties.
Plus, it's guaranteed that you would not bring the best vibes in the workplace. The impact of one negative element in the office can be tremendous.

But, well, if so says the contract...
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Re: Expected to continue working after being fired

Just do your time, be it do as little as possible for them, check your emails etc., they did fire you after all, but at least you get two months salary, and asked to work from home, so you basically you have time to look for another job.
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Let's say the general consensus of the forum did.

The idea of this forum is to collate useful information that benefits us all, so when we have an issue we haven't encountered before, we have a useful resource to check on.

It is not a forum on how to cheat the system, by indulging in at best immoral and more realistically illegal practices. Faking illness, especially mental illness is an extremely base act, and deprives people who really need it of valuable resources. If you feel it is an acceptable way to conduct your life, good luck, but you are a parasite.
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Second: OP obviously isn't depressed, let alone suffers from a burnout. Quite the opposite as he thinks his boss is an a$$ anyway, they never got along and he's actually glad he doesn't have to work there anymore. Pity he DOES have to work as, again, he signed a contract that forces him to. And also again, it is of absolutely zero interest to him to unnecessarily extend the notice period by pretending to be sick - even if he did find a doctor who gave him a sick note, it doesn't make the notice period go away and it doesn't relieve him from his contractual obligations.
You're a doctor too?

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Old 28.11.2014, 11:22
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And based on what do you assume everyone posting here is at work?

Also, you don't get it. This has nothing to do with morality, it has to do with a contract, that OP signed and that obliges him to do certain things as he does expect certain things in return. He wants a salary - he has to work. This simple exchange of services ends only at the end of the notice period when the contract effectively expires. But not before.

What he can do is ask the boss for immediate termination based on mutual agreement, sign up a respective written confirmation and then he's free to leave immediately. Needless to say he won't get a salary anymore as of immediately either.
It's in a contract? Then it MUST be adhered to! We're in Switzerland after all. Does the contract also specify if one receives a reach around whilst ones trousers are around ones ankles?

It never ceases to amaze me, how all common sense and reason can all get thrown out the window when rules/contracts and the Swiss are involved together.

And I'd happily wager that 80% of the people on here are neither trailing spouses, retirees, unemployed, students or martians.
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Old 28.11.2014, 11:44
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Go to you doctor, explain what happened and tell him you are now depressed, suffering from burnout and ask for a long term sick note.

Repeat until notice period is over.
Only problem is the notice period will never end, if your ill it does not count........
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Old 28.11.2014, 11:55
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It never ceases to amaze me, how all common sense and reason can all get thrown out the window when rules/contracts and the Swiss are involved together.
Sorry, but my 'common sense' does not tell me to try to defraud my (still) employer by faking a serious medical illness. It would tell me to work out my notice period quietly, accept the last 3 months salary for no real effort, whilst looking for jobs elsewhere.

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Got fired, and my boss, as per our contract, asked me to work my notice period. He is of course entitled to do that and I had to abide, as I signed the contract.
Well no, you didn't get fired, did you? You were made redundant. The difference is not only semantic.
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And I'd happily wager that 80% of the people on here are neither trailing spouses, retirees, unemployed, students or martians.
What do you know - I am a retired trailing spouse from Mars studying part-time!!

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Re: Expected to continue working after being fired

The only problem I can see with the OP's situation is the working from home part.
The OP has to fulfil the notice period so he is obliged to work during that time if he wants to get paid. If the boss doesn't want him to be physically present in the office but to do the work from home he has to provide the materials to be able to do this ( computer or whatever). He can't force the OP to use his personal laptop for work during this time ( what if the OP doesn't actually have one?).
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It's in a contract? Then it MUST be adhered to! We're in Switzerland after all. Does the contract also specify if one receives a reach around whilst ones trousers are around ones ankles?

It never ceases to amaze me, how all common sense and reason can all get thrown out the window when rules/contracts and the Swiss are involved together.
Oh I realize it's a tricky concept to grasp for some, but yes, we actually do value commitment and obligation.

Of course the employee is always the poor, mistreated individual that did nothing wrong and the employer is the bad one, on principle. Imagine you were the employer - I would love to see you pay an employee for two more months with nothing in return. Why not simply stop salary payment just like that - after all, it's only a contract, a piece of paper, so who cares, right...

We are not in the US or the UK, this is how Switzerland makes its rules. Just because a few people now find it "odd" or "unfair" or supposedly "against common sense" doesn't matter the slightest. And it certainly doesn't change the system - this is how it's done here and you are working here now, not anywhere else, so deal with it.

Anyone who prefers to be let go with no notice in such a situation, like elsewhere in the world, can simply ask. I'm sure any employer will happily agree.

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Sublime.. all depends in which industry and sub department. I know many that during job cuts had 20 minutes notice to clear out the desk or locker and were escorted at all times until they were outside the building.
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not really.
it can also mean that you are dealing with very confidential information etc, where an employer doesn't want a person in his notice period dealing with.
You are right, there are exceptions, normally with any job where you are involved with customers or top notch positions. Or if the company has to reduce their staff because of economic reasons, of course.

But it is definitely not the way as you are used to in anglo-phil environments!
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You mean "prolong" BTW and like the employer will be happy to extend the notice period and keep paying your salary...
thanks for the spelling correction, Einstein.

but after 89 days of sick leave, do you know what happens?
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