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Old 22.02.2015, 23:20
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I knew this bit of advice wouldn't be long in coming! And normally I would agree. In my case, the job is so draining, physically and emotionally, that it's finally time to leave, just for my sanity and health. Having to constantly defend my work strategy is taking its toll, especially when accompanied by insults and threats. This has already been a long time coming. In addition, it's common for me to work 12 hour days and it's completely disruptive to having a normal life. I do take comp time, though.

The job hunt is in full swing already. So far I'm looking to stay in Switzerland - I'm a C-permit - but will leave eventually if I don't find anything here.

Also, I suspect I'll need retraining. I need to be free to do this.
About " it's common for me to work 12 hour days " Stop doing that and instead spend your time looking for a new job.
What is the worst they can do? Fire you? Then you will be eligible for RAV benefits earlier.

Anyway if you are so indispensable in your department as you claim then they cannot fire you?
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Old 25.02.2015, 17:33
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Re: Voluntarily quitting my job

Thanks to all for the kind and helpful comments
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Old 25.02.2015, 18:55
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Already one question. If you have been there more than one year, the notice period (from both sides) would be 3 months and not 2 as you mention. Do you have something else in your contract?

A comment on the non-compete. Even though you will (hopefully) get some comments/suggestions on the non-compete clause from EF, you really need to see a very sharp labour lawyer to review your contract and to understand what this means for your ability to find another job. There are a lot of Federal Court decisions on what can and can not be done when an employee leaves or is let go.

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The standard legal minimum notice period is 2 months for employment fron over 1 year to 9 years. After 10 years it's 3 months.
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The standard legal minimum notice period is 2 months for employment fron over 1 year to 9 years. After 10 years it's 3 months.
I am not really sure about that. I am working in Zurich in an international company and we have notice period of 1 month in the first year, 2 months in the second year and 3 months starting from the 3rd year. May be some companies have different rules and regulations?
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Old 26.02.2015, 11:41
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Generally these situations never improve from my experience. The idiot hangs on until the bitter end. Which means you reside yourself to sitting it out for years and waiting for them to be removed, or face the obvious.

Walk away find something new and be happy.

I have a similar mess politicking over output. Really you have to think do you want to work for a company that continues to back an individual causing damage to the company? Problem is in many cases corporations allow this to happen senior managers are ultimately responsible for not firing these cretins. It seems socio-paths are rewarded in the majority of corporations.

As soon as you find something new you'll feel immediate relief.

Don't forget HR is effectively working for management, don't expect them to be unbiased.

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Old 26.02.2015, 12:22
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I am not really sure about that. I am working in Zurich in an international company and we have notice period of 1 month in the first year, 2 months in the second year and 3 months starting from the 3rd year. May be some companies have different rules and regulations?

Sure there can be different rules, but there is a legal minimum which FatMan was talking about.
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Old 26.02.2015, 14:24
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Thanks to all for the kind and helpful comments
So did you quit?
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Old 27.02.2015, 09:12
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Re: Voluntarily quitting my job

Sunthings, all the best to you in your difficult situation! I hope you will make the best decision.

A friend of mine is looking for a good labour lawyer in Basel area -- can anybody recommend one?
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Old 27.02.2015, 09:25
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I knew this bit of advice wouldn't be long in coming! And normally I would agree. In my case, the job is so draining, physically and emotionally, that it's finally time to leave, just for my sanity and health. Having to constantly defend my work strategy is taking its toll, especially when accompanied by insults and threats. This has already been a long time coming. In addition, it's common for me to work 12 hour days and it's completely disruptive to having a normal life. I do take comp time, though.

The job hunt is in full swing already. So far I'm looking to stay in Switzerland - I'm a C-permit - but will leave eventually if I don't find anything here.

Also, I suspect I'll need retraining. I need to be free to do this.
To me your approach and mentality here seems wrong. You are slogging your guts out for this company while getting no recognition and taking verbal abuse? No wonder you are super stressed.

Kick back, relax, do 8.2 hour workdays, and stop giving too much of a damn. Tell your boss to politely go **** himself, and go to HR again to really point out this lack of review etc and make sure it is all recorded. Couldn't you even record some of the abuse you get? Have any colleagues also noticed this and would maybe be willing to speak up on your behalf? Does your bosses boss not see all of this also?

I really, REALLY would not quit the job... I would use it for the income while looking for additional work. Take sick days to do interviews and research. The last thing you should ever do is give up the job so you are struggling to make ends meet, it s a total no-no unless you are at the border of a mental breakdown, which you actually do not seem to be. Change your working attitude at this company to compensate for your treatment, do the minimum required and use them as a platform to find something else. If they fire you they fire you, but at least that will give you time to look for other things and regular income in your account.

Quitting will do nothing but put yourself at hardship, it is strategically unwise.

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Follow your heart, you can't go wrong.
Sigh, what meaningless (though I'm sure well-intentioned) claptrap. Of course it can go wrong, it often does.

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Old 27.02.2015, 09:56
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Re: Voluntarily quitting my job

The OP appears to be the victim of mobbing from their immediate line manager.

This website appears to give some useful advice.

http://www.mobbing-zentrale.ch/de/wi...i-do-about-it/

Also check this EF post by NotAllThere and the surrounding thread.

Mobbing in Switzerland

and this

Help me mobbing my colleague!!!!

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Good on you for not 'falling' for that route. It may sound 'easy' in the short term, but who wants to have their personal records tarnished forever (which is the reality out there, whatever some of you may think). Bravo and bonne chance.
Just picked up this thread, so I don't know where you stand today.
Health is No.1, who cares about reputation?
Quitting unless you have a job lined up is generally financially less good than either getting fired or leaving by "mutual agreement". You might need a lawyer or advisor to draw up a suitable contract which can include payment for retraining and a re-defining of the non-competition clause.
Good luck -you are not alone in this kind of predicament
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Re: Voluntarily quitting my job

As some people have mentioned, non-compete clauses generally will force you away from specific aspects of a business, but not necessarily the entirety of a sector. So for example, the department in your company that you could transfer to, you might be able to work for the department at a competitor. I have no experience with what Swiss law is like in this regard, however, only international situations. Generally you want to find a judge who will sympathize with the fact that you need to earn a living.
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The non compete is quite specific and it covers the main activity of my career. World-wide. Precisely for this reason I believe I could fight it if need be. Just that I don't think I'll get the opportunity.
In Switzerland such clauses may well be invalid, you need to be able to make good use of your experience, and obvioulsy recent years are the most important.

On a realted note, you may know "Konventionalstrafe" (KS): Say, for some reason you agree to stay with the company for, say, two years and pay some KS for every month you leave early. A few years back I saw a verdict say that any KS above 500.- a month, and for more than two years total (i.e. 12000CHF grand total) is abusive and automatically void. The case was about a lower management bank employee, so it wasn't as if that was 10% of his salary. Essentially, the verdict said KS must not hinder peoples job mobility.

By the same logic, the conditions in your contract may well be basically void. Don't poach your employers customers, and that's about all he can demand.
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Old 01.03.2015, 13:42
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So did you quit?
No. Not yet.

I met with boss' boss who promised all kinds of changes: Move my desk to a new location so I don't sit across from boss anymore, changing my goals for the year to something more reasonable, hiring help so I can stop with the 12 hour day (I run a long lab process that can't be cut short), making sure that the pressure from boss is off, getting me fair recognition for my work, stopping agressive behaviour from boss, allowing me to take as much leave as needed (unpaid!) for personal reasons. Not on offer is changing to a different department - I'm needed where I am.

I agreed to giving it another month in which there would need to be significant signs of progress.

The job hunt is still on!
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Old 01.03.2015, 14:07
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Re: Voluntarily quitting my job

Good for you! And if nothing changes in a month then it probably never will...
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No. Not yet.

I met with boss' boss who promised all kinds of changes: Move my desk to a new location so I don't sit across from boss anymore, changing my goals for the year to something more reasonable, hiring help so I can stop with the 12 hour day (I run a long lab process that can't be cut short), making sure that the pressure from boss is off, getting me fair recognition for my work, stopping agressive behaviour from boss, allowing me to take as much leave as needed (unpaid!) for personal reasons. Not on offer is changing to a different department - I'm needed where I am.

I agreed to giving it another month in which there would need to be significant signs of progress.

The job hunt is still on!

Sounds like a more rational process underway. I can totally understand how undesirable work can get, how things at work can cause stress and burnout. Anybody would be useless if they are burned out. But serious though, you may not always get what you want, especially when others are involved. I such case, you can try to see how long you can bear it, you can change your situation by quitting, or you can change your attitude and how you perceive and react to the situation. This last one, while it sounds like defeat, is actually the most powerful position you can take. It will allow you to take more conscious control of your situation instead of the situation controlling you. You can even overcome your boss with it. Good luck!
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No. Not yet.

I met with boss' boss who promised all kinds of changes: Move my desk to a new location so I don't sit across from boss anymore, changing my goals for the year to something more reasonable, hiring help so I can stop with the 12 hour day (I run a long lab process that can't be cut short), making sure that the pressure from boss is off, getting me fair recognition for my work, stopping agressive behaviour from boss, allowing me to take as much leave as needed (unpaid!) for personal reasons. Not on offer is changing to a different department - I'm needed where I am.

I agreed to giving it another month in which there would need to be significant signs of progress.

The job hunt is still on!
Well done, you're handling it great and it was the right way to go with escalating this further. Good luck with everything.
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I agreed to giving it another month in which there would need to be significant signs of progress.
I suggest you join the Kaufmanischer Verband Schweiz.

http://www.kfmv.ch/de/1986/Mitglied-werden.htm

I was in a similar work situation (mobbing) and when I resigned, they recommended a lawyer to me to deal with RAV. The organisation itself also has lawyers who can advise.

To use their services, you must have been a member for one month.
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A friend of mine is looking for a good labour lawyer in Basel area -- can anybody recommend one?
Your friend should join the Kaufmannischer Verband Schweiz. (http://www.kfmv.ch/de/1648/Mitgliede...Mitglieder.htm). You have to be a member for one month before you can use their services but you can try directly:

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Re: Voluntarily quitting my job

Maybe interesting: when you quit, since your boss'boss appreciates you, ask him if he can recommend you directly to any other company he knows where you might be welcome.
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