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Long term unemployment/any benefits for non-EU?

24 months now for me feel so trapped

more than 15 years experience in different countries (eu+non eu countries)
English b2, German b2
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9 Interview in 2 years, no success
no social support from government
no RAV support more than 8 months (no more appointment requests)
Sector: IT (engineering, Network, Support)

I am looking for different solutions. Any help would be very appreciated. (I am not troll or something like that)
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24 months now for me feel so trapped

more than 15 years experience in different countries (eu+non eu countries)
English b2, German b2
B Work permit
9 Interview in 2 years, no success
no social support from government
no RAV support more than 8 months (no more appointment requests)
Sector: IT (engineering, Network, Support)

I am looking for different solutions. Any help would be very appreciated. (I am not troll or something like that)
Are you tied to Switzerland? It's a big(gish) continent. Are you an EU citizen?
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Re: Long term unemployment

I am here for two years (Zürich). I am non eu citizen.
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Old 01.06.2015, 14:25
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Re: Long term unemployment

I suspect you are over 50 years old? Swiss companies are very ageist. Why not move to Britain?

On a B permit with no job and no more RAV payments, you will soon be "asked to leave"
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Re: Long term unemployment

Sorry, maybe a stupid question: you mentioned being out of work for 2 years and that you are here for 2 years.
Did you work before in Switzerland? Because my experience is that a lot of jobs are "sold" from word of mouth only. And if you do not have work experience in Switzerland it is extra difficult to find something (again my experience).
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I am looking for different solutions.
Identify what the problem is that results in you not getting a job (and neither being invited for interviews).

Age? (Technical) qualifications? Ability to communicate? Unconvincing motivation shown at interviews? Salary expectations?

Social support from the government - you will get it whenever you are eligible. That includes Taggeld (RAV). Everything is played by the rule book.

If you do not find employment with your current strategy, change strategy (change vocation, move to a different place, freelance instead of employment)

All of this is very generic advice, but without you undressing yourself, it is impossible to be specific.
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I suspect you are over 50 years old? Swiss companies are very ageist. Why not move to Britain?

On a B permit with no job and no more RAV payments, you will soon be "asked to leave"
I am 39 years old. My wife has a good job here. So another country outer Switzerland is at the moment not an option. I didn't get any RAV payments before.

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Sorry, maybe a stupid question: you mentioned being out of work for 2 years and that you are here for 2 years.
Did you work before in Switzerland? Because my experience is that a lot of jobs are "sold" from word of mouth only. And if you do not have work experience in Switzerland it is extra difficult to find something (again my experience).
I have work experience in Germany but here no. I heard that too. If you did not work in Switzerland before to get a job in Switzerland is very hard. But we are talking here 24 months unemployment. It is far away outer from the description of "Extra difficult" or at least should be.

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Identify what the problem is that results in you not getting a job (and neither being invited for interviews).

Age? (Technical) qualifications? Ability to communicate? Unconvincing motivation shown at interviews? Salary expectations?

Generally I am getting as reason: "we found another candidate". I think I can not sell myself during interview. during Interview I feel myself very nervous and because of language barriers I speak very bad. I took few times to take some sedatives but it didn't help either. I reduced my salary expectations more than 20%.

Social support from the government - you will get it whenever you are eligible. That includes Taggeld (RAV). Everything is played by the rule book.

I know only I didn't work in Switzerland before and I am not an EU Citizen. I demanded some requests from RAV, (about to pay my IT certificates at (ITIL, etc) or professional resume support, etc they denied)

If you do not find employment with your current strategy, change strategy (change vocation, move to a different place, freelance instead of employment)

I am looking for a job in all of Switzerland. Freelance is a bit hard in my area.
All of this is very generic advice, but without you undressing yourself, it is impossible to be specific.
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Old 01.06.2015, 15:06
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Re: Long term unemployment

How many interviews out of how many applications? Look at changing the way your CV is presented, this worked for my OH a few years ago. He wasn't getting that many interviews despite his skills/experience in the field, but when he changed his CV presentation interview call ups increased and he did get a new position.
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How many interviews out of how many applications? Look at changing the way your CV is presented, this worked for my OH a few years ago. He wasn't getting that many interviews despite his skills/experience in the field, but when he changed his CV presentation interview call ups increased and he did get a new position.
more than 200 Applications, 9 interviews. I created my CV together with a paid Headhunter/Professional from Germany. I think my CV is pretty good.
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more than 200 Applications, 9 interviews. I created my CV together with a paid Headhunter/Professional from Germany. I think my CV is pretty good.
If you are in IT - my first ports of call would be Stamford and Swisslinx - go to their websites, send in your CV to a job they have, then call them up and ask to talk to them face to face.

There is a world of difference between a Swiss CV and a Stamford/Swisslinx CV. You may find it easier to get something through the latter then then former.
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If you are in IT - my first ports of call would be Stamford and Swisslinx - go to their websites, send in your CV to a job they have, then call them up and ask to talk to them face to face.

There is a world of difference between a Swiss CV and a Stamford/Swisslinx CV. You may find it easier to get something through the latter then then former.
I have already make a small face2face meeting with Stamford. (They never make a contact with me after that). I will try to contact with Swisslinx. Thanks
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more than 200 Applications, 9 interviews. I created my CV together with a paid Headhunter/Professional from Germany. I think my CV is pretty good.
The thing is, what you think of your CV is irrelevant - 9 interviews from 200 applications suggests the employers aren't so impressed, and no jobs suggests it is poorly targeted or your interview skills aren't good enough as you yourself mentioned.

Go through an agency - Swisslinx, Stamford, Nicoll Curtin are good; Hays and Adecco not good but still worth it for coverage and the opportunity to practice talking about your skills.

Take a short contract paying lower or at a lower level to get into the market.

Take the time to do a German course, or English even.

Try some of the big outsourcing names - Wipro, TCS, Swisscom, EPAM, Luxoft etc.

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Re: Long term unemployment

You mention that you are very nervous at an interview and have a language barrier.
Maybe that is something you can start concentrating on, practice to do interviews with your partner and whoever is available to take that edge away when you have a real interview? And also concentrate on your language skills, if you need sedatives to feel more comfortable, that could well impact your ability to speak well in another language.
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more than 200 Applications, 9 interviews. I created my CV together with a paid Headhunter/Professional from Germany. I think my CV is pretty good.
German CV isn't necessarily right for the Swiss market. What my OH used was a book and CD called "How to Write an Impressive CV & Cover Letter" by Tracey Whitmore. Aimed at the UK job seeker market, but it certainly did the trick for him. Took some pointers out of that and re-jigged his CV. Best £13 he ever spent.
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I have already make a small face2face meeting with Stamford. (They never make a contact with me after that). I will try to contact with Swisslinx. Thanks
Hope it goes well with Swisslinx, they are good. I really think you can do this. How about working for a startup for free for a few months? Use that as a get in. You like working for startups so much that you will work for free. No overheads, your wife works, a free creative spirit, etc, etc. Have a look at meetup.com, go to various geeky meetings to "network"
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Re: Long term unemployment

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Are your certs up to date?

Can you do some on-line exams.

You need to network, go to some meet-up etc.

Do an English version of your CV.

Have you got a Xing & LinkedIn profile, how often are you found in searches?
Have a look at the profile of people doing the job you want, how do you match up.
Only applying for jobs, doesen't work anymore.
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Sent you a PM. Good luck with your search.
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Re: Long term unemployment

9 interviews out of 200 applications seems extremely low, so something must be "off" with your CV/credentials. Can be lots of things, maybe whatever skills you have are not particularly sought after, or your language skills are not good enough (since you're neither fluent in English nor German, you'll have a hard time here), or it's a "technical" thing, i.e. the CV is not properly designed, or you're searching in the wrong places, geographically or industry-wise.

The CVs they use for Germany are NOT the same that Swiss companies like to see. Also prepare an English CV and have a Swiss "specialist" (I guess such a thing exists somewhere) look at it.

Brush up your language skills, urgently. Ideally both languages, but at the very least one of them.

Is your specialty still sought after here at all? Are your credentials up-to-date?

Where have you searched so far? Only around where you live? Or everywhere in Switzerland?

Does your B permit allow you to work or is it just a residence permit? If the former, is it clearly indicated on your CV that you have a valid (so I assume) work and residence permit?
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Hope it goes well with Swisslinx, they are good. I really think you can do this. How about working for a startup for free for a few months? Use that as a get in. You like working for startups so much that you will work for free. No overheads, your wife works, a free creative spirit, etc, etc. Have a look at meetup.com, go to various geeky meetings to "network"
If I find a good job (if improve my IT skills or bring some new experiences, yes I am in for a 1-3 months). It would be good.

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Are your certs up to date?

Can you do some on-line exams.

You need to network, go to some meet-up etc.

Do an English version of your CV.

Have you got a Xing & LinkedIn profile, how often are you found in searches?
Have a look at the profile of people doing the job you want, how do you match up.
Only applying for jobs, doesn't work anymore.
my certs are not anymore up to date but I will planning to do ITIL asap.
I participated many times these kinds of meetings. (German stammtisch, Bitcoin, Game developers, etc) I knew some nice people there. Some of them tried to help me but I didn't get any result.
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Sent you a PM. Good luck with your search.
I will reply you. Many thanks for nice help offer.

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9 interviews out of 200 applications seems extremely low, so something must be "off" with your CV/credentials. Can be lots of things, maybe whatever skills you have are not particularly sought after, or your language skills are not good enough (since you're neither fluent in English nor German, you'll have a hard time here), or it's a "technical" thing, i.e. the CV is not properly designed, or you're searching in the wrong places, geographically or industry-wise.

I checked again and again my CV with different Swiss Business Agencies and RAV. They offered me to prepare a skill matrix. I created it. Outer this they commented my CV as very good.

The CVs they use for Germany are NOT the same that Swiss companies like to see. Also prepare an English CV and have a Swiss "specialist" (I guess such a thing exists somewhere) look at it.

I did it already ("Swiss Specialist"). I have a English CV too

Brush up your language skills, urgently. Ideally both languages, but at the very least one of them.

For both languages I am at B2 level which in mostly conditions enough to work. (imo)

Is your specialty still sought after here at all? Are your credentials up-to-date?

Almost yes...

Where have you searched so far? Only around where you live? Or everywhere in Switzerland?

Everywhere in Switzerland


Does your B permit allow you to work or is it just a residence permit? If the former, is it clearly indicated on your CV that you have a valid (so I assume) work and residence permit?
Both of them.
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Re: Long term unemployment

I can only imagine then that the market in the sector you are applying to is flooded with job hunters & you should apply to find a job doing something else.
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