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Old 21.05.2015, 17:36
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Re: Going to be laid off - what are my rights

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Yeah, I wonder what is going to happen as increasingly more jobs get outsourced, taken over by robots/computers and eventually artificial intelligence software...
Somebody has to program them, build them and fix them.

Like the "paperless office" - it just introduced printer engineers, PC support teams and the ability to produce more paper more quickly.
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Old 21.05.2015, 17:50
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Somebody has to program them, build them and fix them.

Like the "paperless office" - it just introduced printer engineers, PC support teams and the ability to produce more paper more quickly.
AIs can write the programs
Robots can build them
and robots can fix them
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Old 21.05.2015, 17:52
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Slightly off topic, but I'd just thought I'd mention that one of my clients was interviewing a 59 year old for a permanent position last week.
Also off topic, great, and I sincerely hope that the guy gets the job, however I have said before stories like these are like diamonds in a sea of stones. Too rare to bet any kind of money on.
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Re: Going to be laid off - what are my rights

The boss was nice to inform you that you may need to look for a new position and you are thinking of ways to prevent them to give you notice?

I would go to my boss and say I am going on holiday and ask for my notice.
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Old 22.05.2015, 04:31
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thank you for your advises and opinion, from what I've understood it is technically possible to receive a letter when on holiday, but companies generally prefers not to do so in order to avoid possible complaints about not being able to be notified the message.
Nope. From the link I shared is it clear that while companies might try to pull a fast one - or the HR person sending you the letter simply not knowing that you are on leave... the Swiss legal situation is that your notice period only starts from the day you are back from vacation. When it comes to medical leave has this been written explicitly into the law, when it comes to vacation have courts ruled example cases.

A long story short: if you go on vacation and they send you the letter in the middle of it - share the NZZ link I posted with your HR and I am sure they will fix it as they know they'd lose legally.
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Re: Going to be laid off - what are my rights

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Please do this AFTER your vacation! If you're checking your email / contacting HR when on holiday, it'd mean that you actually got a notice, but just pretending to not have seen it. And then you might lose legally. But again, I'm not a lawyer.

In the end, sickness/vacation might just earn you 1/2 months extra salary. For a more long-term solution, after taking care of your health first, I'd look at Asia and other developing countries - if that's a feasible option. Experienced 50 yo-s are highly regarded there - speaking from what I've seen. Laid off people in Europe, being hired as Directors in Asia. Especially if you've got white skin, flaunt that leather, capitalize it!
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Re: Going to be laid off - what are my rights

Exactly, look after yourself first, sod the other employees. Don't worry about the employer having to find your wages in what maybe difficult times for the company (already laying people off) just diddle he employer as much as possible and where ever you can, finger up the bum is best
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Re: Going to be laid off - what are my rights

Good Luck with the hunt.

Incidently, I am in my 50's, the attitude is generally that now I can only get short term contracts. (My current short term contract being for near 6 years )

If you want a list of the usual suspects for agencies supplying short term staff pm me. They are not paying me to advertise
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Re: Going to be laid off - what are my rights

as someone who is not yet 50 but north enough of 40 to begin to feel it, I can tell you that the best career advice I ever received was that "...it's tough to hit a moving target." my 35 year old self could not only eat and drink much more than my current self, it had the drive and desire to work 10 times harder and sleep 10 times less. in other words, my 35 year old self could absolutely kick my current's self's ass all day long in just about every conceivable way except experience and knowledge. and so I focus on building new experiences and knowledge, and on staying on the move.

sticking with the same employer for 20+ years actually hurts you tremendously after you hit 50, since the reality is that, if you're a middle manager or lower at 50+ a younger and less expensive employee can do your job rather easily. if you're over 50 with a history of increasingly difficult responsibilities and experiences that cross corporate and geographic boundaries, however, you are far more likely to find yourself valuable to a new employer.

I hope everything works out for the OP. if you're struggling with the situation and legitimately finding yourself out of sorts or even depressed, take a sabbatical and do something or go somewhere completely out of your comfort zone. sometimes the greatest opportunities come only when we put ourselves into situations where we are completely uncomfortable and forced to adapt - my former employer seems to restructure itself every 6 months, and the happiest people I know are the ones who took their severance packages, moved someplace new and chased a dream.
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