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Old 08.04.2015, 00:13
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Firing the Sole Provider of the Family?

Dear fellow members,

As some of you know my wife suffered full blown burnout back in December of 2013, then later in 2014 quit her job and we are now *very* pregnant and expecting baby #2.

A week ago I was served the 3-month notification letter advising upcoming termination end of June 2015.

Given that my wife is due in 4 weeks and for the following 4 months in maternity - are there any limitations to my termination as sole provider of the family?

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Re: Firing the Sole Provider of the Family?

No

Also why would they have any business or concern about your wife's setback and your pregnancy?

Make sure your permits stay in place if they are contract bound.
And get your unemployment papers lined up
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Old 08.04.2015, 01:18
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Dear fellow members,

As some of you know my wife suffered full blown burnout back in December of 2013, then later in 2014 quit her job and we are now *very* pregnant and expecting baby #2.

A week ago I was served the 3-month notification letter advising upcoming termination end of June 2015.

Given that my wife is due in 4 weeks and for the following 4 months in maternity - are there any limitations to my termination as sole provider of the family?

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About "A week ago"? - if they did not serve you with the letter in March then you have a possible case to to delay your termination to end July.
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Old 08.04.2015, 01:32
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are there any limitations to my termination as sole provider of the family?
No. Why would there be? Where would it end if individual personal situations became a relevant factor? You might get lucky with an employer who cares and takes these things into consideration to a certain degree, but there's no legal obligations whatsoever.

Go to RAV tomorrow, you need to register pretty much immediately upon receiving your notice.
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Old 08.04.2015, 09:10
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Re: Firing the Sole Provider of the Family?

I've been the sole provider for my family in a number of different countries. In not one of them does it make a difference to my employment security.
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Re: Firing the Sole Provider of the Family?

Defcon3

sorry this has happened to you at a trying time. As said below, to the RAV asap and get your papers in order with them.


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Go to RAV tomorrow, you need to register pretty much immediately upon receiving your notice.
Stay on good terms with your employer & collegues. Get job hunting & keep records of same.
If nothing turns up, the RAV will require you to show them proof of a number of job applications since you received your termination notice. Otherwise they will penalise your first payment from them.

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Old 08.04.2015, 12:18
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Re: Firing the Sole Provider of the Family?

I'm not aware of any legal factors that would impact this, but there can be human factors which might impact it.

Since you already have been given notice, I assume those were not known or factored in.

I know a few people who have kept their jobs solely because they are a single mother and hardship for the single mother was to be avoided. Another case where a single guy was hired purely because he had no connections and there was a high chance that the whole company would go tits-up in a few months.

You could try a direct appeal to your boss, but I guess it is hard to change a decision once it is made. Better to let these factors be known so that it can be taken into account earlier.

On the other hand, you might be in a tough spot, but maybe you could end up in a better position because of it, so maybe there is a silver lining somewhere...
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Old 08.04.2015, 12:55
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Re: Firing the Sole Provider of the Family?

Sorry to hear about your predicament. I agree with Phil; do talk to your manager and see if they are willing to work with you and offer you something else, or some extra months or work. If you don't ask, you won't get!

I hope you have family and friends who can help you and your wife in the next few weeks. The first few weeks with a second child are actually harder than when you had your first child - so we found.

I hope things work out well for you all.

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Old 08.04.2015, 12:58
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Re: Firing the Sole Provider of the Family?

I would definitely seek to discuss the situation with your boss to seek to understand the reasons for being fired. But I would at the same time start actively hunting. I was fired once and had a new job before the end of the notice period so it was a pretty seamless transition. I actually wanted to take a month or two of unpaid leave in between but my new employer wasn't open to discussing that. In hindsight I could have pushed harder in asking for it but I was young and inexperienced at the time.

Having said that, eight people in my department where fired along with me. The reason was a change of policy at a higher level and they worked out our department wasn't necessary. It turned out they soon backpedaled on that one and six of those eight were hired back into their old jobs within six months (they asked me too). So whatever you do, don't burn bridges and stay in touch with people.
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Dear fellow members,

As some of you know my wife suffered full blown burnout back in December of 2013, then later in 2014 quit her job and we are now *very* pregnant and expecting baby #2.

A week ago I was served the 3-month notification letter advising upcoming termination end of June 2015.

Given that my wife is due in 4 weeks and for the following 4 months in maternity - are there any limitations to my termination as sole provider of the family?

Cheers
They are a business... why is your personal situation going to be important to them if either your performance isn't cutting the mustard enough to retain your employment, or they simply don't need your role any more? Do they owe you anything?

Additionally, won't you go on RAV and then be on benefits until you find another job?

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Old 08.04.2015, 13:24
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A week ago I was served the 3-month notification letter advising upcoming termination end of June 2015.

Given that my wife is due in 4 weeks
You will be owed your week of paternity leave.

I understand that a doctor-verified illness, er whatever merits a note from the doctor, essentially "pauses" your notice period, sometimes resulting in the extension of the notice period to the end of the subsequent month.

You'll need to verify the above, but more importantly, your paternity leave may serve just as well, in that those 5 days will [perhaps{!}] "pause" your notice period.

If your term notice was received by registered post on April 2nd, but dated March 31st, who knows, someone here, I'm sure. BUT, if the notice was executed in person, after April 1, you probably have until End July.

Couple that with the Pat' leave, and it may be end August.

With no other information from your profile, or other aspects of your circumstances, I don't think we can do better than that.
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You will be owed your week of paternity leave.
Careful! There is no legal paternity leave in Switzerland. Or it's only one day. Check your contract. The company might have a paternity leave but that is not a legal one valid in all companies.
It's a tough situation. I wish you good luck and that you will find another employment soon.
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Old 08.04.2015, 15:13
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I would definitely seek to discuss the situation with your boss to seek to understand the reasons for being fired. But I would at the same time start actively hunting. I was fired once and had a new job before the end of the notice period so it was a pretty seamless transition. I actually wanted to take a month or two of unpaid leave in between but my new employer wasn't open to discussing that. In hindsight I could have pushed harder in asking for it but I was young and inexperienced at the time.

Having said that, eight people in my department where fired along with me. The reason was a change of policy at a higher level and they worked out our department wasn't necessary. It turned out they soon backpedaled on that one and six of those eight were hired back into their old jobs within six months (they asked me too). So whatever you do, don't burn bridges and stay in touch with people.
About " six of those eight were hired back into their old jobs"
You never know how these situations will turn out.
One time I was fired along with a lot of other people in England. I drove straight to the bank and paid extra to have their cheque fast cleared.
Then I was driving home when they called me and said "don't cash the cheque we have changed our minds"
I was happy to tell them "too late".
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Thanks, I figured as much. Again, needs verification.

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I was happy to tell them "too late".
What happened, did you opt to stay fired? Possession being 9/10ths of the law, and all, I still imagine they expected it back..[?]
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Re: Firing the Sole Provider of the Family?

Wow, thank you all for the fast replies and excellent points. Allow me to note a few things:

Reason for posting was a friend of my wife's who swore over the phone "it's illegal, it's illegal, I know for sure, go see a lawyer" like a mantra as if this would change anything. Well, the only thing it changed was put doubt in our original plan to suck up, breathe after the punch and get up to fight a better fight next time. Before I go see any professional, I turn to the collective knowledge here but this time the search didn't return much, so I posted a new thread.

My direct manager, line manger, division VP and SVP all know of my personal situation, so them pulling the trigger was unexpected to say the least. The company is going through a major restructuring which management has tough time handling and, as we are missing targets a 3rd consecutive year they are literally throwing bodies off the boat to stop it from sinking - lo and behold, of 10 people fired 9 of us are Swiss and highly qualified and in senior positions. Nothing personal, it's just business and the cost cuts pick no favourites. In my mind I'm with Phil - this may turn out to be a blessing in disguise, as I got the kick in the butt I needed to seek advancement and better employment of (and remuneration for) my skills

Yes, I was gutted and lost sleep; yes, I plotted revenge and the annihilation of all bridges, villages and roads in and out, then quietly sobbed to how futile this is and how little it would change, save more graphic language, I took time to go through the stages required to get back on my feet and think positive and constructive on what's next.

The three months' notice I have are available for me to actively seek employment, I'm not chained to my desk per se. I have already applied to several jobs and am keeping record of those applications. Actively reviving my network of contacts and paging headhunters I have come to know in the past years.

This thread has found the answers it sought, so again, I thank you all for taking the time to share your knowledge.

Better news next time
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lo and behold, of 10 people fired 9 of us are Swiss and highly qualified and in senior positions. Nothing personal, it's just business and the cost cuts
Yup. As long as you remember it isn't personal (and even if it is, it doesn't matter) and get to the stage of accepting it dispassionately and moving on you will be good to go.

I've seen similar drastic cuts - ones where a team of 20+ was cut down to a team of 2 who had to then take the load. The most senior were cut as they had the highest salaries. Only the most junior remained. In that case, I'm not sure who got the worse deal.

Almost everyone I know who has been cut in this way has moved on to bigger and better things. Many people reach a stage when they are content and settle into a cruise mode. I've done it myself. Sometimes you need that extra boot to get your arse in gear and move onto better things.

I really like my current job and I would not have got it were it not for the fact that my old company was about to shutdown and force me to find a new job.
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Thanks, I figured as much. Again, needs verification.


What happened, did you opt to stay fired? Possession being 9/10ths of the law, and all, I still imagine they expected it back..[?]
What happened!
Bizzare!
I signed up with an agency who sold me back to the company as a freelance at about double my gross salary.
Avoided the company embarrasement of hiring me back on the payroll. Eventually, the agency Swiss affiliate found me a job here about 20years ago!

Oddly I have not heard from the agency guy who signed me up originally in UK for many years and then I got an email today from him via LinkedIn.
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