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Re: Software Engineer 7+ years xp

75 K is around 6,200 per month gross.
Take out about 5 K per month for basic to moderate standard of living factoring in rent, insurance, food, travel costs. It does not leave much to save. In addition, you may have other additional costs from month to month that will hit that 1 k buffer. It sounds like too little to uproot your family and move to another country for. Switzerland is the place you come to when you get a nice offer well above your own country standards, to save money and have a nicer life when you get back. OR you do it for the lifestyle / cultural change. On 75 K, it will not be about getting financially better off.
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Take out about 5 K per month for basic to moderate standard of living factoring in rent, insurance, food, travel costs. It does not leave much to save.
exactly, this was my initial conclusion.

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Switzerland is the place you come to when you get a nice offer well above your own country standards
this is an interesting consideration.

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OR you do it for the lifestyle / cultural change. On 75 K
that's why we'd like to relocate.
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Re: Software Engineer 7+ years xp

I agree with the general consensus so far. It's a lovely part of the world to live in, but 75k is going to be a bit tight. I didn't see how old your nipper is, but if you're going to need child care, do bear in mind that that is also quite expensive.
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Re: Software Engineer 7+ years xp

A lot of people here are making very valid comments regarding the cost of living, etc.

But you must also consider if 75k is reasonable remuneration for someone with your skills, for the location where the work is offered.

As someone who has worked in Java development and finance in several countries, I think that 75k sounds very low for Switzerland.

If you like the idea of moving to Switzerland, then I would look around a bit more first. As a French/Italian/English speaker, you should be in high demand, or at least a top pick for any available roles. I don't think aiming for 100k is unreasonable. 120k is even possible.
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If you like the idea of moving to Switzerland, then I would look around a bit more first. As a French/Italian/English speaker, you should be in high demand, or at least a top pick for any available roles. I don't think aiming for 100k is unreasonable. 120k is even possible.
I have no idea what pay grades are like in software development. But this is surely quite a good point about your language abilities. That should be quite a plus.
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Re: Software Engineer 7+ years xp

Geneva might be the better place to look for work if you speak French, as wages are generally higher. Do not discount Zurich - Basel - Zug. There are opportunities for non German speaking people in IT, although development is one of those things that has been heavily outsourced in the last several years, so opportunities are less in this space. You have banking experience which would count heavily in your favour.
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I have no idea what pay grades are like in software development. But this is surely quite a good point about your language abilities. That should be quite a plus.
A lot of companies throughout Europe, especially banks, are so desperate for good Java developers that they will take English-only speakers. If you are a good developer and multi-lingual... go to the head of the class my friend!
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Geneva might be the better place to look for work if you speak French, as wages are generally higher.
From experience, the market is small

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You have banking experience which would count heavily in your favour.
A lot of banking posts require Swiss residency and/or nationality, which is something to consider when choosing which side of the border to live if based in Geneva.
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Re: Software Engineer 7+ years xp

So, what did you decide to do in the end? Did you try to negotiate? I agree with all the points mentioned regarding the salary being on the very low end of the scale. Unfortunately, salary dumping, due to the proximity with Italy, is not that uncommon in Ticino. You could have some margins for negotiations though. I myself worked for a credit card/payment company in Bedano (wonder if it is the same company you got an offer from?)! Good luck!
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Re: Software Engineer 7+ years xp

Hi Alessandra,

renegotiation was not possible. There's going to be a final round (just a formality to sign the contract) very soon, i'll make my mind before that date.
This is a bank and the process is very slow.

You are probably thinking about Aduno right? This is Corner Bank (sorry no accents on this keyboard) we are talking about.
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Re: Software Engineer 7+ years xp

75K is a really low salary for your experience.
Salaries in Ticino usually are lower than in other swiss cantons, but if your wife is not going to work even if some of the expenses are lower in Ticino it will be difficult to get to the end of the month.
For your experience a fair salary would be in the range between 90k and 110k. Really depends on the canton.

My suggestion is to try to negotiate for 90-100k and if they will not accept remain in Ireland.
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Re: Software Engineer 7+ years xp

Sounds like you have a great lifestyle in Ireland. Coming here with less than 100k will cause a big change to it, for the worse.

I'd say wait for something better but then again jobhunting from afar is not so easy. You could come alone for 6 months and save some money until your family moves but personally I would never leave family, even for a good job opportunity, especially not for a lowball offer.
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Hi Alessandra,

renegotiation was not possible. There's going to be a final round (just a formality to sign the contract) very soon, i'll make my mind before that date.
This is a bank and the process is very slow.

You are probably thinking about Aduno right? This is Corner Bank (sorry no accents on this keyboard) we are talking about.

Hello,

I was indeed referring to Aduno, but I myself worked as a contractor for Cornercard in Pregassona/Bedano (part of a large project that has now been closed). The contract of employment with the bank should offer a few perks and, from my experience even as a contractor, you should be able to have a great work life balance there (flexi time etc.), not so common in Ticino. What does your wife do? I wouldn't want to discourage you but the job market in Ticino isn't easy, getting a job may take quite a long time, a lot depends on what she does. Another point to consider on the plus side is that this opportunity may give you a door in the Swiss market, should you intend to stay here and perhaps move where there is more work (e.g. Zurich) you would have it much easier. I would advise being prepared with a plan B should you go ahead just in case, Switzerland (and yes, even Ticino) is very expensive and all nice things that mean quality of life (skiing, lots of outdoors activities) aren't free. Good luck!
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Re: Software Engineer 7+ years xp

my wife is a teacher, but she's willing to do any job.
The idea is to get a work permit and then find a better job after we know how to move in Switzerland.
75k is low, it's true, but consider that most companies offer even less than that (i think because i'm Italian).

I know in Geneva i would get twice that offer, but so far i had no luck with that.

In Ireland i don't have a great lifestyle, just good enough.
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my wife is a teacher, but she's willing to do any job.
The idea is to get a work permit and then find a better job after we know how to move in Switzerland.
75k is low, it's true, but consider that most companies offer even less than that (i think because i'm Italian).

I know in Geneva i would get twice that offer, but so far i had no luck with that.

In Ireland i don't have a great lifestyle, just good enough.
Hi, please PM me if you need more info and we can talk. If you think this is a door into Switzerland, go ahead. We came here in Lugano în 2013 with all intentions to stay (I am Italian too and we love Ticino). Sadly the job market has been a disappointment and we are now moving to Zurich (we are also a family of 3). On that basis, I agree that once you are in, changing may be easier. Re: being Italian, yes, there is a perception issue here in Ticino (although the issue is mainly with frontalieri), but I do not believe that this would be the reason behind the low salary. It is a problem of Ticino. Just to give some facts, I was on a quite much higher rate than the 75k (I am a project manager) but lost my job as soon as the project went in trouble (of course being external, more money more risks), "despite" being Italian. My advice would just be to come prepared so that you know what you need to do should things go worse than expected e.g. wife doesn't get a job, you need more money etc. Corner is a nice company to work for. Not sure what you are used to. For me, coming from multinationals, it felt just like a family (perhaps a bit too conservative, but nice).
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my wife is a teacher, but she's willing to do any job.
The idea is to get a work permit and then find a better job after we know how to move in Switzerland.
75k is low, it's true, but consider that most companies offer even less than that (i think because i'm Italian).

I know in Geneva i would get twice that offer, but so far i had no luck with that.

In Ireland i don't have a great lifestyle, just good enough.
If your wife speaks English and she teacher college level students, she could try to contact Franklin College Lugano. They sometime need temps. / adjuncts.
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