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Old 29.11.2014, 02:31
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You mean "prolong" BTW and like the employer will be happy to extend the notice period and keep paying your salary...
It is not a case of the notice period being extended, it is as I said the pause button is pressed! So if one became sick at the end of month two in a three month notice period, there would be one month to serve remaining.

Concerning pay, it depends on the employer, they pay for whatever period they have in the contract (usually refunded by their insurance) and after that it is unpaid.

The idea is that you should be in good health and able to search for a job during the notice period.
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Re: Expected to continue working after being fired

If the employer wants you to work at home for the duration of the notice period on equipment provided by yourself, should that not be in a contract?

Use of your home as office and own phone, computer equipment is coming out of your pocket - make sure you outline that you will be charging the company for the privilege.

There is also the question of data security. Certainly the banks have VERY strict rules about the setup for telecommuting employees - the laptop has an encrypted hard drive, can only be accessed by company smartcard, also the employee needs to have a lockable area where confidential documents can be stored.

Inform your employer that they must not send any confidential information to your laptop via email etc - you don't want to end up being held culpable if your laptop is stolen and it had e.g. confidential customer information on it.

Otherwise, as the others have said, just work out your remaining 2 months exactly to contract - no more, no less and start the ball rolling with tarting up your CV, applying for jobs, approaching RAV. If you find you are genuinely stressed then approach your doctor.

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Old 29.11.2014, 13:08
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Not at all! One could say he was 'let go', 'made redundant' or may be terminated. But not fired - that would mean no notice, no compensation etc..
Gotta read the whole thread there, Jim. "To be fired" means different things to different users of the English language, and just as some people spell color with an extra "u", there are multiple right answers here.

Now let's leave off the English discussions and get back to Loz making a pompous ass of herself while accusing everyone else of the same.
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Now let's leave off the English discussions and get back to Loz making a pompous ass of herself while accusing everyone else of the same.
What makes you think Loz is a she. Her posts sound more like a guy than a girl to me.
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Old 29.11.2014, 13:41
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What makes you think Loz is a she. Her posts sound more like a guy than a girl to me.
Purely random. It would be sexist of me to assume that every poster is a guy.
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Purely random. It would be sexist of me to assume that every poster is a guy.
LOL. The pompous ass ones usually are though.

Probably best not to mention sexism though, they've been enough 'discussions' about that on here recently.
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Purely random. It would be sexist of me to assume that every poster is a guy.
There is no girl on the internet
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Old 29.11.2014, 18:05
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Re: Expected to continue working after being fired

as to the maximal duration of sick leave and employment relationship when already received noticed, here are the relevant links.. again..

http://www.lohnfortzahlung.ch/normen/skalen/

http://www.lohnfortzahlung.ch/normen.../berner-skala/

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as to the maximal duration of sick leave and employment relationship when already received noticed, here are the relevant links.. again..

http://www.lohnfortzahlung.ch/normen/skalen/

http://www.lohnfortzahlung.ch/normen.../berner-skala/

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Aleydis, these are helpful links, indeed, but not for the current issue!

Your links are about the prolongation of salary payments after the termination date! You find it also here (change to French, if you prefer).


However, the discussed issue was about the delay of the termination date, which can be maximal 180 days, given you were working more than 5 years for the same company.


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Your links are about the prolongation of salary payments after the termination date! You find it also here (change to French, if you prefer).
Well, technically, this is not quite correct. But assuming that a "Krankentaggeldversicherung(KTGV)/Une assurance d'indemnités journalières" is part of your work contract, then this KTGV is complementary to the legal minimal requirements regarding salary prolongation in case of illness etc., independent of whether you have been released or not! Complementary the KTG insurance takes over at least at the moment the company is not anymore legally obliged to pay you, though the employer could pay you longer (and reduce therefore the premiums for the KTG, of course).

And the KTG premiums can either be fully paid by the employer or being shared (to whatever ralations) with you, as part of your salary deductions.
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Re: Expected to continue working after being fired

Konuku, legally you're required to work during the notice period, less any unused holiday days. Unless of course your employer says you're free , which you should get in writing.

You appear to have worked at some workplace, office or whatever, that (or some other place at least as convenient to you) is where you can expect to provide your service during the remaining two months. Your boss can't force you to suddenly work from home, but you're free to agree to that, which would typically come at a price of course as you would provide both space and infrastructure. Negotiations on some arrangement would also give you written proof of the situation

At any rate, to avoid complications you should get something in writing, or have a trustworthy witness on your side. For instance, if you were to just stay home he could later on claim that you stopped working and thus try to not pay you anymore. But of course such confirmation may be hard to come by, you need to assume he's very aware of the legal aspects of the situation, so see negotiations above.

During x-mas season you're unlikely to find a new job (unless maybe, but just maybe, you're REALLY good) so you'll be drawing unemployment benefits (if that's the expression) by February. That means you need to contact RAV immediately, and start looking for a new job fairly soon - ask RAV (Regionale ArbeitsVermittlung) for details.

The RAV people will also be able to inform you about how best to proceed with respect to proof/witness mentioned above, you're not the first in this situation. I'm aware that you're not exactly (anything but?) unhappy about having been let go, but preventing problems is usually the better strategy than trying to fix an issue after the fact, and you seem to be rather unaware of how things are run around here. see area-lavoro.ch

The RAV people will also be able to inform you about the legal situation - I wouldn't put too much trust on an anonymous internet forum.

Best of luck
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Aleydis, these are helpful links, indeed, but not for the current issue!

Your links are about the prolongation of salary payments after the termination date! You find it also here (change to French, if you prefer).


However, the discussed issue was about the delay of the termination date, which can be maximal 180 days, given you were working more than 5 years for the same company.


Do not mismatch them, though they are excellently complementary of each other, of course!
The legislation you quoted is referring to an employee falling ill / having an accident and being protected to a certain extent in such event from being let go / given notice (very useful info) .

I was describing a situation where an employee falls ill after receiving notice, hence the links.

The two situations are distinctly different and treated under Swiss labour law accordingly. I will not go into the issues of KTG insurance here. Although if one is indeed seriously ill, that would certainly be the next logical step.
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Time off for job interviews - free time or deducted as unpaid leave?

My boss cancelled my contract last week, and my official last pay day will be 31 January.

It appears that my boss wants me to continue to work at home until this time.

I will obviously need to interview elsewhere to try to find another job and have heard that companies in this situation must give time to soon-to-be ex-employees to interview.

So where does this time come from? Is it free time that they give you or will they deduct the time away from the last remnants of my pay?

I have no holiday left and having my pay be deducted will be a serious financial problem. The interviews will be far from where I live and will require full-day(s) off work (Zurich, Laussanne, London, etc.) so not just an hour or two here and there.

If I were not required to work, it would not be an issue. But...

Thanks for any help!
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Re: Time off for job interviews - free time or deducted as unpaid leave?

In my experience, employers don't generally give you a hard time going for interviews under these circumstances. Just be open with them about it when you have a meeting planned, or that you'll be searching and may have to take time here and there. As for working from home, it really depends on how much they actually want you to work -- you may find your work commitments dwindling and you'll certainly have the time to book meetings. I wouldn't worry too much. Good luck.
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Re: Time off for job interviews - free time or deducted as unpaid leave?

My company officially gives one day off for job seeking within the notice period - alongside the leave, the sick pay, the expenses - documented and provided to us on the first day.
That said, they've let a few go in the past year and have been very flexible when there were interviews to attend.
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My company officially gives one day off for job seeking within the notice period - alongside the leave, the sick pay, the expenses - documented and provided to us on the first day.
That said, they've let a few go in the past year and have been very flexible when there were interviews to attend.
Thanks. So are you saying that people in your company who need time for interviews have to provide proof that they actually have an interview?

I feel that that is a confidential matter in my case. I certainly do not want my soon-to-be ex-boss to know where I am interviewing as I do not trust him one iota. He is incredibly insecure, particularly regarding the company's competition...the exact places where I will be interviewing. I can see him doing everything in his power to prevent me from working in Switzerland (where my skills could be a great benefit - a benefit that he did not appreciate), so I will be forced to find work in another country.
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Re: Time off for job interviews - free time or deducted as unpaid leave?

Are you not going to use any of the advice given on the other thread for getting out of your notice period? I.e refusing to work your notice from home due to use of own equipment/no home office? At least try this first then you could be able to look freely for another job.
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Are you not going to use any of the advice given on the other thread for getting out of your notice period? I.e refusing to work your notice from home due to use of own equipment/no home office? At least try this first then you could be able to look freely for another job.
Of course. I definitely need a company laptop and some other things. But just in case they agree to provide me with what I need (I hope not), I will need to know what is acceptable or not. The last thing I need is for them to not pay me for my notice period because they think I am being unreasonable and refusing to work - after they look like they are trying to work with me.

But I do not want them to know who I am interviewing with either.
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Re: Time off for job interviews - free time or deducted as unpaid leave?

go to RAV, and apply for unemployment benefits there. Your RAV consultant will probably be able to help you to get the time off for job interview. Also, he may provide a letter stating "Mr. XY is attending job-related interview on YY date" without disclosing the company name.
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Re: Time off for job interviews - free time or deducted as unpaid leave?

There is no need for them to know who you are interviewing with.
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