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I'm not sure how many jobs in navel architecture you are going to find in Switzerland (?).
Is that some form of highly specific body shaping? Plastic surgery?
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Reality bites sometimes, but maybe better you hear it here in a straight-forward manner, than not at all from the 50-100 job applications you will likely be denied for given your approach to this sticky situation you seem to be dealing with.

Some thoughts; please take this as constructive criticism/suggestions but with a good dollop of reality built in -- hopefully well taken -- for your benefit.

1. If you approach your job search, networking or more generally, life with even an ounce of the same bitter, close-minded, and generally impolite manner in which you have approached "asking for advice here" then you literally have near-zero chance of success. People have replied at length about the in's and out's of how to "maximize" your possibilities: did you read the actual words posted before replying? Please look closely again and actually-read-the-words, one-by-one.

2. Naval engineering - I didn't know that existed as a specialty. I doubt many people outside of the shipbuilding/highly technical industries do either. If I were a banker, I would most certainly not go down to my nearest shipyard and start asking for design jobs in what I imagine to be a technical and quite-specific field. You might want to re-evaluate your choices and restrictions on where you are looking (it doesn't sound like you have the luxury of choice at this point).

3. It sounds as though you have a solid education but you seem to have absolutely no interpersonal skills or the slightest idea at how to conduct an even-marginally-probable-of-success job search. Before submitting anymore dustbin-destined applications, apply your years of studies to educating yourself on the industries you are aiming for; on fundamental-basic communication skills and generally how not to drive people away who are genuinely trying to help you.

4. Stay calm and be kind (or at least remain professional if that is the best you can muster). Your approach: repetitive, annoying and demanding has likely already made its mark on anyone with any reasonable suggestions on this forum. I would not hire you, and I would not recommend you to anyone I know. That is fine and harmless, as long as you don't keep repeatedly demanding similar answers to questions that have already been answered. Fortunately for you,vLinkedIn, Monster, and [insert any 1 of the 100s of platforms for job hunting] won't connect your erratic and mostly illegible posts from EF to any future applications, so take a breath and use the feedback here as a no-cost consult-"learning experience". I would even suggest doing the polar opposite of what you did here for any future correspondences - that will likely be the "correct way" to do much of anything.

Best of luck (in all sincerity) and please read a book or, err, 10, find some articles on how to network/communicate in positive way online and in person, or seek out as much input --- and here is the kicker --- learn and apply the feedback. This is a painful thread to read due mainly to what seems to be just hardheadedness. In the future, when in doubt, do the opposite of what your emotionally-driven gut is telling you to do; you may find that to bear more fruit.

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Also, out of curiosity I googled "naval architecture". Below are some starter guides on job openings, as well as where to look/what to do.

That took me 0.40 seconds according to google so already we have saved you an hour long new post on "but wait! where can I get a damm job in CH!?!" See, the efficiency/learning is already gaining momentum exponentially.

http://www.rina.org.uk/careers_in_na...hitecture.html
http://www.webb.edu/what-is-a-naval-architect.html
http://www.bls.gov/ooh/architecture-...architects.htm
https://www.recruiter.com/careers/ma...tects/outlook/
http://www.myfuture.com/careers/grow...cts_17-2121.00

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Old 26.02.2015, 08:59
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Im tired of applying everyday without any result !

my question is clear , what is the easiest job to get in switzerland !


thanks
Easiest job to get, in part of the country where you don't speak the language? Well, something where you don't have to speak to people much. Hotel room cleaner, general cleaner, street cleaner, rubbish collector…. but will those jobs make you feel any better than you do now? Or try and find places that use French or English, International companies, French or Arabic restaurants. But bear in mind that many people here already speak English & French & German too. Maybe you could use your time to learn German?

People don't have a huge amount of sympathy as every day here, we get posts saying, "I want to live in Switzerland, I don't speak the language, find me a job". People seem to think Switzerland is some magical land for some bizarre reason… truth is, if you don't have the language you will struggle.
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Re: looking for job for non-EU married in switzeerland

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hello everybody

Im have a mechanical engineering master from Algeria , i have been shosen by the european commission to continu my studies and joined a special programe (25 engineer from all over the world ) and got an other master double degree in naval architecture in europe, i live in switzerland with my swiss wife , it has been one year since im looking for a job in zurich , i speak arabic , english , french and could reach an A2 deutsch level , but still waiting for my chance , i applied everywhere in all filds but no good feedback , im totaly traumatized and feeling that im loosing my carrier because of this critical situation.

i dont know what to do ! any advice from you guys ?
thanks in advance.
Hi when you say you have applied everywhere what do you mean. Because things have changed a lot, just applying everywhere does not work anymore, as you have found out.
  • You need to research the market, what is currently manfactured in your field in Europe at the moment?
  • What could you do to make yourself of interest to people who have these jobs?
  • Where could you get in contact with these companies?
I know nothing about your area, but as Dilbert said "I had 5 minutes and a browser"
  • Currently manfactured in Europe (mainly Italy) super yacths.
  • Put together a portfolio with some new ideas for Yachts or read some reviews with issues about yacths, come up with some solutions.
  • Find some shows exibitions where the manfactures will be present, sell them on you. Have a business card, website, Linkedin etc.
Welcome to the new reality.
HTH
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Re: looking for job for non-EU married in switzeerland

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yeah man , but we can't move now , we have signed a contract with the appartement awner till 2016
I have to find a job in Zurich !
As suggested, you can move out of your flat if you find someone to replace you, which shouldn't be too hard in Zurich.

I second that you look for jobs in the French-speaking region, in this case..you could do one of the following:

If willing, stay in Zurich but commute to your work, yes long distance, but I know people who do similar distances as a compromise, then if you like your job you could move later.

You could also discuss with your wife moving to a "mid-way" place such as Fribourg, where the commuting distance is less for each of you.

You know your circumstances better, just my two cents.

Good luck
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I was out of work for 3 years, despite having qualifications in computer engineering, English, French, & German, and good employment certificates from Swiss companies covering continuous employment for 18 years. So maybe you are being unreasonable and impatient?

You haven't received much sympathy because we cannot help you. There are no jobs here in naval architecture. You have to move to places where there is work for you: France, South Korea, maybe Scotland.

If you want to live in poor housing, get up at 4 am and pick vegetables from fields, for very little money, there is a job for you, you should apply in Rumania.

Actually the OP doesn't state that he is only looking for jobs in Marine Engineering/Navel Architecture. I know several Engineers who have moved into different engineering fields without any problems. I would believe a European MSc is good enough to apply for most Jobs in Switzerland.


The problem is that there are probably not many job vacancies in Industry as Swiss companies are not economically viable in the EU, African or Asian markets currently.


However one year of applying is not really that long either when looking for specific roles, widening his search to the French part of Switzerland, France, Germany or other EU countries and being prepared to travel are probably a necessity. With a good job somewhere else, maybe he could afford to rent a one bed and spend working weeks away from Zürich. It is never going to be easy even when you have real industry experience.
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Old 26.02.2015, 11:17
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We are living a normal life as a familly ,she spend money but i couldn't support this unemployement situation , i wanna work and improve my skills , i never ask my wife for a financial support ,i thaught it's easy to get a job in switzerland, but i found a crazy reality , im shocked ...
im qualified enough to work and make our future , i was actif in my country , working , earning , enjoying ... but here i feel descriminated and sad
i dont know any Swiss who can recommande me a job ...!
my question is where can i get a job , any job , my first priority is to earn money then we will see.
This is the saddest post I have read in a long time.

You have amazing qualifications which you spent years earning. You are a specialist engineer and now you want to throw all that away to get a job, what, as a brick layer? (Not that there is anything wrong with brick layers)

It's time you have a serious conversation with your wife. You need to move out of Switzerland to find a job that is suited to your education and specialization.
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Old 26.02.2015, 11:39
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Re: looking for job for non-EU married in switzeerland

Do you know how to code? If yes, there are umpteen projects online that can keep you busy, and maybe if u r lucky, will earn you some dough. For e.g. look for Bitcoin related projects.
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my question is clear , what is the easiest job to get in switzerland !
I hope you realize you come across as borderline aggressive. MCanada has been nice enough to explain in a lot of detail and with a lot of patience (substantially more than I could have mustered at this point) as to why you're hardly doing yourself a favor with this approach.

There's no job you can get "easily". Switzerland has a high-skilled, highly competitive job environment - it's not the land of milk and honey and jobs don't grow on trees here either. No one will just "give" you a job, it doesn't work like that.

The question you need to ask yourself is: are you happy with any job you can find or do you want something in your field of expertise.

If the latter, then again, as people have said, the combination "naval industry" + "not sufficient German" + "no considerable work experience" is not a good starting point. If you want to do something in the naval industry, then Switzerland and especially Zurich is not the place for you. You seriously need to get this into your system. If I want to be a surf instructor I don't move to a village in the Alps - you want to be a naval engineer, move somewhere where there's a real naval industry and where you speak the local language!

Google for "Schiffbau" and "Schiffahrt" and "Schweiz" and see what comes up. It's not a lot to begin with and all of it in German: http://www.careerjet.ch/stellenangeb...schiffbau.html

If you are fine with anything, then spend some time on brushing up your German to at least a B1 level, rather B2 and apply for low-skilled jobs of some kind or other, in manufacturing or constructing or whatnot.
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I was out of work for 3 years, despite having qualifications in computer engineering, English, French, & German, and good employment certificates from Swiss companies covering continuous employment for 18 years. So maybe you are being unreasonable and impatient?

You haven't received much sympathy because we cannot help you. There are no jobs here in naval architecture. You have to move to places where there is work for you: France, South Korea, maybe Scotland.

If you want to live in poor housing, get up at 4 am and pick vegetables from fields, for very little money, there is a job for you, you should apply in Rumania.


Okey , i see the way you are talking , its like i am asking you to give me a job ...
hi you , i had a perfect job in my Country , and i came to switzerland just because my wife is from here , otherwhise i would never risk to loose my job come to hear stupid comments from a raciste boy like you , so keep ur stupid words for yourself and dont reply to my post otherwhise i change the language with you, if you dont like my post then dont reply on it , and yes i am offensif and attacking you , analyse it as you want.

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This is the saddest post I have read in a long time.

You have amazing qualifications which you spent years earning. You are a specialist engineer and now you want to throw all that away to get a job, what, as a brick layer? (Not that there is anything wrong with brick layers)

It's time you have a serious conversation with your wife. You need to move out of Switzerland to find a job that is suited to your education and specialization.

Dear MiniMia ,

We were 28 international engineer studying and working together in several projects in Europe , most of them are working especially the europeans , me as an Algerian i couldn't get something (it's clear why) , i went to the RAV but they said we cant help you , now all the doors are closed ...

you are right , its time to change the country...

Thanks a lot sister.

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from a raciste boy like you
How was that remotely racist??

The reason you are struggling to find work is because there are no jobs in your area of expertise in the region you live in and also you don't speak the language. So you either need to move… or commute.

That's not racist, it's nothing to do with your race.
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As suggested, you can move out of your flat if you find someone to replace you, which shouldn't be too hard in Zurich.

I second that you look for jobs in the French-speaking region, in this case..you could do one of the following:

If willing, stay in Zurich but commute to your work, yes long distance, but I know people who do similar distances as a compromise, then if you like your job you could move later.

You could also discuss with your wife moving to a "mid-way" place such as Fribourg, where the commuting distance is less for each of you.

You know your circumstances better, just my two cents.

Good luck


You are right ,
i am applying in the french part and i will move as soon as i get a job , till then im waiting.

Thanks a lot.

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If the latter, then again, as people have said, the combination "naval industry" + "not sufficient German" + "no considerable work experience" is not a good starting point. If you want to do something in the naval industry, then Switzerland and especially Zurich is not the place for you. You seriously need to get this into your system. If I want to be a surf instructor I don't move to a village in the Alps - you want to be a naval engineer, move somewhere where there's a real naval industry and where you speak the local language!


If you are fine with anything, then spend some time on brushing up your German to at least a B1 level, rather B2 and apply for low-skilled jobs of some kind or other, in manufacturing or constructing or whatnot.

be awear that my marine engineering and naval architecture diplomas are all under the mechanical engineering field.

thats why i m looking in Zurich , but you are right , the french part would be better , and i got A2 deutsch level in 4 months , the RAV said its too fast , i am an international enginer with brillant mind , i can reach B1 fastly , we all pass by hard times in our life , and this is my turn , but i will never give up and soon guys i comeback to you with a good news inchallah.

Thanks again

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