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Re: 4 months off from RAV to launch business: trap!

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I wonder if later though, when it is ready to launch, they could refuse him permission to be self-employed off that project.
No, they could not. Not their business once he signs of RAV. They may try and claw back payments made if they can show he was worKing on it in RAV time, but I'd probably sign off RAV a month early to avoid this (ie to be able to say the setup work was done in that last month).

Pretty sure they can't actually make him abandon it entirely either, just , as they have done , tell him he can't do it on RAV time.
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In effect, the OP has been crowd-funded by the Swiss taxpayers, and not from those high profile companies set to gain from the venture.

We'll be expecting our shares once you list.
That's a little harsh, to say the least. His RAV entitlement is based on his own payments into the fund, so no tax money involved, and helping unemployed folks to start their own business is a fundamental part of their remit.
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I was unemployed for 12 months once, and this option was explained to me, along with ALL THE CAVEATS. I cannot believe that OP was not given the full terms. Reading the fineprint is Entrepreneur 101.
It was clearly explained to me too. I ditched the business route as I had a better chance of finding a job than earning more than RAV payments doing my own business in just 4 months. The first month was wasted on courses and in the end I had a job offer by then. The no RAV support until the business was running for 12 months was the clincher for me.
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Re: 4 months off from RAV to launch business: trap!

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No, they could not. Not their business once he signs of RAV. They may try and claw back payments made if they can show he was worKing on it in RAV time, but I'd probably sign off RAV a month early to avoid this (ie to be able to say the setup work was done in that last month).

Pretty sure they can't actually make him abandon it entirely either, just , as they have done , tell him he can't do it on RAV time.
Thought it's 8 hours a day on RAV. surely what you do in your own time is none of their business.
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Re: 4 months off from RAV to launch business: trap!

Been interesting to sit back and see peoples attitudes here...

I was merely pointing out that I was AT NO POINT warned that I'd have to give up the project in it's entirety at the end of the 4 months.

A project I'd been working on, in my own time, for the past 12 months+. And conceptually for a couple of years prior to that.

I did not stop looking for a job: the 4 months without supervision was actually recommended to me because I needed to travel extensively to get the project to the next step and as we know, that isn't permitted under the RAV rules rather than because I wanted to avoid the forms etc...

I have no problems to go back to the job hunt process at the end of the 4 months, but it's been made clear to me (by the RAV), that there will be no job for me in CH unless I manage to create it myself. This process was my best chance of doing that.

Now I've been forced to hand the project off to a German company, if they manage to make the project work, I will (in theory) get an income. They expect to hire 5-10 people at least in the first year if/when it launches. The RAV's attitude has cost Switzerland those jobs.

My subsequent dispatch to a German course was a by-product of this, yes, as the woman who I had to apply to for the 4 months out, was in fact the "employment overlord" to whom the RAV adviser reports and she decided from our communications that my German wasn't adequate. I don't think it's a conspiracy to ensure I am completely grounded in CH every single day of the week...

I hope those of you with the slightly more aggressive responses on here are perhaps a little re-assured that I'm not here to rip off the system. Merely wanted to share my experience and offer up a small warning.
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