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Chances of getting a job as an engineer

Hello everyone

I am Swiss, my husband is from Lebanon. We lived in Ghana for a while before my husband lost his job there. Now I returned to Switzerland and want to bring my husband here. I am pregnant and we want nothing more that start a live here.

Now my question is what the chances are for a foreigner to get a job here. I hear very different things and I thought it might be interesting to ask you here in this forum.

My husband has a master degree in Electrical Engineering and has worked for about 8 years.

Any ideas or inputs anyone?

Thanks a lot!
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Hello everyone

I am Swiss, my husband is from Lebanon. We lived in Ghana for a while before my husband lost his job there. Now I returned to Switzerland and want to bring my husband here. I am pregnant and we want nothing more that start a live here.

Now my question is what the chances are for a foreigner to get a job here. I hear very different things and I thought it might be interesting to ask you here in this forum.

My husband has a master degree in Electrical Engineering and has worked for about 8 years.

Any ideas or inputs anyone?

Thanks a lot!
Which Language speak your husband?
If he speak Germanor French he can try to find something in the relative part of CH; for engineer is relaitvely easy to find a job.
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Re: Chances of getting a job as an engineer

Samira, welcome to the forum. The point is YOU need to be able to show you can financially support him as he will get a dependent's permit due to being married to you. Requirements for Swiss nationals will be similar to those for EU nationals I would think.

https://www.ch.ch/en/family-reunification-eu-efta

As M4rcuis says, it may depend on what Swiss languages, if any, your husband speaks and where you plan to settle here. It wouldn't be very good for him job hunting wise if he speaks French, but you want to live in the German speaking part of Switzerland. I think he would also need to get his qualifications recognised here before he could start working. Contact this organisation to start:

State Secretariat for Education, Research and Innovation SERI
Contact point for the recognition of foreign qualifications

Einsteinstrasse 2, CH-3003 Bern
Tel. +41 (0)58 462 28 26
E-mail: kontaktstelle@sbfi.admin.ch
www.sbfi.admin.ch/diploma

You need to contact your cantonal migration office and make an application to bring him in as your dependent. At the same time he needs to apply for a Type D (long term) visa at the Swiss embassy/consulate of the country he's in at present or in his home country if that's where he is. The two will be matched up during the application process. If you can meet the requirements the permit will be approved and an entry visa for him will be issued, he'll need to get it stamped in his passport. He then has a certain period of time to make the move to Switzerland. Once here, he needs to go to the cantonal migration office to get his permit. It may not allow working to start with, just residence. I know EU dependent permits don't, but not sure if ones for Swiss nationals include work rights straightaway or not. Even if it doesn't as soon as he gets a job offer he just needs to take his contract to the migration office to add the work part.
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Re: Chances of getting a job as an engineer

Thanks so much for your answers.

First, I mainly wanted to know if my husband has a chance here as an electrical engineer who has almost 10 years of work experience in the field of production lines (being responsible for everything regarding smooth production, including troubleshooting, negotiating with suppliers, ordering spare parts, improving production...). He speaks fluently English and French and we are open to live in the French part of Switzerland if necessary or we might even go abroad again for a limited time with a Swiss or international company.

Do you think he might have chances here? He got his Masters degree in Lebanon. Does it have to be recognized here? Isn't engineering a non-regulated job?

Then, the second issue is the one regarding the long stay visa. Unfortunately, I am on unemployment insurance due to my pregnancy. That might complicate things...
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If he speaks French I would look at jobs in French areas and just call companies in his field. It is difficult to gauge how hard it will be to find work, but I don't think his chances are that bad.
As for a visa, just apply for a D-visa for him. It should not be a problem that you are unemployed, when I applied for my husband last year, they never asked about our financial situation at all.
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As for a visa, just apply for a D-visa for him. It should not be a problem that you are unemployed, when I applied for my husband last year, they never asked about our financial situation at all.
May I ask you if you and your husband are from an EU country? If yes, I understand why they didn't check on your financial situation. EU citizen below under the EU law (Schengen), but Swiss citizen wanting to bring someone from a third party country belong under the Swiss law for immigration which is much stricter.
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Re: Chances of getting a job as an engineer

Yes, qualifications will need to be recognised here:

The SERI is responsible for recognising the following foreign qualifications for holders wishing to carry out specific occupations or professions in Switzerland:

Upper-secondary level qualifications relating to vocational education and training (VET)

Social care, industry, craftsmanship, trade, commerce, HORECA, hospitality services, services, etc.

Tertiary-level A qualifications for specific professions (Fachhochschule)


Engineering and IT

Architecture, construction and planning

Chemistry and life sciences

Agriculture and forestry

Economics and services

Design

Health care

Social work

Performing arts

Applied linguistics

VET teachers (Berufschullehrer/innen)

For information, contact:

State Secretariat for Education, Research and Innovation SERI
Contact point for the recognition of foreign qualifications

Einsteinstrasse 2, CH-3003 Bern
Tel. +41 (0)58 462 28 26
E-mail: kontaktstelle@sbfi.admin.ch
www.sbfi.admin.ch/diploma

http://www.sbfi.admin.ch/diploma/017...x.html?lang=en

Engineering I assume will include the electrical side as well.

This may give a bit more general info too:

http://aso.ch/files/webcontent/recht..._with_logo.pdf
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The point is YOU need to be able to show you can financially support him as he will get a dependent's permit due to being married to you. Requirements for Swiss nationals will be similar to those for EU nationals I would think.
Absolutely not! They're married and she's a Swiss national, why are you linking to material about permit holders bringing family, it's completely inapplicable. There's absolutely no requirement to demonstrate financial support as he's even eligible for social help if required.


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Yes, qualifications will need to be recognised here:

The SERI is responsible for recognising the following foreign qualifications for holders wishing to carry out specific occupations or professions in Switzerland:

Upper-secondary level qualifications relating to vocational education and training (VET)

Social care, industry, craftsmanship, trade, commerce, HORECA, hospitality services, services, etc.

Tertiary-level A qualifications for specific professions (Fachhochschule)


Engineering and IT

Architecture, construction and planning

Chemistry and life sciences

Agriculture and forestry

Economics and services

Design

Health care

Social work

Performing arts

Applied linguistics

VET teachers (Berufschullehrer/innen)

For information, contact:

State Secretariat for Education, Research and Innovation SERI
Contact point for the recognition of foreign qualifications

Einsteinstrasse 2, CH-3003 Bern
Tel. +41 (0)58 462 28 26
E-mail: kontaktstelle@sbfi.admin.ch
www.sbfi.admin.ch/diploma

http://www.sbfi.admin.ch/diploma/017...x.html?lang=en

Engineering I assume will include the electrical side as well.

This may give a bit more general info too:

http://aso.ch/files/webcontent/recht..._with_logo.pdf
Again, completely inapplicable. Everything you listed is for fachhochschule level and under equivalency. She said he has an MSc, so a completely different animal.

The question, as I read it, is leaning more towards the acceptance of HR to the profile, of which I have no idea. And yes, Engineering (like most here) is generally a non-protected term (terrifying, though explains a lot, that any idiot can call themselves an architect and start pushing out "designs" without any formal background). It's all up to whether it strikes the employer as legit enough to extend the invitation.

STEM fields are usually in high demand, but, and it's completely anecdotal, I've personally seen a bit of a decline in the Engineering postings over the past year.
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Re: Chances of getting a job as an engineer

So, do I understand correctly that he doesn't need to have his degree recognized here in Switzerland?

I heard from people who brought in their husbands with a good education (computer science, but I don't know which level etc.) and they couldn't find a job in their fields and had to go work as an untrained employee in a factory. To be honest, this scares me!

Unfortunately, there is a stricter law for Swiss citizens that for EU ones as there isn't the same law applied. That's very unfortunate for us Swiss and to our disadvantage. I indeed need to show my financial status (which isn't good at all due to the special situation I am in) because the authorities want to make sure Switzerland won't have to pay for my husband.

And I also need to find an apartment because the landlord is against my husband living here with me. In my canton the authorities demand a written consent from the landlord. That is not necessary in all Cantons. It is just bad luck. It is very hard to find an apartment without having a job here.
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So, do I understand correctly that he doesn't need to have his degree recognized here in Switzerland?

I heard from people who brought in their husbands with a good education (computer science, but I don't know which level etc.) and they couldn't find a job in their fields and had to go work as an untrained employee in a factory. To be honest, this scares me!

Unfortunately, there is a stricter law for Swiss citizens that for EU ones as there isn't the same law applied. That's very unfortunate for us Swiss and to our disadvantage. I indeed need to show my financial status (which isn't good at all due to the special situation I am in) because the authorities want to make sure Switzerland won't have to pay for my husband.

And I also need to find an apartment because the landlord is against my husband living here with me. In my canton the authorities demand a written consent from the landlord. That is not necessary in all Cantons. It is just bad luck. It is very hard to find an apartment without having a job here.
I'm not sure where you got that, but as a Swiss national myself, I absolutely did not have to show any financial information to get my wife's permit issued.

For the degree, official recognition and a job offer are two entirely different things. My degree is under Bologna, so never had to have the discussion, but I did contact the body linked years ago. The response was that they really only care about Berufs- and Fachhochschule level degrees - for university level, it's up to the local universities as to whether or not it's considered "real". Maybe check with the ETH/EPFL websites/call to see if his university is listed as known.

But, none of that will secure a job. I've seen more than enough stories of qualified people sitting unemployed for too long to take anything as a guarantee. There was a link up way back about the frictional unemployment disparity between "born-here swiss" and everyone else. Wasn't exactly encouraging.
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I'm not sure where you got that, but as a Swiss national myself, I absolutely did not have to show any financial information to get my wife's permit issued.
I asked the migration office and I printed their application form where it is clearly stated under the docs I have to turn in with the application. Also, in the form they ask for my income and my savings.

Is your wife EU-citizen? When did you get her permit? If it was some years ago, since then the laws here got stricter.
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Interesting as we were not asked either, I am Swiss, my husband Canadian. We did apply from Canada, and all came over together, and our children are dual citizens, maybe that made the difference?
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So, do I understand correctly that he doesn't need to have his degree recognized here in Switzerland?
I have an MSc in Electrical Engineering/IT from the EU and I never had to get it accepted. The SO is a chemist with a PhD, she didn't need to do anything either.

Engineering MSc-s are good to go. Not sure about production work in Switzerland as most sectors are now outsourcing, but as an E.Eng. he should be fairly quick to find a job, and you as a Swiss National should be quick to find an apartment. Good luck!
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Re: Chances of getting a job as an engineer

My husband received the family reunion visa now and we're happy.

Now, he needs to find a job as an engineer or technician. We are scanning the websites of potential employers regularly, have subscribed to job searching machines on the internet and so on. I would find it a good idea to also contact job agencies.

Does anyone know which ones to approach as my husband speaks English? Are there any that are specialized in technical jobs?

Have you experience with such agencies? Were you invited for an interview? I can answer all these questions for myself, but being Swiss it is a different story so I seek your comments.

Any input is helpful.
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May I ask you if you and your husband are from an EU country? If yes, I understand why they didn't check on your financial situation. EU citizen below under the EU law (Schengen), but Swiss citizen wanting to bring someone from a third party country belong under the Swiss law for immigration which is much stricter.
I am non-EU, my wife Swiss and was never checked for financial support. We came here with virtually no money. We did however stay with family. This was five years ago. Considering you are married I do not see how the application can be denied unless there is some kind of suspicion regarding the relationship. Best to ask your embassy - government contact though.
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It might look daunting, but have a rummage through these stickys, taken from the top of the Employment section:

English speaking companies + Web Sites for job searchers in Switzerland

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[Swiss Job market] English-Speaking Companies

Be sure your husband mentions (prominently) on his CV and on his cover letters that he's here on a family reunification B-permit. Otherwise employers might see his nationality and bin the application because they think they have to go through a non-EU hiring process.
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I have an MSc in Electrical Engineering/IT from the EU and I never had to get it accepted. The SO is a chemist with a PhD, she didn't need to do anything either.

Engineering MSc-s are good to go. Not sure about production work in Switzerland as most sectors are now outsourcing, but as an E.Eng. he should be fairly quick to find a job, and you as a Swiss National should be quick to find an apartment. Good luck!
I have an IT Masters and have never had to convert qualifications. It is up to the employer to decide what value this holds.
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Re: Chances of getting a job as an engineer

Thanks for all the input.

Does anyone have recommendation on which agency to contact in the German-speaking part?

How easily or not did you find a job here in Switzerland?
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From what we've seen, you will want to budget enough funds for at least 6 months and ideally a year to job hunt. You may find a job quickly (in Swiss terms, quick = ~3 months), but I think it's smart/safe to budget for a bit longer term. It's also a lot less stressful if you plan for it take 6-12 months.

I don't know the German firms, but I'm sure someone will be along soon with that.

PS - I also know a lot of people that have been looking for longer than 12 months, but if you have a solid track record in your field, a valuable skill set and some solid references and work in a reasonably high demand field (like your husband does, I think), it generally works out eventually

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Indeed.ch is always a good starting point.
Put his CV up to freelance.de as well and get a Xing/linkedin premium membership, those certainly help.
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