Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Employment
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 19.01.2015, 09:57
fromsiggenthal's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Somewhere on the earth :)
Posts: 302
Groaned at 10 Times in 9 Posts
Thanked 33 Times in 18 Posts
fromsiggenthal is considered unworthyfromsiggenthal is considered unworthyfromsiggenthal is considered unworthyfromsiggenthal is considered unworthy
Allowances mistake by HR

Hi,

I was informed by my HR that they have made a mistake in my contract. Instead of typing "XXXXCHF will be paid once as relocation allowance", it was typed as "XXXXCHF will be paid once a month for next 12 months as relocation allowance".
I have even double checked this when I got the offer and called them to confirm. Then the HR assistant ( HR manager was on leave) said it was correct that way as typed.
So as its a very good allowance, I signed the offer and send it back.
HR manager signed it before, I suppose she did not read the contract herself.
Now I have taken a loan calculating this allowance.
Now the HR has found their mistaken and wants to renogotiate with me offering me some reloaction assistance and moving costs which are around 30% to the actual allowance mentioned in the offer.
They said its upto me to accept or reject as the mistake is on their side.

Now, if I say no to their offer, I'm afraid they would make something else later, like rejecting some trainings etc.
Any one please advice which is the right thing for me to do now.
Accept their new allowance or reject it?

thanks
__________________
With regards,
Fs
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank fromsiggenthal for this useful post:
  #2  
Old 19.01.2015, 10:05
roegner's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3,038
Groaned at 87 Times in 65 Posts
Thanked 3,068 Times in 1,571 Posts
roegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Allowances mistake by HR

As this is clearly a mistake the chances are, that when you do not accept, they may reconsider having you for longer term. At least that is my experience.
Is the relocation package in the "normal" form acceptable? Then accept.
Reply With Quote
This user groans at roegner for this post:
  #3  
Old 19.01.2015, 10:07
Nil's Avatar
Nil Nil is offline
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Basel
Posts: 10,380
Groaned at 442 Times in 346 Posts
Thanked 15,954 Times in 6,287 Posts
Nil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Allowances mistake by HR

That's what I think too. They might get rid of you earlier because you become much more expensive.
Reply With Quote
This user groans at Nil for this post:
  #4  
Old 19.01.2015, 10:13
Corbets's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Zug, CH
Posts: 2,836
Groaned at 155 Times in 111 Posts
Thanked 5,380 Times in 1,838 Posts
Corbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Allowances mistake by HR

Quote:
View Post
Now, if I say no to their offer, I'm afraid they would make something else later, like rejecting some trainings etc.
Any one please advice which is the right thing for me to do now.
Accept their new allowance or reject it?
It's rather more likely that they'll simply terminate your contract. You might get the relocation allowance for 2-3 months (whatever your termination period is) and then you'd be out of a job.

Keeping that it in mind, it's up to you to decide whether to fight for it or not; after all, they signed the contract. Is it worth you to come out here for 3 months of salary and relocation allowance, then lose your job?

It sounds to me like they're offering a fair deal - they clearly made a mistake, but can't terminate your contract in less than the termination period for a mistake on their side, and the 30% of the original offer you mentioned sounds roughly equivalent to the standard termination period.

It's hard to imagine what kind of salary / relocation allowance you're talking about here - I'd have figured a one-off of anything from 10-20k (unless you're a real bigwig) for a relocation allowance, so getting that monthly must have doubled your salary, give or take!
__________________
I'm likely typing from an iPad. Please disregard odd word usage.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 19.01.2015, 10:21
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 4,652
Groaned at 152 Times in 118 Posts
Thanked 9,568 Times in 3,219 Posts
k_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Allowances mistake by HR

if you plan to stay for the company for a long time, then have the mistake corrected. Otherwise your career is over before you start.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 19.01.2015, 10:33
Loz1983's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Zürich
Posts: 1,064
Groaned at 295 Times in 172 Posts
Thanked 5,163 Times in 1,847 Posts
Loz1983 has a reputation beyond reputeLoz1983 has a reputation beyond reputeLoz1983 has a reputation beyond reputeLoz1983 has a reputation beyond reputeLoz1983 has a reputation beyond reputeLoz1983 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Allowances mistake by HR

First lesson here is that if something looks too good to be true then it most likely is. That said, you did call to confirm, which they did, so it's not your fault. If I were you I'd explain your situation, accept it's their mistake, and see if you can negotiate a better offer than what they're making at the moment. In the end it'll be in both your interests to come to a satisfactory agreement so I wouldn't worry too much.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Loz1983 for this useful post:
  #7  
Old 19.01.2015, 10:55
fromsiggenthal's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Somewhere on the earth :)
Posts: 302
Groaned at 10 Times in 9 Posts
Thanked 33 Times in 18 Posts
fromsiggenthal is considered unworthyfromsiggenthal is considered unworthyfromsiggenthal is considered unworthyfromsiggenthal is considered unworthy
Re: Allowances mistake by HR

Quote:
View Post
It's hard to imagine what kind of salary / relocation allowance you're talking about here - I'd have figured a one-off of anything from 10-20k (unless you're a real bigwig) for a relocation allowance, so getting that monthly must have doubled your salary, give or take!
Its not 10-20K per month For sure doesnt double my salary.
Its 1K per month for next 12 months.
They are offering me something like 4K for once as allowance.

Would I be terminated for a matter of 8K CHF?
As i said, i made a loan taking in to account this allowance , I even double checked before signing the offer.
Feeling like
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 19.01.2015, 11:06
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Biel
Posts: 788
Groaned at 35 Times in 28 Posts
Thanked 715 Times in 363 Posts
glinaa has an excellent reputationglinaa has an excellent reputationglinaa has an excellent reputationglinaa has an excellent reputation
Re: Allowances mistake by HR

Quote:
View Post
Would I be terminated for a matter of 8K CHF?
As i said, i made a loan taking in to account this allowance , I even double checked before signing the offer.
Feeling like
Talk to your HR about the loan. What I would do is: 1. Agree to their new allowance proposition 2. Negotiate a loan from your company with reasonable repayment terms, which would cover you financially
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 19.01.2015, 11:08
The_Love_Doctor's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Zugerberg, Zug
Posts: 2,757
Groaned at 69 Times in 53 Posts
Thanked 3,057 Times in 1,450 Posts
The_Love_Doctor has a reputation beyond reputeThe_Love_Doctor has a reputation beyond reputeThe_Love_Doctor has a reputation beyond reputeThe_Love_Doctor has a reputation beyond reputeThe_Love_Doctor has a reputation beyond reputeThe_Love_Doctor has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Allowances mistake by HR

Accept their offer and be done with it.

It was a mistake, so put yourselves in their shoes.

As for the loan, then just pay back the loan, but if you've already spent the monies then there isn't much you can do.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 19.01.2015, 11:38
NotAllThere's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Baselland
Posts: 8,974
Groaned at 140 Times in 122 Posts
Thanked 12,254 Times in 5,009 Posts
NotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Allowances mistake by HR

Go with their correction, but if you've suffered material loss, ask them to cover that as well. It's all about being reasonable.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank NotAllThere for this useful post:
  #11  
Old 19.01.2015, 11:41
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: ZH
Posts: 4,438
Groaned at 55 Times in 45 Posts
Thanked 2,163 Times in 1,310 Posts
SOBEIT has a reputation beyond reputeSOBEIT has a reputation beyond reputeSOBEIT has a reputation beyond reputeSOBEIT has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Allowances mistake by HR

As already mention, take the new offer for a smoother transition.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 19.01.2015, 11:51
Troublawesome's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Zug
Posts: 721
Groaned at 124 Times in 75 Posts
Thanked 583 Times in 271 Posts
Troublawesome is considered unworthyTroublawesome is considered unworthyTroublawesome is considered unworthyTroublawesome is considered unworthy
Re: Allowances mistake by HR

Be professional, otherwise you'll be out of a job sooner than you realise.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 19.01.2015, 11:51
Belgianmum's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Was Belgium now Neuchâtel
Posts: 8,209
Groaned at 60 Times in 57 Posts
Thanked 10,234 Times in 4,918 Posts
Belgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Allowances mistake by HR

Take the offer. You're still 3000chf better off than you would have been if the hadn't made the mistake and you don't rock the boat with your employers. Or negotiate to have it for six months instead of the 12, that allows for a bit of compromise from both sides.

Given the recent turn of events I wouldn't want to risk losing my job at the moment.

Last edited by Belgianmum; 19.01.2015 at 13:00.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 19.01.2015, 12:26
Meeyat's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Basel
Posts: 680
Groaned at 18 Times in 11 Posts
Thanked 874 Times in 349 Posts
Meeyat has a reputation beyond reputeMeeyat has a reputation beyond reputeMeeyat has a reputation beyond reputeMeeyat has a reputation beyond reputeMeeyat has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Allowances mistake by HR

I would not accept the change. Plain and simple. They have sent the written offer, you have asked to double-check, and they confirmed both verbally and in writing.

Only when you have actually moved (and taken that money into the account) they want to renegotiate. You have done your best, to go over it together with them, you pointed it out to them and they said it is in order. So it is in order then.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Meeyat for this useful post:
  #15  
Old 19.01.2015, 12:35
Castro's Avatar
à la mod
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Basel-Land of Smiles
Posts: 4,770
Groaned at 91 Times in 73 Posts
Thanked 12,711 Times in 4,143 Posts
Castro has a reputation beyond reputeCastro has a reputation beyond reputeCastro has a reputation beyond reputeCastro has a reputation beyond reputeCastro has a reputation beyond reputeCastro has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Allowances mistake by HR

First rule when dealing with HR, they are always right even when they're wrong. I have a little insight as I'm married to a HR Business Partner and dealing with uppity little oiks who claim this, that or the other was in their contract means absolutely nothing to them. Just like all of us they make mistakes and they expect you to be understanding, but if you're not prepared to show goodwill then things *could* end up being very difficult for you in the future.

Just friendly advice gained from experience
Reply With Quote
The following 8 users would like to thank Castro for this useful post:
  #16  
Old 19.01.2015, 12:35
Today only's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Europe
Posts: 3,742
Groaned at 484 Times in 294 Posts
Thanked 3,985 Times in 1,985 Posts
Today only has a reputation beyond reputeToday only has a reputation beyond reputeToday only has a reputation beyond reputeToday only has a reputation beyond reputeToday only has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Allowances mistake by HR

Quote:
View Post
I would not accept the change. Plain and simple. They have sent the written offer, you have asked to double-check, and they confirmed both verbally and in writing.

Only when you have actually moved (and taken that money into the account) they want to renegotiate. You have done your best, to go over it together with them, you pointed it out to them and they said it is in order. So it is in order then.

And they got your mailing address to send your notice too !
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 19.01.2015, 12:57
nigelr's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Aargau
Posts: 1,434
Groaned at 109 Times in 53 Posts
Thanked 1,499 Times in 725 Posts
nigelr has a reputation beyond reputenigelr has a reputation beyond reputenigelr has a reputation beyond reputenigelr has a reputation beyond reputenigelr has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Allowances mistake by HR

Rule 1: Normally the most incompetent idiots in any company are in HR
Rule 2: A contract is a contract.

You will find a million posts on the EF about signing a contract and not reading it blah blah blah so you're an idiot etc, but when it comes down to employee vs employer everybody runs scared.

Fact is you have a signed contract and double checked it with them. Fact is also they can fire you but they need a valid reason. As they have just relocated you for the role finding a valid reason will not be so easy.

I suspect the best thing to do is be reasonable but if you want to fight it you can do. HR normally back down once it gets interesting, they don't have the balls for it, if they did they would be doing a real job.

Tell HR to bare with you whilst you take legal advice.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank nigelr for this useful post:
This user groans at nigelr for this post:
  #18  
Old 19.01.2015, 13:04
fromsiggenthal's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Somewhere on the earth :)
Posts: 302
Groaned at 10 Times in 9 Posts
Thanked 33 Times in 18 Posts
fromsiggenthal is considered unworthyfromsiggenthal is considered unworthyfromsiggenthal is considered unworthyfromsiggenthal is considered unworthy
Re: Allowances mistake by HR

Quote:
View Post
Rule 1: Normally the most incompetent idiots in any company are in HR
Rule 2: A contract is a contract.

You will find a million posts on the EF about signing a contract and not reading it blah blah blah so you're an idiot etc, but when it comes down to employee vs employer everybody runs scared.

Fact is you have a signed contract and double checked it with them. Fact is also they can fire you but they need a valid reason. As they have just relocated you for the role finding a valid reason will not be so easy.

I suspect the best thing to do is be reasonable but if you want to fight it you can do. HR normally back down once it gets interesting, they don't have the balls for it, if they did they would be doing a real job.

Tell HR to bare with you whilst you take legal advice.
With current job market, I'm afraid to fight with HR.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 19.01.2015, 13:05
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: ZH
Posts: 4,438
Groaned at 55 Times in 45 Posts
Thanked 2,163 Times in 1,310 Posts
SOBEIT has a reputation beyond reputeSOBEIT has a reputation beyond reputeSOBEIT has a reputation beyond reputeSOBEIT has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Allowances mistake by HR

Quote:
View Post
With current job market, I'm afraid to fight with HR.
Exactly, beggars can't be choosers...
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 19.01.2015, 13:06
Corbets's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Zug, CH
Posts: 2,836
Groaned at 155 Times in 111 Posts
Thanked 5,380 Times in 1,838 Posts
Corbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Allowances mistake by HR

Quote:
View Post
Fact is also they can fire you but they need a valid reason.
No, they don't, at least not in any meaningful sense. If they decide that an employee is too expensive, he can be let go after the agreed notice period, no further "reason" required.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Corbets for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Children allowances Wynton Employment 11 11.01.2013 16:31
Customs Allowances Blakey Finance/banking/taxation 4 10.04.2010 19:48
changind driving license - gave me a limited one (by mistake) !? wangone Transportation/driving 1 27.10.2008 22:39


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 14:30.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0