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Advice please! :) [Swiss citizen, maybe returning to CH]

Hi all,

I知 hoping someone here can give me some advice on moving to Switzerland and finding work, I have a very long confusing situation!

I知 an Australian/Swiss dual national, but I have lived in Australia my entire life. My German skills aren稚 the greatest but I do realise it is important to know at least one of the official Swiss languages especially when looking for work. I have always wanted to live in Switzerland and I would like to move over with my partner in 2018. I知 26 and my partner is 31.

I知 currently a student at university studying a Bachelor of Human Nutrition (health sciences). I知 not sure what sort of work I could find in Switzerland with a nutrition degree, I have looked into a few companies like Nestle etc. but does anyone else have any ideas? I知 hoping to do a graduate round with a government department for a year here in Australia in 2017 to gain more experience (hopefully in a health/food regulation area).

My other option is to stay at university and do a masters degree in dietetics. The only problem with that is that I won稚 have much work experience apart from placement during my degree, and I wouldn稚 be able to move overseas until 2019.

As for my partner, he is a dual Australian/Norwegian citizen. He studied business at university and he also has a masters degree. He spent the majority of life moving around the world because his father was a diplomat. He grew up in the Netherlands and has also lived in Norway. He has been working for the government in Australia for the last few years. Does anyone have any tips for him finding work in Switzerland?

Sorry for this huge post, I just wanted to make our situation as clear as possible. I know 2018 is fairly far away, but I know how tricky it can be to move to Switzerland and find work.

Thanks!
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Re: Advice please! :)

Moving here ought not to be a problem since you don't need a permit, if you are married or you are in a registered partnership then your partner should obtain a permit also, Norwegian passport holders do not require a visa of any sort and are handled by and large on the same level as citizens from EU countries as far as permits and access to work here. I don't see that part as being tricky.

What could be the issue is finding work which is connected also to the issue of where you live. You may wish to concentrate your job search to one city or region and thereby also look for a property to live in, in the same region.

Would it be possible for instance to improve your language skills before you come by attending classes or a course in German and/or French for example? The more you can pack onto your CV normally in that respect the better your chances of finding work here.

If you are moving to the German speaking region, Bern, Zurich, Lucerne etc. then German is almost certainly going to vital to your job.

You will find a lot of job adverts look for candidates aged up to 30, some up to 35, less adverts specify up to 40 or beyond. The sooner you arrive the better.
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Re: Advice please! :)

Keep an eye on the job market for you and your partner's skillsets
Plan ahead, get all your education and whatever experience you can before coming if time permits
Being Swiss you will probably not have as much problem finding work as others, but be prepared for a competitive environment. Masters would definitely help. Food companies would be a good start to consider.
Get your German up to a certain level, it will help.
I have lived in Switzerland with only moderate German, am dual Australian / Swiss, and have been employed for most of that time. But it took some planning in regards to experience and education before arriving. Good luck.
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Swap... You can have my jobs... I'd move to Australia in a heart beat!
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Re: Advice please! :)

Thanks for the replies, I really appreciate it! It's great to see another Swiss/Australian on here

I'd like to live in Zurich or nearby so I'll definitely try to have German lessons! I'm thinking I'd have to be at B2 level.

That's surprising about the ages in job adverts, perhaps I will just stick to a bachelor degree before we get too old! :P

I'm just a bit worried about my partner. He speaks English, Norwegian and knows a bit of Dutch. Maybe he will have to learn German as well!

I'm really glad I found this forum, thanks again everyone!
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Re: Advice please! :)

Bear in mind that the Swiss voted last year to curb immigration from the EU. How that's going to be done is still being worked out, but may be coming into force in the next couple of years. This may or may not affect your partner being Norwegian so keep an eye on what's happening regarding this.

Learning German will help him obviously so get started on that. You will also need a good level of language skills.

I would not stick with just a Bachelors as most employers will want to see a Masters on your CV.

Work-wise for you also contact the hospitals/private clinics. And also for both of you have a look at these websites:

www.jobs.ch
www.jobup.ch
www.monster.co.uk (change the location setting to Switzerland. It can be stubborn about changing sometimes to keep trying)

This may help you a bit to get ready for your return:

https://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/fdfa...itzerland.html

Also get hold of a copy of "Living and Working In Switzerland" by David Hampshire. It's full of useful info for both before and after you move. You can order it from your local bookshop or via the Internet.

However, do be aware that many returning Swiss find it extremely difficult to adapt here, often finding they're not really seen as Swiss despite their nationality. If you've never been here before I suggest a holiday of a few weeks if possible first so you can get a feel for the place to see if it's actually going to be what you think it might be. There's no point in making a major change to your lives if you subsequently find that it isn't really what you expect after all.
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Re: Advice please! :)

If you have sufficient funds, you could consider coming here to study for your Master's degree. Although most bachelor programs are taught in German, many Master's degree courses are taught in English - so that would be a bonus. You could also get a sense of how you like life here, work on your German, etc.
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Re: Advice please! :) [Swiss citizen, maybe returning to CH]

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Bear in mind that the Swiss voted last year to curb immigration from the EU. How that's going to be done is still being worked out, but may be coming into force in the next couple of years. This may or may not affect your partner being Norwegian so keep an eye on what's happening regarding this.

Learning German will help him obviously so get started on that. You will also need a good level of language skills.

I would not stick with just a Bachelors as most employers will want to see a Masters on your CV.

Work-wise for you also contact the hospitals/private clinics. And also for both of you have a look at these websites:

www.jobs.ch
www.jobup.ch
www.monster.co.uk (change the location setting to Switzerland. It can be stubborn about changing sometimes to keep trying)

This may help you a bit to get ready for your return:

https://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/fdfa...itzerland.html

Also get hold of a copy of "Living and Working In Switzerland" by David Hampshire. It's full of useful info for both before and after you move. You can order it from your local bookshop or via the Internet.

However, do be aware that many returning Swiss find it extremely difficult to adapt here, often finding they're not really seen as Swiss despite their nationality. If you've never been here before I suggest a holiday of a few weeks if possible first so you can get a feel for the place to see if it's actually going to be what you think it might be. There's no point in making a major change to your lives if you subsequently find that it isn't really what you expect after all.
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If you have sufficient funds, you could consider coming here to study for your Master's degree. Although most bachelor programs are taught in German, many Master's degree courses are taught in English - so that would be a bonus. You could also get a sense of how you like life here, work on your German, etc.
I have heard about the immigration situation, I guess we'll have to wait and see. Thanks for the tip!

I'll have a look for some masters programs in English in Switzerland and see what I can find. I know there can be issues getting some degrees recognised in Switzerland from other countries so maybe that's the way to go.

I have been to Switzerland before, I loved it! My sister lived in Uster for three and a half years with her partner but they've recently come back to Australia so she can do a bachelor degree. They're definitely going back to Switzerland once she has finished so we can stay with them for a while if need be. I'll search for the book you recommend!

Thanks everyone
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Re: Advice please! :) [Swiss citizen, maybe returning to CH]

As a Swiss/American I can totally understand your situation. I also grew up abroad and always wanted to come back to Switzerland (spent my first 7 years here). I can share my experience.

I started searching for a job in Switzerland while I was still in the US...no luck. In 2013, similar to you, I had just finished my Bachelor's degree, and an internship with no permanent future. I decided then that I had enough money saved and wanted to try my luck in Switzerland. I figured the worst that happens is I end up returning to the States, but at least I had a nice long vacation. Luckily after 6 months (ok...sometimes I was a little lazy) I landed myself a job.

From my experience, I think it is worth it to move here before having a job (though I didn't have a partner in tow). Unless you are working in a big corporation and are able to get a transfer, I think many HR would rather hire someone who is already in Switzerland. Since Norway is like Switzerland, not EU but part of the Schengen Treaty your partner is able to stay in Switzerland for 90 days without a permit.

I also think getting a Masters in Switzerland is a great idea if you are able to afford it.

I would take it one step at a time though and not uproot your whole life in Australia. I left most of my things in the States and brought only the bare minimum (thanks Mom and Dad for storing my shit ). Now each time I go back I bring a few more things to Switzerland, or maybe I will finally contact a relocation company to ship the rest of my things....ha ha.
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I know you're Swiss... but does it have to be Switzerland? You have the whole of Europe at your feet if you don't find a job in Switzerland, and some of those countries speak English
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Re: Advice please! :) [Swiss citizen, maybe returning to CH]

It is a competitive job market, but which place isnt when you are a new comer? It will take some time but eventually you will find it and like somebody else already said, if it is not Switzerland then it will be elsewhere in Europe....shouldnt worry too much! Good Luck...
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Re: Advice please! :) [Swiss citizen, maybe returning to CH]

Oh wow Zuki thanks for the story! You're so lucky you found work I think I'm on the wrong career path to find work in Switzerland, but at least my partner did international business majoring in economics so he *may* have a chance! I think that's true about HR wanting to hire people who are already in the country. If I can't find anything before hand I guess I'll do something similar to what you did and hope for the best! I still need to look into how much money I will need to save, but I know it will be a LOT. That's why I'm looking into it now, a couple of years early!

I've also had a quick look at masters programs in Switzerland but I haven't come across dietetics as of yet. I've found some in food science and health sciences and technology which are interesting too. I'll keep looking

Oh and yes Island Monkey, I would prefer Switzerland of course. I have just always wanted to go and live there. Apart from learning the language I just feel like I have that connection there and a lot of family history! Also my sister will be there so it will be nice to have some immediate family close by! Although, if we didn't go to Switzerland, we would probably end up in Norway!

Thanks everyone!
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I don't think immigration curbing is an issue here, certainly not for OP as s/he's swiss - you have the unconditional right to come and stay whenever you please, for however long you want.

If the two were married, wouldn't OH have the right to also immigrate (Familiennachzug), regardless of their financial situation? I think yes, but I'm not entirely sure.
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