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PhD salary in University of Zurich

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I have a PhD offer in University of Zurich. HR department told me for a PhD student annual salary is around 47040 CHF from which 3250 CHF will be deducted in total.
I was wondering if somebody is doing PhD from Uni of Zurich or knows somebody who is doing PhD there can let me know that this is the only amount of tax I have to pay. Or there are some more hidden taxes and social securities.
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Re: PhD salary in University of Zurich

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I recently took a position at the University of Geneva at the conditions you state. In short, the salary is not enough for living in Geneva, I am not sure about Zurich but I think the situation should be similar. Additional necessary deductions will be health insurance (300 CHF approx or more per month) and the tax deductions at source are 20-25% depending on your situation.

There is no way you will be able to meet your basic expenses unless your rent is something like 600-700 CHF. Forget about saving.

Just to inform future students considering taking a phd job in Switzerland, it is necessary to truly understand living costs here before you accept a position with what looks like a reasonable salary. In fact the phd salary set for phd students by the university officially is about 60,000CHF pa, and several students do receive this salary, especially if they have a degree in the 'hard sciences'. There seems to be no actual basis for professors hiring students at a lower salary, expect that they are trying to have 'cheap labor'. Accepting a salary which is 30% less means you will have to reduce your living conditions accordingly, and keep in mind that the 60,000 is considered by the state to be at the lower bottom line of the salary range in Switzerland.
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Re: PhD salary in University of Zurich

https://en.comparis.ch/steuern/steue...h/default.aspx

The tax figures could be correct depending on where you live in Switzerland.

I pumped your figures into the above, and came out at 4300chf per year for Adliswil. There may be grants and rebates for academics the above website is not aware of. That should provide an upper bound.

I'm often telling families on here that 130K chf is not doable if you want a house, car, child care, etc. Once they stop thinking like that things can be good. In addition, I agree with all the points below from keyboard.

Yes, it's is too low, the Professor is trying to get cheap labour, eg from 3rd world students who will slum it, like every other sector out there, etc etc.

But in this case, I would say yes, definitely take the position whatever is on offer. ETH is great, Zurich is clean and safe, transport is expensive but fantastic, I have rented rooms out for all in costs up to 700 in Adliswil, with post grads cycling to ETH, doing internships etc. There are cheaper closer rooms too no doubt. You are going to have to "slum it". But Switzerland is the best place to slum it, and as a single person it is so easy to make do, with style, enjoy your research, no distraction of the old car needing an MFK, you only have a bike. You go to second hand shops, Brocki's, a few of which can be fantastic with the right person on the desk. Take packed lunches where ever you go, shop in Denner, Lidl, Aldi, Germany, etc. I think one person could do it even on 30K chf netto.

The problem comes, if you have a dependent or part dependent partner who has to slum it, then it becomes mission impossible, and the financial toll will likely destroy your relationship, impact studies, etc. In many ways, not having money can help focus you on your research and study.

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Hi,
I recently took a position at the University of Geneva at the conditions you state. In short, the salary is not enough for living in Geneva, I am not sure about Zurich but I think the situation should be similar. Additional necessary deductions will be health insurance (300 CHF approx or more per month) and the tax deductions at source are 20-25% depending on your situation.

There is no way you will be able to meet your basic expenses unless your rent is something like 600-700 CHF. Forget about saving.

Just to inform future students considering taking a phd job in Switzerland, it is necessary to truly understand living costs here before you accept a position with what looks like a reasonable salary. In fact the phd salary set for phd students by the university officially is about 60,000CHF pa, and several students do receive this salary, especially if they have a degree in the 'hard sciences'. There seems to be no actual basis for professors hiring students at a lower salary, expect that they are trying to have 'cheap labor'. Accepting a salary which is 30% less means you will have to reduce your living conditions accordingly, and keep in mind that the 60,000 is considered by the state to be at the lower bottom line of the salary range in Switzerland.
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Re: PhD salary in University of Zurich

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Well, speaking from my personal experience, I regret taking the position without having done sufficient research beforehand. There could be other factors such as that I had a position in the industry before and so am used to a certain 'minimum' quality of life.
In all cases, I dont see why one needs to 'slum it' further, the 60,000 CHF salary is already supposed to be 'slumming it'. I also do not see why Switzerland is the best place to 'slum it'... even with the best salary lets be honest.. it can be boring. Its true in France and Germany phd salaries are lower, but if you have an interesting position and are not living in an expensive city like Paris, then it becomes clear that you would have a much better quality of life earning 1600 EUR in a smaller town in France/Germany/Spain/Italy/etc than you would in earning 3000 CHF in Zurich.
With that salary you would anyway not be able to appreciate the benefits of living in a larger city, all the concerts and interesting events would be un-affordable.
All I'm saying is, if its just about the 'comparatively' higher salary, you will end up regretting the decision to move here.
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I'm often telling families on here that 130K chf is not doable if you want a house, car, child care, etc. Once they stop thinking like that things can be good. In addition, I agree with all the points below from keyboard.

Yes, it's is too low, the Professor is trying to get cheap labour, eg from 3rd world students who will slum it, like every other sector out there, etc etc.

But in this case, I would say yes, definitely take the position whatever is on offer. ETH is great, Zurich is clean and safe, transport is expensive but fantastic, I have rented rooms out for all in costs up to 700 in Adliswil, with post grads cycling to ETH, doing internships etc. There are cheaper closer rooms too no doubt. You are going to have to "slum it". But Switzerland is the best place to slum it, and as a single person it is so easy to make do, with style, enjoy your research, no distraction of the old car needing an MFK, you only have a bike. You go to second hand shops, Brocki's, a few of which can be fantastic with the right person on the desk. Take packed lunches where ever you go, shop in Denner, Lidl, Aldi, Germany, etc. I think one person could do it even on 30K chf netto.

The problem comes, if you have a dependent or part dependent partner who has to slum it, then it becomes mission impossible, and the financial toll will likely destroy your relationship, impact studies, etc. In many ways, not having money can help focus you on your research and study.
Sorry, but I have to disagree with one point. Every single PhD Student I know (Swiss, EU or non-EU) gets the 47040 CHF starting salary. This number is the official minimal starting salary for PhD students (according to SNF). Some PhD students get payed more, but only if they take over additional responsibilities (especially teaching), however this depends on the policy within the University/department/institute.

When I started my PhD the starting salaries were even lower (around 42000 CHF/year before taxes) and I never had any financial problems. Therefore, I would say as a single person 47000 CHF is quite comfortable.
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Re: PhD salary in University of Zurich

Must say that this thread is making me want to do research again, especially in Zurich now that I know more ins and outs.
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Re: PhD salary in University of Zurich

Yes its probably worthwhile updating those figures. Clearly the cost of living in Switzerland has increased in the past few years, and Geneva is far more expensive than Zurich.
For Geneva it certainly is impossible to live reasonably close to the city and survive on the 3000 CHF.
I am sorry scipio, while it could be possible many Phd students earn that SNF salary, I sadly found out (after accepting the job) that the other phds in my dept earn 30% more than than amount stated on that website, ie approx 60000 CHF. I am not even sure why they put that salary there... on all the Swiss University websites you will find different salaries stated for Phd students, significantly higher than the SNF! For example: http://www.unige.ch/recherche/en/doctoral/financement/

I believe the 47040 is the salary if your prof applied for you to be an snf scholar without an attached project, not if you are hired to work at an already funded project at the University. After that sure, if people accept a lower salary, thats what they will be paid.
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