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You know there was a time when Danes didn't sit there agonising about where to move and asking questions on the internet. No - they'd pile into their boats, sail across the wine-dark whale road, burn down a monastery or two, take some local maidens as their wives, extort money from the king, build a house of turf and raise pigs.

What has become of such a noble band of heathens?
They settled in what became the UK Clearly before it became "as socialist as Denmark" otherwise they wouldn't have bothered...
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Well I am moving partly for ideological reasons also... (snip)... and I like freedom
Get thee to Argovia!

http://www.avenir-suisse.ch/41998/de...bt-der-spitze/

(Aargau was again found to be the 'free-est' Swiss canton, in the 2012 Avenir Suisse 'Freiheitsindex' study.)

Seriously, though, please take previous posters' comments about the difference between the myth and reality of life in Switzerland to heart. Many a poster driven by ideology has come a-cropper here, unable to live with the restrictions, both legal and cultural, that are part of Swiss life.
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Old 26.02.2015, 13:34
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Well, manufacturers are not economists, they just make gadgets, they have not read economic textbooks like I have so you should take their advice on economic theory with a grain of salt, the currency peg removal is a GREAT thing, yes it might cause temporary adjustment problems for manufacturing but so what? It is a system that balances itself out automatically, if manufacturing goes down then demand for swiss currency abroad goes down and that lowers wages which again causes manufacturing to go up again. It is a constant equilibrium process that is occuring, kind of similar to the bodies immune system which also auto-repairs stuff, this manufacturer is not a "doctor" like I am, his opinion is simply wrong.
I am going to try to be as delicate as I can here, because everything you have written is hilariously arrogant, in the way that only someone who doesn't know the limits of their own knowledge can achieve.

I would normally start by trying to explain how much anyone who manufactures in Switzerland has, themselves, tried to become an autodidact, how much we know every sinew of our companies how the currency markets affect it. But you see, we haven't read BOOKS like you have. So how can we know anything about the economy? Or, maybe we have, and simply come to a different conclusion. But we couldn't be as smart as you, could we? Wait - now I'm getting sarcastic. Let me try to rope it back in.

I am now shifting my advice to you. You need to grow up. Even assuming for a moment you are as smart as you say you are (which I don't doubt, actually), the fact that you do not have the judgement to NOT make the argument of "I studied more than you" tells me you are terribly, terribly unready for the real world. Even if I wish to grant that you have staggering amounts of raw intellectual horsepower, you don't have the experience or wisdom to apply it properly, and your response simply drips with this. Your initial post was questionable, as you seem to think of some idealized version of Switzerland that you want to uproot yourself and move to, and you don't actually know what you are getting into. What you have read, while not untrue, is also well short of complete. Which brings me back to your comment above. While not wrong, it is terribly incomplete.

A lot of people here are trying to be a friend to you, and give you advice in a palatable way that you might accept. I'm also trying to be a friend, I'm just out of patience.

There are 3.5 billion above-average people in the world. Hell, there are 7 million people with IQs over 145. Being very smart doesn't actually make you that special.

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I am going to try to be as delicate as I can here, because everything you have written is hilariously arrogant, in the way that only someone who doesn't know the limits of their own knowledge can achieve
After his experience in Switzerland, he'll be a lot smarter about limits, I can predict that!

Am I getting soft or is the OP just a young guy with adjustment problems to conformity and authority in need of a education journey? That makes him sooooo normal, I am tempted to give him a break.
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Old 26.02.2015, 14:08
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Re: Danish guy that wants to move to Switzerland

I really don't know where people get their ideas about Switzerland from! It baffles me. I had way more freedom in the UK than I do here!

And the OP's comments about his intelligence, well….. wow
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Re: Danish guy that wants to move to Switzerland

…by the way, where did he go?
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Old 26.02.2015, 17:20
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Ah- whatever happened to the tale of a young men (and now women) going out to prove themselves in the big wide world?

Unfortunately, since Roman times...
A little later than that actually. Like 200 years ago.

It was called America and every immigrant that came could make what they could for themselves.

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Old 26.02.2015, 19:40
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Re: Danish guy that wants to move to Switzerland

I like the cut of your troll, young fellow-me-lad. The concept of a Danish libertardian blacksmith who dreams of Switzerland as some kind of freedom-loving wild west where we buy everything in bitcoins and masturbate over pictures of Ayn Rand is a nice riff on the usual swivel-eyed septic who thinks it's a gun-toting paradise here.

Don't forget, though, comedy always comes in threes. The way this usually works is:

1) Switzerland is great! I've gotta come and live there!
2) I'm coming! It's all sorted out!
3) It's fallen through. (This is usually because of a confusion between Switzerland and Sweden (you've got to do better than that, though, cos you know where Sweden is...)).

Good luck!
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I want to move because Denmark seems to be pretty hopeless these days in terms of economic activity and general wage levels, I also very much prefer the swiss federal political system and low taxes so yeah I hope one of you people here on this forum can help me fulfill my dream of moving to Switzerland!
Don't be lulled here on the false pretenses of low taxes. The cost of living here is very high and you will get hit with fee after fee after fee or fine after fine after fine and then some more to make up for those so called low taxes. Without the local language you really don't stand a chance here.
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...Don't forget, though, comedy always comes in threes. The way this usually works is:

1) Switzerland is great! I've gotta come and live there!
2) I'm coming! It's all sorted out!
3) It's fallen through...
Alternate 3) I'm here and it sucks! Why didn't you lot warn me about...[insert big list of complaints]
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Re: Danish guy that wants to move to Switzerland

I just want to provide a counterpoint to those rubbishing the ideological aspect.

I find it a pretty liberal, democratic, decentralised (neutral, fiscally-sound, privacy-respecting, ...) place, especially compared to the UK where I'm from, which I find relatively authoritarian, undemocratic, centralised (war-mongering, fiscally-ridiculous, mass-surveilling, ...). These were some major pull (ch) / push (uk) factors for my move, and I haven't been disappointed. It would take a long essay to go in to the ways these things manifest in really important ways, whether for me directly, or for people in general, or for those on the margins or at random.

Just don't expect to be able to break the rules! The rules are there to be obeyed.

It is a real treat to be able to relate to how things work, and find the rules mostly reasonable. It's relaxing to observe the insanity back in the UK, and just think "I don't need to worry about that".

So it's just an anecdote, but if you are that way inclined, you may indeed appreciate those aspects.
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Old 26.02.2015, 21:29
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I just want to provide a counterpoint to those rubbishing the ideological aspect.

I find it a pretty liberal, democratic, decentralised (neutral, fiscally-sound, privacy-respecting, ...) place, especially compared to the UK where I'm from, which I find relatively authoritarian, undemocratic, centralised (war-mongering, fiscally-ridiculous, mass-surveilling, ...). These were some major pull (ch) / push (uk) factors for my move, and I haven't been disappointed. It would take a long essay to go in to the ways these things manifest in really important ways, whether for me directly, or for people in general, or for those on the margins or at random.

Just don't expect to be able to break the rules! The rules are there to be obeyed.

It is a real treat to be able to relate to how things work, and find the rules mostly reasonable. It's relaxing to observe the insanity back in the UK, and just think "I don't need to worry about that".

So it's just an anecdote, but if you are that way inclined, you may indeed appreciate those aspects.
I totally agree with you! Except I break and see other breaking plenty of "rules" so I wouldn't worry about too much. I'm surprised you find people all that rule abiding in Vaud....

But our OP is a bit wide eyed. It's very expensive here just like it is in Denmark. With his job as a black smith (if he finds one) he won't be living all that much better than he is now.
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Re: Danish guy that wants to move to Switzerland

Am I the only one who's shocked that OP claims to be 29? I would have expected a little more maturity from someone that age...
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Ahem - you're not a "doctor" either if it comes to that.

Doctors have to (1) have a recognized medical degree. You're an autodidact. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Well, actually there is, I wouldn't let an autodidact remove my appendix, but maybe in the context of a descriptive field like economics...

(2) complete a period of residency where they actually work on some patients. Again "I've read lots of theory books" does not qualify you.
It does actually in the field of economics since there is no practical hands on experience with the science, it is based on logical models inside your own head, that is how you learn it when you read theory text-books, they describe logical models that you insert into your mind in order to simulate the workings of certain factors and mechanisms in the economy.


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Can I offer a word of friendly, well-meant advice? Tone down the self-promotion. I mean way down. Show, not tell. The brillianter you say you are, the less people are prepared to believe it.

Look, I don't doubt that it's true - half the people in the world are smarter than average, after all, and I have no reason to doubt you when you say you're one of them - just offering advice to help you tailor your approach to your audience. Please take it as it's meant.
Dont worry, I am not nearly as arrogant in real life, I am actually a very nice and humble guy in real life, its just on the internet that I become a little arrogant on certain topics, I think you would be surprised by how nice I am if you ever met me in real life.
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Am I the only one who's shocked that OP claims to be 29? I would have expected a little more maturity from someone that age...
Confident = immature? I dont see what is immature about me, I take care of my job very well, learn my craft better than my coworkers usually and I pay my bills on time and save up money even, I think I am probably more mature than your average guy actually. That I am a little arrogant when it comes to politics and my own abilities doesnt make me immature I think.
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Re: Danish guy that wants to move to Switzerland

Dude, there's an extremely fine line between confidence and arrogance and you are leaning towards the latter, to put it nicely. Needless to say that's based on what you write here and as others have said, not an attitude that does and will sit well with most people, even less so with the Swiss.

And you're immature because you have not the faintest clue about "the real world" and certainly no clue about Switzerland. You know nothing about this place and are plain naive to think that reading a few books has you prepared for anything, especially in comparison to people who've lived here all their lives or at least spent a substantial period of time here and who definitely know much better than you do.

Good to hear though that you're different in real life. I really hope you are, for your own sake. I mean it.

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Confident = immature? I dont see what is immature about me, I take care of my job very well, learn my craft better than my coworkers usually and I pay my bills on time and save up money even, I think I am probably more mature than your average guy actually. That I am a little arrogant when it comes to politics and my own abilities doesnt make me immature I think.
I don't mean to be rude, but one can't help but wonder why you find yourself currently unemployed and 29, looking to relocate with all your talents? On the the other hand coming form North America myself I'm much more used to self promotion being linked to various forms of ego as a way to get your foot in the door. So if this is really what you want, I say go for it!!! Just know you'll need to go in go in with both eyes an ears wide open. Switzerland is not the utopian land of milk and honey it's purported to be. Theoretically your text book studies might make you believe you have the edge on everyone else. Unless you'll become an international banker you'd be surprised to see how average Swiss slip under the radar and live on the edge of poverty levels. Mostly they can't afford the most basic costs of living expenses. Many fall behind on expensive and health insurance premiums usually go first. I'm ever amazed at the growing number of many well dressed people scrounging through the recycling bins at the local werkhof station. I've witnessed this often with some interest since arriving in Switzerland 5 years ago now.

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Dude, there's an extremely fine line between confidence and arrogance and you are leaning towards the latter, to put it nicely.
I thought it was one of the requirements for posting here
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I'm ever amazed at the growing number of many well dressed people scrounging through the recycling bins at the local werkhof station. I've witnessed this often with some interest since arriving in Switzerland 5 years ago now.
Really? What are they hoping to do with empty bottles and boxes?
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Really? What are they hoping to do with empty bottles and boxes?
That's what I was wondering....

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I'm ever amazed at the growing number of many well dressed people scrounging through the recycling bins at the local werkhof station. I've witnessed this often with some interest since arriving in Switzerland 5 years ago now.
If you mean the recycling center where people leave items they don't want anymore... Well, then, I do that. Not because I'm going hungry or because I can't pay my bills. It's because in Switzerland people throw away perfectly good stuff to buy new perfectly good stuff. I've gotten (and left) quite a few useful things from the recycling center.

And, since it is well known in "the trade" that the Swiss throw away perfectly useable items, "brocante" merchants are always trawling the streets on the days when people put out their old furniture to pick up stuff that they will sell at the flea markets.
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