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When I moved to Ticino as a hardware/software engineer with 8 years experience, I was earning 100k/annum.

And this was in 1990.

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How much vs. neighboring countries was that? similar? lower?
Today thanks to very high frank what people get here is much more than people in Germany, Italy etc. I think salaries are going down basically to adjust to new situation.
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Degrees without experience will not even get you as far as 60k...you realize Msc Degrees these days is the same as High Scholl diplomas 40 years ago, almost everyone has one.
This was why.

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When I moved to Ticino as a hardware/software engineer with 8 years experience, I was earning 100k/annum.

And this was in 1990.

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Times haven't changed then :-)
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How much vs. neighboring countries was that? similar? lower?
50% - 100% higher, or more, especially compared to Italy.

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This was why.

Total nonsense.

Tom
Yes, indeed what you say is total nonsense.

I have the proof to show it, do you?

http://www.payscale.com/research/CH/...ars_Experience

http://www.salaryexplorer.com/salary...btype=3&type=1

How much I dislike people who think what they know is the absolute truth.
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I have the proof to show it, do you?
Yes, my salary statements.

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Re: Software Engineer 7+ years xp

Ok I see then, must be great to live in that world of yours but unfortunately the OP needs to face reality.

@OP: With 7 years experience 75k is too low, should be close if not just at 6-digits but of course depends on the company.

Check my links above as a starting point for your research and try to find connections in the company/area you are looking for and fish around for market rates. Headhunters that specialise in the area will be a good source too.
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Re: Software Engineer 7+ years xp

If you're paid EUR 70k then well, rather ask the question what is the corresponding salary to keep your standard of living, or savings. Just imagine that an average flat in a city will set you back by CHF 1e6., and that you need about a quarter of that as a downpayment and taxes, and then think in which country and with what salary you might actually save something for your family.
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If you're paid EUR 70k then well, rather ask the question what is the corresponding salary to keep your standard of living, or savings. Just imagine that an average flat in a city will set you back by CHF 1e6., and that you need about a quarter of that as a downpayment and taxes, and then think in which country and with what salary you might actually save something for your family.
And living in or near Bedano, you will need a car as well.

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@OP: With 7 years experience 75k is too low, should be close if not just at 6-digits but of course depends on the company.
Ah, so then you agree with me.

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Ah, so the "offered 75K" was a "would you like to be put forward for a job that offers 75K".
no, i have to give them a reply on Monday (9th)!

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Ok I see then, must be great to live in that world of yours but unfortunately the OP needs to face reality.

@OP: With 7 years experience 75k is too low, should be close if not just at 6-digits but of course depends on the company.

Check my links above as a starting point for your research and try to find connections in the company/area you are looking for and fish around for market rates. Headhunters that specialise in the area will be a good source too.
thanks for the information.

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no, i have to give them a reply on Monday (9th)!
OK, lets get this straight:

a) you currently make EUR 70k

b) you have a wife and kid(s)

c) various people on this thread who have never lived/worked in both Ticino and up north think that life is a lot cheaper here

d) people living in big Swiss cities and are used to good public transportation are unaware not aware that such doesn't exist around here, especially in Bedano.

So, realistically, I would not come here for less than 100k.

Of course, I've only lived in TI for 25 years, after four in ZH, so what do I know?

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Re: Software Engineer 7+ years xp

and i believe you! thanks!
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So, realistically, I would not come here for less than 100k.
Agreed, I would advise you to stay in Dublin (if there is not something else you particularly like about Ticino).

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And to the other people who think that it is impossible to get 90-110k as a graduate: It is not. I have personally gotten an offer at 92k (swiss startup), 105k (large swiss company) and have accepted at 161k (US company). This is annual salary including fixed bonus.
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Agreed, I would advise you to stay in Dublin (if there is not something else you particularly like about Ticino).
well there are reasons like proximity to Italy, better climate, accomodations and services. My wife also would find a job more easily (relatively) as her degree, which has no value here in Ireland, it is appreciated in Switzerland.
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well there are reasons like proximity to Italy, better climate, accomodations and services. My wife also would find a job more easily (relatively) as her degree, which has no value here in Ireland, it is appreciated in Switzerland.
If your wife works you will easily manage on 75k. In that case I would have taken it, there is no reason to decline the offer if moving to Ticino is what you want. You can probably get a higher paid job later if you want to.
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Re: Software Engineer 7+ years xp

Just beware: it is hard to imagine how expensive Switzerland is.
Many people on this forum were asking questions like: I earn x euro in Germany, what y francs I need to have an equivalent lifestyle.
And answers were more or less that for x euros in Germany one needs to get 2x francs to afford the same. I guess Irish prices are way closer to German that Swiss. Please search for these threads on this forum.
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Re: Software Engineer 7+ years xp

I can say that with CHF 75k gross, things are going to be tight for a family; but if you anticipate that your wife can find a job in the next six months or so, then you can scrape through until she starts working. We are currently in a similar situation after moving to Lugano.

Here's how we are surviving:

a) Show dependents on the TAX form to save ~300chf/pm on taxes (should be higher in your case, because you have a child)
b) Highest Deductible Health Insurance with Telmed model (premium is then ~chf250/person/mo)
c) UPC Cablecom basic Internet (FREE!)
d) Rent a 70m^2 3.5room apartment (rifled thru Sub-entrante listings on tutti.ch to find an apartment which suits our budget)
e) Buying M-Budget stuff and Azione labeled food
f) Pre-paid cell phone from Sunrise
g) Using mobility car sharing instead of buying a car
h) Buying a good chunk of our groceries from Aldi Suisse in Agno
i) Doing Window shopping with my wife
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Re: Software Engineer 7+ years xp

excellent advise. thanks!
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Just beware: it is hard to imagine how expensive Switzerland is.
Many people on this forum were asking questions like: I earn x euro in Germany, what y francs I need to have an equivalent lifestyle.
And answers were more or less that for x euros in Germany one needs to get 2x francs to afford the same. I guess Irish prices are way closer to German that Swiss. Please search for these threads on this forum.
Well Ireland is not Germany... I lived in Ireland for about 5 years before moving here and it is as well expensive, I'd say 'in shop' price level is closer to CH than DE. I think while moving from IE to CH is a move to more expensive country, but I think there is no big shock about it.
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Well Ireland is not Germany... I lived in Ireland for about 5 years before moving here and it is as well expensive, I'd say 'in shop' price level is closer to CH than DE. I think while moving from IE to CH is a move to more expensive country, but I think there is no big shock about it.
yes, i did a few comparisons online (using numbeo and others). Grocery it's a bit more expensive in CH. Rents and cars are the same (but quality of accomodations in CH is higher in average). Health care in general is more expensive in CH. What makes CH expensive in my opinion is their passion for insuring everything, on the other hand in Ireland most people don't have health insurance, pension, etc... simply because they can't afford it. Many people can't afford living in Dublin and they either commute from the neighbouring counties (2 hours a day) or share a flat/house for several years of their life.
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