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simple non-skilled people job=inexistent?

hello,
My name is Pablo Bähler, i live in argentina right now but i plan moving to switzerland on march.My father is swiss so i have the citizenship and i have some aunts and uncles. I plan to apply to the university of leipzig(in germany) in april and assuming i am accepted i will move to germany in september. But until then i would live in switzerland, work, and learn as much german as i can and save money also.(dont hate me because of that)

I have read another posts, i have spent hours on mostly every site that is written on these forums but i cant seem to find a job that would suite me or my skills(maybe lack of them). All the job adverts are something like, super masted advanced alpha CEO of banks, or expert programmer in <insert prog language> or in pharma. i know that these are the main businesses here but i couldnt find simpler job adverts.

I am fluent in english ,spanish, and unluckily not in german(i should be around A2 level). I'm 21 years old and i have finished 1st year in a bachelor in physics and 1st year of a bachelor in chemistry.

But i really dont care how bad(no offence intended) the job is, i mean if i have to wash dishes that is ok with me, if i have to flip burgers in mcdonalds that is ok too. if i have to be a helping cook or replenish goods in a supermarket great.

I have also spoke to my relatives and they dont help really. they say that its not that easy. i really dont know what to do. if i go there and i cant find a job or something it would be terrible for me because i may have to return to arg and i would have lost a year in the faculty here.
my situation is not good here either, i should work part time here in order to keep studying but that means that i will advance much slower in my career here, i would take 8 more years instead of four.

what are your thoughts?
please help. i am really tense and i dont know what to do. this choice might change the rest of my life...


greetings

Pablo

ps: going to the military is not possible because i dont have the adequate german level i've been told
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Old 20.02.2015, 08:20
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Re: simple non-skilled people job=inexistent?

The type of casual, unskilled work that you're looking for, is normally advertised locally, here on the ground - local papers, even supermarket noticeboards.

You'll probably have to wait until you arrive to look properly, and then intensively search - even door-knock on the businesses that you think may be appropriate.

Something agricultural may be available, depending on exact time of year, where short term labour (often pickers) is required.

You may also have to bit and bob between a few different jobs.

If you're coming, anyway, wait until then, but still keep looking, and get your family to look locally, before you come.
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Old 20.02.2015, 08:55
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Re: simple non-skilled people job=inexistent?

Honestly, unless you have a lot of cash or really helpful relatives, your best bet is to stay in Argentina until you move to Germany for school. There are a couple of reasons I advise this.

First, this is an expensive place to live. There's no guarantee you'll find a low-skilled job without at least some help from your family, as there are plenty of folks from all over Europe that speak German already and are equally qualified to work here. Sure, you can probably get social help from the government since you're Swiss but it would be bare minimum. You don't sound like the type that wants handouts, so I realize this would be a last resort.

Second, if your goal is to learn German and live in Germany...that's really where you belong. The cost of living and the classes are less expensive there, and you'll be immersed in the language from day one. You've talked about Bern and Zürich. Although newspapers are written in High German you will mostly hear Swiss German spoken in daily life. This is handy if you want to be here long-term, but at least for me, makes a mess of when I try to communicate while in Germany.

I'd advise you to wait, move to Germany when you start school, and then visit Switzerland on occasion to determine if you'd like to live here long-term. Whatever you decide, I wish you the best of luck.
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Old 20.02.2015, 11:20
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Re: simple non-skilled people job=inexistent?

Hi Pablo. Are you just looking for a temporary part time job? That kind of work is normally passed along like Vitamin C between people who know each other.
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Re: simple non-skilled people job=inexistent?

Hola Pablo,

If in Argentina you need to work part-time to be able to study, what is it going to change in Germany? Are you going to get a fellowship? Are they going to take into consideration your college education in Argentina?

As far as I know, how is it that you had study two different careers. At least in UBA, you choose either Physics or Chemisty (although same CBC in the old days, does it still exist?), although I am guessing there are some common courses like math. Ah, maybe you are doing them in parallel!!! It is hard.

I know in Argentina things are not easy with inflation and such, but I would really think this through. Specially since I am guessing that in Germany you will need to know German to be able to attend college. Can you study in English? Or do you think that in half a year in Switzerland you will become fluent?

Are you going to live with your relatives? How are you going to support yourself in Switzerland?

Without knowing your specific situation, I would stay and study in Argentina, improve my German, and keep applying for a transfer until I'd get it.
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thanks for the answer. i forgot to mention, yes in germany i will study in english and i have the appropiate level. since teh amonut needed monthly is much much lower in germany my argentinian family can provide me with around 350-400€ and my swiss family told me that they would help also. i will start fresh in germany but the good thing is that because i've already finished first year in physics here i can start over there without any exams whatsoever. its called direct admission. if im accepted i just go to class and that's it

and my swiss family told me that i can stay at their houses for around 3 months.
my swiss family will provide with food and such at the beginning. but then i may have to find somewhere to live. help from the goverment is obviously an option but i should be my last resource, since its the minimum and well it is nicer to earn your money.

my relatives should help and since they all live in small towns i think that they can know someone that can employ me. but they make it sound like its really difficult. i mean they dont sound very positive and encouraging

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Re: simple non-skilled people job=inexistent?

also, another question, how much is the help from the goverment? and i can apply for it just for being swiss? is that the only requirement? i never worked here ir Argentina.

this info is taken from the UZH page:

Study and living expenses for students
Living expenses depend very much on the individual student. These figures should therefore be regarded as a guideline only: (CHF)

Rent incl. heating 690
Additional expenses (telephone, internet, Billag [TV and radio license fees]) 140
Meals 450
Health insurance, insurance 100
Travel 95
Clothing, laundry, personal items 100
Leisure, spending money 150
AHV / IV 40
Tuition fees* 130
Teaching materials** 120
The expected minimum cost of living for students at the University of Zurich therefore comes to a total of CHF 2000 per month.

since i will not be going to classes the last to items might be ignored but i have to add the german courses. and 150chf seems a lot to me for leisure. if a movie ticket is 20CHF that is like 7 cinemas in a month i dont spend that much even here that everything is like 10 times cheaper. i am used to living on a tight budget. can you tell me an approximate salary of the jobs i mentioned? because in the salay pages online they dont appear.
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Re: simple non-skilled people job=inexistent?

You can make with less.
But every single ****ing thing costs here.
You can't have your shoes fixed for next to nothing. You've either got to buy new ones or know a place where someone does it for a reasonable price.

Also, almost all the students around you will have a bit (not much!) of money to spend and go for a beer somewhere, sometimes.
If you never go out with anybody, you will never learn the language.


Jobs with bad pay (and bad hours) are available, like for consignment - but even those sometimes require being able to operate a forklift...
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Re: simple non-skilled people job=inexistent?

ok so just in case,

i entered the RAV page just to take a look and honestly i didnt understand very much because it was in german and google translate isnt that accurate all the time.

from what i understood and from what i read in the forum i can conclude that rav does the following:

1. helps you find a job
2. gives you some kind of "welfare" for the time you are unemployed.

I will be staying in Murten for the first two months, my place of origin is Thun BE. I dont know where i should go. How is the procedure? should i set an interview or how is it? how fast is it? etc etc. i couldnt find and email to contact with them directly. i found some kind of contact form but its in german and maybe it is considered rude to speak english if the form is in german.

i would appreciate your answers in this thread since opening another one may be unnecesary and you already have mi introduction up there ^^ and you know my situation.

ps:how much do they give you approx? is it enough to rent a cheap place and live? or you should have some money and together with the social help its enough.

thanks for all the answers btw!
keep them coming.
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Old 23.02.2015, 23:09
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ok so just in case,

i entered the RAV page just to take a look and honestly i didnt understand very much because it was in german and google translate isnt that accurate all the time.

from what i understood and from what i read in the forum i can conclude that rav does the following:

1. helps you find a job
2. gives you some kind of "welfare" for the time you are unemployed.

I will be staying in Murten for the first two months, my place of origin is Thun BE. I dont know where i should go. How is the procedure? should i set an interview or how is it? how fast is it? etc etc. i couldnt find and email to contact with them directly. i found some kind of contact form but its in german and maybe it is considered rude to speak english if the form is in german.

i would appreciate your answers in this thread since opening another one may be unnecesary and you already have mi introduction up there ^^ and you know my situation.

ps:how much do they give you approx? is it enough to rent a cheap place and live? or you should have some money and together with the social help its enough.

thanks for all the answers btw!
keep them coming.
I think you might find that you'll need to have paid into the system for a least a year before you can benefit from it.
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Old 23.02.2015, 23:09
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Re: simple non-skilled people job=inexistent?

RAV is not an option for you I think. As far as I understand RAV is an "insurance" you pay while employed in Switzerland. If you work 100% 12 months in the last 24 then you have paid in enough and can "exercise" the insurance (what's the word? ) and get something close-ish to your average salary while working. They could probably try and help you get a job but to get actual financial help I think is not going to work...

You're probably looking at Sozialamt but I have zero idea how that works.


Now from what I get, it's probably easy to get a job at an unskilled level. Your main handicap would be the absence of a "lehre" but for many jobs I guess you could do without it. Then local adds are the way to go. I walked in a local sports-goods shop the other day (Dosenbach in Zuri 11) and had a sign in the cashier's asking for shop assistants etc.

Also try and hook up with the local spanish-speaking community. I know some Albanians that networked with their own and found immediately connections. Especially in unskilled jobs it's relatively easy to suggest to your boss someone you know for a cashier's job for example.



Between your family, possible community connections, and your own research/effort, something will come up...

Also if your family is ready to host you for free (-ish) and you can scrape together some money for insurance and other basic expenses, I think you could make it work.
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Re: simple non-skilled people job=inexistent?

ok so now i have to do some research in socialhilfe or socialamt, thanks for the replies.

i've located some argentinian restaurants in bern and i plan speaking with the owner(i assume argentinian?) i think that is an option. what do you think?
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I think you might find that you'll need to have paid into the system for a least a year before you can benefit from it.
Yes and no.

Yes to get money, but he can still get help looking for a job, etc.

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Re: simple non-skilled people job=inexistent?

I highly recommend contacting your place of origin first, and asking them for repatriation assistance. After all, you're a citizen of the municipality first and then of the canton and country. Then also get in touch with Murten since that's where you want to live, and see what assistance they can provide. It doesn't hurt to explore more than one avenue.

I'm not sure about the language skills at those offices, but this is where your family can really help out. Ask them nicely to make some calls for you or stop by the offices, and get as much info as they can.
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Re: simple non-skilled people job=inexistent?

ok thanks. my relatives will do that for sure. yes, its always better to get info (and maybe help) from the most places i can. i am more confident now. thanks!
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