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Old 11.01.2015, 02:17
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Leaving the money and the scenic aspect apart, would like to have a few thoughts on the employment aspect

for an IT non-EU guy, I keep hearing that USA is a land of opportunity. Switzerland also has a lot of jobs but you dont qualify for 70% of them because of the language (though Swiss are rarely seen in the IT field, Austrians and Germans make up for the vacancies and have a huge advantage due to the lingo).

can someone share their experiences in this regard. where woudl one want to focus their energy to immigrate in the current situation ? US or CH ? I personally (though did get a couple of offers ..) felt employment here is more of a hassle while far less qualified acquaintances of mine seem to be doing well in the US (though they earn a bit less .. but i think as you grow older .. its a job you care more about than how much it pays no? )

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You would need to take into consideration the social climates and attitudes of both countries. For one, if you were working in Switzerland you will always be looked at as a foreigner, no matter how well you integrate. Then there is the whole language issue and the attitude towards people coming from a non-native speaking background. If you were to work in the US for the same amount of time as in Switzerland, you would be able to acquire more material goods (ie. a house) which is somewhat an unfathomable thought in Switzerland because of the high cost etc. Think of simple life matters such as laundry and shopping for instance..There are no laundromats and as most people rent, you would most likely need to adhere to a laundry schedule. In terms of shopping, it's a nightmare. There are no 24h stores and unless you live in Zurich, store opening hours are rather stringent and the quality of the procude is inferior and the choices of goods are rather limited. These are just 2 simple factors which tend to bother me a lot but are definitely worthwhile taking into account. One big advantageof living in Switzerland are the holidays, as you would most likely get more vacation days here than in the US. This being said, I would choose the US over Switzerland for your particular scenario.
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You would need to take into consideration the social climates and attitudes of both countries. For one, if you were working in Switzerland you will always be looked at as a foreigner, no matter how well you integrate. Then there is the whole language issue and the attitude towards people coming from a non-native speaking background.

If you were to work in the US for the same amount of time as in Switzerland, you would be able to acquire more material goods (ie. a house) which is somewhat an unfathomable thought in Switzerland because of the high cost etc.

Think of simple life matters such as laundry and shopping for instance..There are no laundromats and as most people rent, you would most likely need to adhere to a laundry schedule. In terms of shopping, it's a nightmare. There are no 24h stores and unless you live in Zurich, store opening hours are rather stringent and the quality of the procude is inferior and the choices of goods are rather limited. These are just 2 simple factors which tend to bother me a lot but are definitely worthwhile taking into account. One big advantage of living in Switzerland are the holidays, as you would most likely get more vacation days here than in the US. This being said, I would choose the US over Switzerland for your particular scenario.
All GREAT points Lost-inbroad. All factors that I wish I knew before coming here!

IMO, If I were the OP - working in IT and only speaking English, i would move to the US in a heartbeat. In the Bay Area, there are TONS of IT/web jobs, a much friendlier and open culture. And you don't need to be fluent in multiple languages to get a job or communicate with people. Bay Area is still leading in terms of IT, tech innovation, business entrepreneurship, etc.

I'm sorry, you simply cannot compare San Francisco Bay Area or Silicon Valley to the entire "rest of the US." No comparison... More companies are now beginning to offer better packages such as 4 weeks off per year (in addition to an average 10 paid holidays per year) Many are launching nice benefits like paid Paternity leave programs for employees as well. True, houses are not "cheap" in the Bay Area, but the cost of living in US is MUCH MUCH cheaper than Switzerland...!!!!

The weather is mild and glorious year round (averages about 18 C /65-70 F degrees - no snow/freezing temps and rarely ever rains!) Within 2-3 hours, you can Ski/hike in the mountains, or visit the ocean coast/beach or Lake Tahoe, see beautiful Redwood forests, National parks, or go wine tasting in Napa. An hour flight you are south where it is super warm & sunny, you can vacation cheaply in Mexico or Hawaii. There is something for everyone to do (no matter what your interest or hobby!)

Stores and restaurants are open normal hours and on Sundays!! The diversity of culture and ethnicity is so great (truly a melting pot), amazing restaurants, arts scene, landscapes, it's a special place. lol, I think I've just convinced myself to move back!!
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So my experience is the following : You apply to a lot of jobs where you are definetely qualified (Infact - not to brag but i do have good qualifications to do the jobs to which i have applied) . You receive responses like your qualificatiosn dont match our requirements or we found better candidates which is ridiculous (i just assume they just give the fit factor so much priority over skills ) . After a while you could tend to question yourself whether you are really capable of doing the job and try to digress from your core competence :-) and try to start learning the language (would love to and also can speak pretty ok, but its a long process and one cannot get fluent in a year or two with a busy work schedule going on) .... So somehow I feel things are biased around here often . I have never worked in the US but the feedback there is skill takes precedence over the 'fit factor' and the best man wins ... (again , I have not seen or worked in the US )
I as customer will usually not do business unless my dialect (standard Ostschweiz, nothing fancy) is understood and comprehended hassle free. This is fairly typical customer requirement, so indeed you are severely lacking in a core competency. Rather than "digress" you would, in reality, become truly fit if you decided to learn/improve the local language.

I keep being amazed at how people wash over their lack in qualifications. Obviously it's easier to externalize, rather than take an honest look in the mirror.
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I as customer will usually not do business unless my dialect (standard Ostschweiz, nothing fancy) is understood and comprehended hassle free. This is fairly typical customer requirement, so indeed you are severely lacking in a core competency. Rather than "digress" you would, in reality, become truly fit if you decided to learn/improve the local language.

I keep being amazed at how people wash over their lack in qualifications. Obviously it's easier to externalize, rather than take an honest look in the mirror.
Thanks for highlighting. I am not trying to 'externalize' whatever you mean by that ... Rather i just wanted a fair opinion from others about my situation and since i still am young , want to get a reality check where i should focus my energy. As i said earlier, learning language is a great thing if you manage to accomplish .. many did .. so its not something alien .. but it needs time and dedication .. say 12-24 months off work and 12 hrs a day kind of dedication - which I cannot afford to.

Also to share an example of what i have experienced, a few months ago I interviewed with a high-tech firm in OstSchweiz and they are definetely international and all could speak English. They even have an outsourcing division in India. I clearly aced all the interview quesitons and could demonstrate knowledge on topics their internal team did not know. So how can language be a barrier here? (Note: I did the interview in German ... not great but just to prove that i was motivated to learn the language) .. I cannot turn to a OstSchweiz accent overnight right? So this means this 'international' firm needs to look for talent only locally .. ?

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Are you, me ?
good to have someone else's empathy.
If you have a good plan to deal with it, pls let me know
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