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Old 04.02.2015, 14:25
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To any HR personnel out there!

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My wife applied for a job last year. After several rounds (3 rounds) of interview, the company finally said that they have selected a internal candidate due to some company policy.

After a few months my wife contacted the manager for any open positions because she was very much interested in that role, he said that at the moment there are none but he has her in the top of their list if anything comes up.

Now, a job with same title came up in the same company. She applied again.
She contacted the manager who interviewed her and asked about it. He said that the job is in his group and also said she will be contacted soon.

Now she has got an interview.

What I wanted to know is what is going on in their minds. What are her chances now?
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Old 04.02.2015, 14:53
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Re: To any HR personnel out there!

Any company that requires more than 3 rounds of interviews has internal issues characteristics of slow, bureaucratic organizations. Why didn't they review there policy of hiring internally during the first time, that seemed to have wasted time on both sides. is it the same job now? if so already then the person who started it has gone back to there previous role and now they are searching externally which isn't company policy...back to square one
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Old 04.02.2015, 15:01
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Why didn't they review there policy of hiring internally during the first time, that seemed to have wasted time on both sides.
Because company policy often dictates to also search for candidates outside the company. Stupid policy? Sure. But it is what it is.



OP, no one can tell you what her chances are If she was called, I'd personally say that it doesn't look too bad - there must be a reason and she seems to have left a positive impression, especially as the "we will keep your application on file and will call you if something comes up" is usually just some sort of weak consolation with little intent to actually follow through. However, regardless, I certainly wouldn't take an invite to a first interview as a guarantee for anything.
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Old 04.02.2015, 15:04
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Any company that requires more than 3 rounds of interviews has internal issues characteristics of slow, bureaucratic organizations. Why didn't they review there policy of hiring internally during the first time, that seemed to have wasted time on both sides. is it the same job now? if so already then the person who started it has gone back to there previous role and now they are searching externally which isn't company policy...back to square one
yes, it is exactly the same job.
The only difference is that she had go the interview last time via a consultant.
This time it is direct application.
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Old 04.02.2015, 15:20
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My guess? They started recruiting in the open market, found your wife and liked her as a candidate. Somewhere along the chain of events, there was a headcount freeze, so they had to choose a (less qualified) internal candidate instead.

That person has perhaps not worked out, and they've reopened the position. The headcount freeze has been lifted (strike while the iron is hot -- with the CHF/EUR rate, it may be back soon) and they're hiring. Or they got an exception from the headcount freeze because the first internal candidate didn't work out and they don't want to get bitten twice.

If she's been invited back to interview, I suspect her chances are probably pretty good.
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My guess? They started recruiting in the open market, found your wife and liked her as a candidate. Somewhere along the chain of events, there was a headcount freeze, so they had to choose a (less qualified) internal candidate instead.

That person has perhaps not worked out, and they've reopened the position. The headcount freeze has been lifted (strike while the iron is hot -- with the CHF/EUR rate, it may be back soon) and they're hiring. Or they got an exception from the headcount freeze because the first internal candidate didn't work out and they don't want to get bitten twice.

If she's been invited back to interview, I suspect her chances are probably pretty good.
They know that they have take it long time and 3 rounds during the first time. So what I think is would they do the same the second time?
Any body had such experience?
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Old 04.02.2015, 16:10
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Any company that requires more than 3 rounds of interviews has internal issues characteristics of slow, bureaucratic organizations. Why didn't they review there policy of hiring internally during the first time, that seemed to have wasted time on both sides. is it the same job now? if so already then the person who started it has gone back to there previous role and now they are searching externally which isn't company policy...back to square one
You'd be surprised how often this happens.

I've also been in the position of seeking to hire somebody, being told by HR there isn't a suitable internal candidate, getting some preferential candidates lined up only to have HR come up and say I can't hire an external person because there is an internal candidate and so sorry, we forgot to tell you.
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They know that they have take it long time and 3 rounds during the first time. So what I think is would they do the same the second time?
Any body had such experience?
I don't quite understand what it is you want to hear here. No one knows what company you are talking about and even if someone did, they certainly won't post detailed internal rules, guidelines and processes here.

Yes, chances are it will be the same procedure as last time. She got an interview, not an offer. Just because she got called months later - which speaks for the company as at least some of the candidate pooling seems to have worked out - doesn't mean they will follow a different process for her. Why would they. She's a candidate just like any other. They probably have other candidates lined up as well, both internal or external.

Village Idiot's assessment of the situation is pretty realistic - that's about what has probably happened, not more, not less.
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I don't quite understand what it is you want to hear here. No one knows what company you are talking about and even if someone did, they certainly won't post detailed internal rules, guidelines and processes here.

Yes, chances are it will be the same procedure as last time. She got an interview, not an offer. Just because she got called months later - which speaks for the company as at least some of the candidate pooling seems to have worked out - doesn't mean they will follow a different process for her. Why would they. She's a candidate just like any other. They probably have other candidates lined up as well, both internal or external.

Village Idiot's assessment of the situation is pretty realistic - that's about what has probably happened, not more, not less.
She's been called for a second interview. We hope it will not be the same like last time where she was called for 3 rounds of interview and finally gave the job to an internal candidate.

Fingers crossed.
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She's female and a foreigner (?) and has gone that far, I would say this sounds promising. If she had been over 50, I'd say here in Switzerland her chances would have been a lot slimmer than, say, in the USA or the U.K.
Age discrimination is open and quite shockingly "natural" here.
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