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Contract Terminated - help/suggestions

Dear,

I was wondering your opinion on something.

I was invited for an internship. During the interview I asked if the internship would lead to a job if all went well and I was told yes. I also asked about my daily tasks and I was said certain things which I then realised were not quite true.

On the second day of the internship I found that that it is the company's policy to hire several interns and then recruit only a few (not what I was told and I would not have agreed with this policy) and the job would have been an admin/commercial/sales oriented one with targets and loads of pressure and not the editorial/content support I believed. I would have had to send semi-automated email for 90% of my time and find "clients". Again this was not what I was told during the interview.

During the interview I was also told about a personal project I could work on, only to find out that for them it didn't have any importance. I would have started it on the third month and only for 2h a week.

So on the third day, since there wasn't a reciprocal interest any longer they terminated the contract. Now I wonder if it is fair that I am the only part that has to pay for this (specifically the lease I had to sign to live here) or whether they should offer to cover the expenses that I had.

Thank you for the information.
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Re: Contract Terminated - help/suggestions

Where were you recruited from, was the work permission all legitimate and the visa process etc correct ?

Is there a notice period stipulated in your contract ?

Do you want to stay (in Switzerland) or go - is your permit tied to employment ?

Did they pay any of your relocation costs - are they offering a contract termination/notice period or compensation for stuffing you around ?

Do you quit or did they terminate the contract. Usually, Swiss contracts have termination periods written into them, or if not then the Swiss law is quite clear on these sorts of things.

Is it really an 'internship' or are they just in the business of faking it to get cheap labour?
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Re: Contract Terminated - help/suggestions

Dear SP,

Thank you for your reply, I actually feel quite fragile in this moment. I'll reply to your questions the best I can. I had just started the internship (3 days ago) I don't know about the legitimate visa process (work permit), I think it is something we would have done today.

The notice period is one week, starting from today. They didn't pay me any relocation costs. I asked for a refund to cover for the 6 months lease I signed three days ago and they offered me a month's intern salary of chf 1800, if I sign that I will not make other requests. I asked if I could ask for a second opinion.

They terminated the contract. I didn't expect to find many interns in the company and I understood only once the job started that there were only a limited amount of places available after the intern finished. The job for the full time staff is identical to the one of the interns and this is why I thought this practice of hiring more interns than future potential vacant posts only creates an unwelcoming and competitive work environment and it is not a business practice I stand for. I didn't expect to find this in Switzerland.

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What country are you/your passport from ?

How long was the internship contract for ?
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6 months and Italy
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Oh, and it's quite normal to take more interns than permanent jobs - sounds like it's a 'practicum' (work-experience) position - rather than a post-university 'internship'... practicums here are very normal for young employees who have not yet begun their apprenticeship/diploma - there are rules about how they are managed, but it's pretty normal to offer several work experience positions and then offer an apprenticeship or other further training after the person shows some level of success in the job.

What is the probation period on the contract ?

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Re: Contract Terminated - help/suggestions

a month
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You can come to Switzerland for 3 months to look for work. But you probably were not allowed to start work without actually going to the town hall and registering (did you do this?) - you'd need your work contract to do this....

What I would do is either turn up for work tomorrow as normal...intending to work.... or if they have told you to not turn up, then go straight to the local town hall to discuss your situation.

The local town hall may or may not be willing to help, but they might just point you in the right direction, and they might be interested in knowing if the arrangements are not really legal.

Do you think you can easily pick up another job here ? Do you have any qualifications, language skills, family, money, that can help bridge the gap until you find another job ?

During the probation period it's normally clear that the notice period is 7 days for any reason - on both sides. It may have been unwise for you to sign up to a 6 month lease until you had finished your probation period...but it's done now...in that case, the 1 month offer of salary may be a good compromise...unless they 'actively encouraged' you to sign a 6 month lease (how did you manage to get a 6 month lease without a permanent work contract!)...

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To be honest at the moment I'd just like to go back home. I came for this specific role because I thought it was worth it and now I am just very deluded.

No no they didn't force me to sign a 6 months lease. It's only for a room, not an entire flat.

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You can come to Switzerland for 3 months to look for work. But you probably were not allowed to start work without actually going to the town hall and registering (did you do this?) - you'd need your work contract to do this....

What I would do is either turn up for work tomorrow as normal...intending to work.... or if they have told you to not turn up, then go straight to the local town hall to discuss your situation.

The local town hall may or may not be willing to help, but they might just point you in the right direction, and they might be interested in knowing if the arrangements are not really legal.

Do you think you can easily pick up another job here ? Do you have any qualifications, language skills, family, money, that can help bridge the gap until you find another job ?
The employee has to organise their own permit if they are EU, it's perfectly normal they have 8 days to register just like everybody else
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That's fair enough...there is a very clear process here in Switzerland to getting out of an apartment contract - you need to find a replacement tenant very fast.

I would suggest that you inform your landlord immediately (tomorrow) that due to the work contract falling through you would like to depart Switzerland as quickly as possible. Ask them to clearly inform you what steps you need to take in order to be released from the lease (they should clearly tell you that you have to find a replacement tenant)...then place an apartment advertisement a few places locally - wherever you found it in the first place is a good point to start.

I would probably accept the 1 month salary as quickly as possible (in case they change their mind)....and require it to be paid before a set date (eg. whenever your next rent is due)...

In the meantime, think clearly and logically about whether you can find a new job locally (you might be lucky!) or to return home... and you're going to need to sever any contracts that you have signed here for anything else (phone etc)...and that probably will cost some money as well...

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The employee has to organise their own permit if they are EU, it's perfectly normal they have 8 days to register just like everybody else
Is that 8 days after arrival, or 8 days after starting a new job ? I thought that although you can job-seek, you have to get the permit before actually being allowed to begin...although getting the permit should be a simple "walk-in-walk out" process...

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Dear,

I was wondering your opinion on something.

I was invited for an internship. During the interview I asked if the internship would lead to a job if all went well and I was told yes. I also asked about my daily tasks and I was said certain things which I then realised were not quite true.

On the second day of the internship I found that that it is the company's policy to hire several interns and then recruit only a few (not what I was told and I would not have agreed with this policy) and the job would have been an admin/commercial/sales oriented one with targets and loads of pressure and not the editorial/content support I believed. I would have had to send semi-automated email for 90% of my time and find "clients". Again this was not what I was told during the interview.

During the interview I was also told about a personal project I could work on, only to find out that for them it didn't have any importance. I would have started it on the third month and only for 2h a week.

So on the third day, since there wasn't a reciprocal interest any longer they terminated the contract. Now I wonder if it is fair that I am the only part that has to pay for this (specifically the lease I had to sign to live here) or whether they should offer to cover the expenses that I had.

Thank you for the information.
I am sorry this happened to you. And I don't mean to be harsh, but I read that you've started complaining immediately (otherwise how would they have known?) and I don't understand why you would do that. What do you expect? A ton of big-impact projects for a newbie on the first day? If so, you need to adjust your expectations, fast, and I really mean that for your sake. Why didn't you wait a bit to see where the internship was going first? And even if it had turned out you didn't like where it was going, why not stick it out and take it as a work experience? Honestly, if you had been my intern and you would have complained on the second (!) day, I would highly doubt your motivation as well, though I would have probably told you that first before terminating the contract.

Taking on several interns and hiring only few of them is an absolutely normal practice everywhere in the world in every company. That is part of the purpose of an internship. So even if you join another company, you need to get rid of the idea that you would get a job guarantee cause that will very likely not happen.

It is unlikely that you have one month probation period. In the first months(s), there is usually a propation period within which a contract can be terminated with a notice period of 7 days. for these 7 days, they owe you your salary, that's all. If it is indeed a month and there is no probation period in the contract, they can terminate the contract by the end of the month, which in your case would be end of May and the notice period would be until the end of June, i.e. that's how long they have to pay your salary.

You're not "paying" for anything. You didn't like the job, were apparently vocal about that in some way or another and the termination was a consequence of that. They didn't want to fire you, it is you who didn't want the job. They owe you nothing other than what is outlined above. Contracts can be terminated any time in Switzerland, no need to give any reason, ever, as long as the contractual notice period is being followed.

I know you probably think I'm a b* for saying this and I don't mean to attack you, but again, that's how I read your post and if I misunderstood and something else happened, then please elaborate.
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Sounds about normal for an internship
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Is that 8 days after arrival, or 8 days after starting a new job ? I thought that although you can job-seek, you have to get the permit before actually being allowed to begin...although getting the permit should be a simple "walk-in-walk out" process...
No if you are EU you can start work and then get the permit. OH went on day 2 or 3 when he arrived here. He flew in on Monday morning, went to work, was taken to his temp accomodation after work and then went with the relocation agent to set up his bank account and apply for permit a couple of days later (although he could actually have done all that himself).
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Re: Contract Terminated - help/suggestions

Dear Samaire,

Not at all thank you for taking the time to reply and for sharing your opinion. All I can say is that if the communication had been honest from the beginning about the type of job and the intern policy of employment, I wouldn't have accepted it and I wouldn't have taken any other financial commitment which I now have to sort out.

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Dear Samaire,

Not at all thank you for taking the time to reply and for sharing your opinion. All I can say is that if the communication had been honest from the beginning about the type of job and the intern policy of employment, I wouldn't have accepted it and I wouldn't have taken any other financial commitment which I now have to sort out.

Thanks,
I understand that and I can also understand the disappointment if something turns out to be different than you thought. But as I'm an old wise woman ( ) let me tell you that that will happen several times over the years with various jobs, full-time or not. It's just part of the reality of professional life. And I really mean it when I say: take this as a learning and next time, don't rush into decisions - sometimes patience is key and sometimes things turn out much better than you initially think, you just have to stick it out. I've had multiple crappy jobs - even after years of experience - and was often disappointed that things weren't going the way I was promised or the way I had hoped or thought. And sometimes it was good that I quit - and sometimes it was good that I didn't, cause a whole bunch of other doors opened up that I never thought would open up.

And that was my philosophical 3 minutes for today

Check that notice period though to make sure you're paid correctly.
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And that was my philosophical 3 minutes for today

Check that notice period though to make sure you're paid correctly.
I think you will find the notice period is a week, the company have been very generous in offering a month salary.
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Re: Contract Terminated - help/suggestions

Sorry this didn't work out

Does the lease contract explicitly say minimum duration 6 months (or perhaps, earliest cancel date November)? IIRC default notice period (which can be extended by the contract, so 6 months would most probably be legal) for a single room is something like 2 weeks.

Even if you signed for 6 months, should you decide to return early, I'd try to negotiate for a shorter term. Explain the situation, try to reduce to perhaps 3 months if you decide to leave soon. The landlord/agency will hate the possibilty of having to collect from an italian that went back, so using that as leverage isn't nice but what can you do - after all, it's just a few days rent so far, this should certainly play in your favor.
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