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looking for job for non-EU married in switzeerland

hello everybody

Im have a mechanical engineering master from Algeria , i have been shosen by the european commission to continu my studies and joined a special programe (25 engineer from all over the world ) and got an other master double degree in naval architecture in europe, i live in switzerland with my swiss wife , it has been one year since im looking for a job in zurich , i speak arabic , english , french and could reach an A2 deutsch level , but still waiting for my chance , i applied everywhere in all filds but no good feedback , im totaly traumatized and feeling that im loosing my carrier because of this critical situation.

i dont know what to do ! any advice from you guys ?
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Re: looking for job for non-EU married in switzeerland

Do you have to work in Zürich? Without german this maybe hard. You could apply to companies in the French part of Switzerland, or maybe even France or the UK if you would consider moving!?
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Old 25.02.2015, 00:22
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Re: looking for job for non-EU married in switzeerland

First, if your cover letter is written in a similar English as this post here, please have it proof-read. My English isn't perfect either, but I see tons of fundamental errors in your writing here, so if this post is any indication, have your letter corrected - this should be job one.

Second, on entry-level, without German (A2 is not enough), you'll have a very hard time finding a job. Since you speak French, it would be MUCH easier for you to look for work in the French-speaking part, though that still doesn't mean that you will have tons of offers within the week. But it would make your profile slightly more relevant and interesting to potential employers.

Third, I assume you have a valid work permit (likely based on your marriage) and it is indicated accordingly on your CV? If not, include this explicitly, cause if you do not, people might think you have no work permit in Switzerland and no company will bother sponsoring a permit for you (also, they couldn't get one anyway).

Fourth, how many applications have you sent? 10, 20, 100 so far? Just in Zurich? Or where else?
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Re: looking for job for non-EU married in switzeerland

I'm not sure how many jobs in navel architecture you are going to find in Switzerland (?). Perhaps you look for post docs/job at the EZH or the EPFL in Lausanne. But honestly, you should discuss with your wife about looking for work and moving outside of Switzerland otherwise if you wait too long you could very well, as you say, kill your career.

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Re: looking for job for non-EU married in switzeerland

Thanks guys for your comments.

I see that it's really hard to get a job in the german part of switzerland.

me and my wife are ready to move to the french part , i was also thinking about UK or USA but before this step , do you guys think that its possible to sarcifice and find a job offer in an other field like costumer services , banking , insurance ...?

i just need to work and improve my skills in administrations or production companies ...

Sometimes i commite small mistakes because im writting under the stress !

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Re: looking for job for non-EU married in switzeerland

I was wondering about the "naval" thing as well - is that the field you're looking for? OK I know absolutely nothing about this, but my first thought was that "naval" and "Switzerland" don't quite go together, for obvious reasons. But my thinking might be way too simplistic here and of course I'm not saying there's nothing at all, there might be, but probably not a lot.

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me and my wife are ready to move to the french part , i was also thinking about UK or USA but before this step , do you guys think that its possible to sarcifice and find a job offer in an other field like costumer services , banking , insurance ...?
Nah, same situation and I dare say your chances are even smaller as, on top of the challenges already outlined, you also don't have the respective educational background. Switzerland has a highly competitive labor market to begin with and neither banking nor insurance will particularly be running after candidates with your profile. And most customer-facing roles will not be an option due to the language issue. Exceptions might apply, so I'm just speaking generally here.

Maybe management consulting is a possibility, if that's a route you're interested in and if you're prepared to invest the respective hours. At least most (of the larger) consulting firms seem to be open to taking in graduates with all kinds of educational backgrounds on the business analyst level. Note that this is not the US, though, where this route might be a bit easier to take and also note that in Switzerland, it can be harder to move off a certain path once it was chosen. It's not impossible, of course, but more difficult, at least compared to other countries. So be careful with taking a route that is considerably different from what you would technically want to do.
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Re: looking for job for non-EU married in switzeerland

thank you bro.

I have an apointement with the RAV , will discuss with them the further solutions then we will see.
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lost between my heart and my mind

Hello guys,

I have finished my studies in Algeria , i got a master in engineering then worked for 2 years in a national company , i had a good salary and permanent position.
I have been selected by a european program among many engineers from all over the world, then got an other master after 2 years of studies.

I met a Swiss girl and love her , then i decided to quit my job and come to leave here in switzerland afer marrying .

Now im here as a jobless after one year of job applications.

I am Lost now !

any suggestions , ideas ...

merci beaucoup.
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Re: lost between my heart and my mind

Hello and welcome to the forum. What is your question?
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Re: lost between my heart and my mind

No one can make a decision head vs. heart for you.

But you've received input in your other thread already and might want to try a couple of recommendations from there first
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Re: lost between my heart and my mind

Is she supporting you financially ? If yes then enjoy, well done!! Do you ski? If not then you have a couple of months left to get out there
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Re: lost between my heart and my mind

how are you surviving now? your wife is supporting you?
have you tried french switzerland? engineering is not very specific...
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Re: lost between my heart and my mind

Did you not ask the same thing yesterday? http://www.englishforum.ch/daily-lif...tzeerland.html
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Re: lost between my heart and my mind

We are living a normal life as a familly ,she spend money but i couldn't support this unemployement situation , i wanna work and improve my skills , i never ask my wife for a financial support ,i thaught it's easy to get a job in switzerland, but i found a crazy reality , im shocked ...
im qualified enough to work and make our future , i was actif in my country , working , earning , enjoying ... but here i feel descriminated and sad
i dont know any Swiss who can recommande me a job ...!
my question is where can i get a job , any job , my first priority is to earn money then we will see.
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Re: looking for job for non-EU married in switzeerland

If you just want any job for now… then as suggested already, head to the French part of Switzerland.
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Re: looking for job for non-EU married in switzeerland

yeah man , but we can't move now , we have signed a contract with the appartement awner till 2016
I have to find a job in Zurich !
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Re: looking for job for non-EU married in switzeerland

Your frustration is understandable, but you seem to ignore the advice people already gave, and keep asking the same thing instead.

We've outlined a few options above to answer your question as to "where can I find a job". No, there aren't many, but there are things you can consider or try. The French part of Switzerland (by far the first thing for you to think about). Consulting. Jobs at the (technical) universities.

You've also ignored questions about your cover letter/language on your cover letter and work permit status/indication of work permit status on CV. You've also still not explained what exact field you're interested in or how many applications you've sent and to where and what kinds of companies.

Sorry to say that, but people can only help you so far. If you don't provide additional input and answer a few questions, how do you expect anyone to help you further?

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yeah man , but we can't move now , we have signed a contract with the appartement awner till 2016
I have to find a job in Zurich !
No you don't. You can find a replacement tenant. Should be the easiest thing in the world to do in Zurich.

You know that's something people claim a lot - "we can't move, we can't do this, we can't do that, I need a job within a 10km radius". Well, sorry, but it's not always that easy and as of some point, it's either changing circumstances or live with how things are. You have been unable to find a job in Zurich for a year - it's time to face that chances are you might not find one for another couple of months or even years.

No one's telling you you have to move tomorrow. But it certainly can't hurt to explore whether you have better chances in the French speaking part and at least send out a few applications. And if you find something and your wife can't move for some reason, then come on, this is Switzerland, take a studio wherever your job is and commute home on the weekend. Plenty of people do that.
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Re: looking for job for non-EU married in switzeerland

These are the companies in France you should be looking at,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...nies_of_France

With no German and poor English, and no ship building in Zurich, your chances here are zero!
There is a VERY small amount of boat building in west Switzerland, not much for an engineer.

Leave your wife in Zurich and get a job in France, then she can join you next year.
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Re: looking for job for non-EU married in switzeerland

Dear Samaire13 ,

I already changed the cover letters and the CV , i applied everywhere in engineering companies, production , mechanical maintenance , call centers , banks(Client service) and technical universities for a PHD ...

Im tired of applying everyday without any result !

my question is clear , what is the easiest job to get in switzerland !


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Re: looking for job for non-EU married in switzeerland

I was out of work for 3 years, despite having qualifications in computer engineering, English, French, & German, and good employment certificates from Swiss companies covering continuous employment for 18 years. So maybe you are being unreasonable and impatient?

You haven't received much sympathy because we cannot help you. There are no jobs here in naval architecture. You have to move to places where there is work for you: France, South Korea, maybe Scotland.

If you want to live in poor housing, get up at 4 am and pick vegetables from fields, for very little money, there is a job for you, you should apply in Rumania.
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