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Moving abroad while drawing RAV

I seem to recall a topic (that I've failed miserably to find with a search) where the OP was drawing the RAV in France...
Seriously looking at my options to avoid the ongoing RAV harrassment, given they've already forced my family to leave the country, I'm thinking I should just take the hint and leave too.
However, I couldn't afford to lose the benefits right now (and to be honest, I've paid large amounts of social contributions in order to have them which I've not done in say France, so seems a bit rich to expect the French to start paying me...) so anyone got any experience of this?
I've got permanent residency, and I'm rather hoping to open a new business in Zurich at some point in the near future, but given current state of play (RAV asking if I'm travelling too much when they conceed there are no jobs in CH.../ sending me on a German language course when I already speak German etc etc) I'm kinda clutching at straws here and wondering what my options are.
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Seriously looking at my options to avoid the ongoing RAV harrassment, given they've already forced my family to leave the country, I'm thinking I should just take the hint and leave too.
However, I couldn't afford to lose the benefits right now
You've given yourself the answer: you want the benefits - you deal with the so-called harassment. You are not even allowed to leave the country for vacation without telling RAV. What makes you think you'd be allowed to leave the country altogether without telling anyone and not fulfilling your end of the bargain by doing what they ask you to do, all the while still claiming money? Of course this won't work.

Just moving abroad is a different thing, at least possibly, as long as you still do whatever they require you to do (courses, applications, appointments). But moving away to not have to deal with RAV anymore is no option and payments would be stopped.
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Re: Moving abroad while drawing RAV

Samaire,
While that would seem logical, I'm pretty sure I've seen a post on here that the benefits were transferable... hence the question.
But appreciate your input.
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Samaire,
While that would seem logical, I'm pretty sure I've seen a post on here that the benefits were transferable... hence the question.
But appreciate your input.
As said, transferable is one thing, but that doesn't free you from your obligations.

But you specifically asked if you could move somewhere in order to avoid having to deal with RAV, while still claiming money from them. And no, this is not possible.

In case you understand German: http://www.treffpunkt-arbeit.ch/date...D_2012_web.pdf Point 8
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Re: Moving abroad while drawing RAV

You can transfer Swiss benefits to France for three months. Then I'm not sure if you go on to French level benefits or if they just end.

Not to be flip, but google transferring unemployment benefits EU. Switzerland is included.

How much money are you getting? I was on RAV and the amount of money I was getting far outweighed the hassle. But to each their own.
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Re: Moving abroad while drawing RAV

Looks like it is possible to transfer your unemployment benefits, but only for a max of 3 months.

Receiving Unemployment Benefits but now leaving Switzerland

After that you'd go onto the local unemployment rate.
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Re: Moving abroad while drawing RAV

All correct, but he still has the usual obligations!

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Während des Leistungsexports beurteilt sich Ihr Anspruch auf ALE weiterhin nach schweizerischem Recht. Sie müssen Ihrer Arbeitslosenkasse auch während des Leistungsexports am Monatsende das Formular «Angaben der versicherten Person» einreichen. Mit diesem Formular erfüllen Sie Ihre Informationspflicht und machen Ihren Anspruch auf ALE geltend. Das Formular muss fristgerecht, vollständig und wahrheitsgetreu ausgefüllt und unterzeichnet bei Ihrer Arbeitslosenkasse eingehen, damit Sie ALE erhalten. Ansprüche, die nicht innert dreier Monate geltend gemacht werden, verfallen.

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Die Verletzung Ihrer Informationspflicht gegenüber der Arbeitslosenkasse kann eine Sanktion sowie eine Strafanzeige zur Folge haben.

Die Kontrollvorschriften müssen Sie im Staat der Arbeitssuche erfüllen. Die ausländische Arbeitsvermittlung wird Sie über die Einzelheiten der Kontrollvorschriften (z. B. Nachweis von Arbeitsbemühungen) informieren.

Treten während Ihrer Arbeitssuche im Ausland Umstände ein, die sich auf Ihren Anspruch auf ALE auswirken können (z. B. Ablehnung eines Arbeitsangebots, Verletzung der Kontrollvorschriften, Eintritt einer Arbeitsunfähigkeit), informiert die ausländische Arbeitsvermittlung das RAV. Das RAV oder die Arbeitslosenkasse prüft anschliessend die Rechtsfolgen (Leistungskürzung oder -entzug, Sanktion).

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Re: Moving abroad while drawing RAV

Thank you again for your contribution Sammaire,
I have indeed read this, and thank you, I do understand German.

My understanding on reading this, and as I recall, the experience of a poster on here, is that you need to fulfill the requirements of the local benefits office to wherever you move to, and you'll only lose the benefits if they have cause to complain to the RAV about you.
Clearly I won't be expected to return to the RAV on a monthly basis if I've transferred my benefits to another country ??

Of course I wasn't intending to leave without telling anyone, how would the benefits be transferred?
Nor do I wish to leave the Country randomly without informing the RAV, but given they have admitted there are "no jobs for people like you in Switzerland" restricting my travels to interviews would appear to be self-defeating? Would I therefore be better off basing myself in a Country that doesn't put travel restrictions on candidates?

So it would appear, despite your somewhat aggressive initial post, that transferring benefits abroad is indeed possible?

And despite what you write in your second post, it would appear that one wouldn't have to deal with the RAV unless you'd broken the local rules and were reported?

Perhaps there is someone out there who has experience of this and is willing to share their wisdom? I doubt it's a solution for me, given I wish to relaunch a business here in the near future, but it might be a worthwhile debate for others who are considering it (if we can move away from the aggression?)

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He has the obligations of the country he is living in which may be more or less onerous than the Swiss ones and reports to the unemployment office there so no obligations in Switzerland.

An ex colleague of my husband did it for the UK and discovered that they were actually much more demanding there than they were in Switzerland. He had to see his advisor in the UK every week rather than the once a month here. He came back here at the end of the three months, signed on for chomage again and found a new job here after about 6 more months. ( he had maintained his flat here and was staying with friends in the UK)
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He has the obligations of the country he is living in which may be more or less onerous than the Swiss ones and reports to the unemployment office there so no obligations in Switzerland.

An ex colleague of my husband did it for the UK and discovered that they were actually much more demanding there than they were in Switzerland. He had to see his advisor in the UK every week rather than the once a month here. He came back here at the end of the three months, signed on for chomage again and found a new job here after about 6 more months. ( he had maintained his flat here and was staying with friends in the UK)
Same experience with me. I had to meet my person in the UK every 2 weeks instead of every 2 months in Switzerland.

Also had to show evidence of a job search for every day of the week. Although they didn't need a written form and screenshots on a phone were enough
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Re: Moving abroad while drawing RAV

RAV is not money for nothing, it is a benefit that unemployed people are entitled too.
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RAV is not money for nothing, it is a benefit that unemployed people are entitled too.
Nope, it's an insurance policy that you pay into that insures you against losing your job.
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RAV is not money for nothing, it is a benefit that unemployed people are entitled too.
I'm just teasing.

But with that money comes obligations, and really, they are not THAT strenuous. I've been there, done that. On unemployment I was making more per hour than I was working full time even getting 70% of my salary.
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Re: Moving abroad while drawing RAV

I've been there too and psychologically it can be a tough time. I understand that you need to comply with their rules and regulationsbut but many of these rules border on harassment rather than a genuine effort to help someone find a job.
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