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Kindergarten salary

Does any one know how I can find out the basic salary for a kindergarten teacher in Zurich? I am going through the process of interview at a bilingual preschool/kindergarten and need to know my salary expectations. Would appreciate some advice.
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4'000-5'000
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Thank you, that's helpful. Would that be before or after tax?
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Re: Kindergarten salary

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It can be a quite tedious a labor to get all your previous teaching- and otherwise useful experiences together. You will likely need written proof of those experiences. And then they will work out your salary. You'll have to ask about Quellensteuer if you do not have a C-permit.

I am currently working in the city (ZH) and get 3.7k for 60% before taxes. But I have lots of experience and I'm over 40.

Good luck!
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Re: Kindergarten salary

Thank you thats really helpful! I'm also looking to do 60% and over 40
so that's good to know.
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Re: Kindergarten salary

Those would all be BEFORE taxes and other takeouts. In my experience on a B permit for 5k close to 1k is taken out (tax, social, etc etc)
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Re: Kindergarten salary

Interesting. I have a c permit, does this make much difference?
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Re: Kindergarten salary

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Interesting. I have a c permit, does this make much difference?
Not much difference to the amount you pay in tax, but to how it's collected. You would not pay Quellensteuer (PAYE tax deducted at source from your salary), but instead make an upfront payment (or payments) by the due date set by your canton and Gemeinde. This payment is essentially in advance -- you usually have until around September to pay income tax for the entire current year. As a C-permit holder, you will have to submit a tax return (not required at that salary level if you pay Quellensteuer).

Your tax rate will be determined by your Gemeinde and canton, rather than being set as the average of the canton (as for Quellensteuer). Your rate will probably be pretty close to the Quellensteuer rate.
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OK I get it, many thanks!!

Marischi: Interested to know what hours do you do in your 60%?
Thx.

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Re: Kindergarten salary

There are two kinds of hours - teaching hours and non- teaching hours. Teaching hours: from 8:10 till 11:55 on my three mornings and from 13:40 to 15:30 in the afternoon ( I teach one afternoon and three mornings) In the afternoon i teach only the big kids, those who are in their second year of kindergarten. In the morning, i teach the whole class all by myself (20 children roughly between the ages of four to six). About non- teaching- hours: some of them are fixed: two hours of team and other meetings weekly. Meetings with parents and so on and I normally spend the whole Wednesday afternoon with preparations for my lessons, getting al the paperwork done for administrations, Friday i normally leave school around three.

Hope this helps you some! Which school do you apply for?

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Re: Kindergarten salary

That's really helpful thank you. The reason I ask is because the school is a new private bilingual nursery, who want someone to set up their new kindergarten. However they're open all year round which means they don't offer the regular school holidays, just 4 weeks a year. There's no structure in place at all at the moment so its all a bit of guess work how I'd go about it, plus I think I would need to ask for a slightly higher salary based on the fact that there are no term holidays. There open 12 hours a day 7am to 7pm but I have no interest in working those times and would prefer to work around a school timetable. They've open and flexible so its really up to me to suggest a solution.
So would you say you have 2 hours non teaching time for weekly meetings with staff and parents plus another 2 hours for preparation time? Really grateful for your help.
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Re: Kindergarten salary

I suspect that if you compare yourself with Marischi you will get pretty disapointed. It sound like she works in a public kindergarten while what you are looking at seems like a krippe that wants to expand into kindergarden but also offer full day care.

These are two very different type of organisations and I would be very surprised if you would be offered anything else than max 5'000 for 42.5 hour week / 4 weeks holiday. And expect 8.5 hours care duty. Dont expect them to be able to offer you much "prep" hours. But I may be wrong of course.....
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Re: Kindergarten salary

Ouch, so it seems they do not open a regular swiss kindergarten but a Kinderkrippe/Kinderhort similar to the german system.

Swiss Kindergarten is an official part of the school system with all the trimmings of a regular school: school holidays, school reports, as there are DaZ-lessons - a specialized teacher who comes to teach German as a Second Language to small groups if needed.
And also IF is taught by other specialized teachers. IF meaning integrated furthering of needy children or children with learning or behavioral problems will get therapy during Kindergarten, sometimes in small groups, sometimes integrated.
Those two years are counted as the first two years of the eleven years state schools (Volksschule)

Private Kindergartens who are up to par with the state Kindergartens need a license or such and have to comply to the Curriculum of state Kindergartens. Otherwise, the "graduated" Kindergarteners can not advance to state schools 1.grade. They get controlled as the state schools are but might be allowed some special "liberties" as teachings in religion - I know of jewish and catholic/protestant private Kindergartens. They have to offer the official Curriculum and hours, too. If they have longer hours, these would be called child -care (Hort/Krippe/Tagesschule) and there is other personnel who will care for the children.

You would need a Swiss Kindergarten-teachers diploma (Bachelor PH) or an officially, by the EDK accepted foreign diploma (Bachelor of Pedagogy, teachers college...). If you'd be sort of a team- teacher - only speaking English and doing team-teaching in the lessons and and another teacher with swiss Bachelor in Pedagogy, that might work. But take this with a grain of salt as I'm not an expert :-)

It sounds like your future employer ist somewhat confused about the school laws here. I hope that helped you somehow!
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Re: Kindergarten salary

Yes you could be right, this is something I'll have to consider.
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Re: Kindergarten salary

Wow thank you for all that info! I had no idea but of course it makes sense that they need to be working on the same page as the state schools. I don't know how much they know about the rules but my feeling is that they want someone to organize the set up of it but aren't sure where to start. I do have an accepted foreign diploma but haven't yet worked in Switzerland as a teacher, only London, where I'm from, so this is all new territory for me. Thanks for your post it's given me a lot to consider :-)
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Re: Kindergarten salary

Hi! What percentage is the tax?

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