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Just out of interest, do you speak German or only English?

Regardless of language, th problem is that once you get on the bad side of your RAV advisor, they have a lot of power to start messing with you, so always be super sweet and polite and if yo urefuse anything then at least try and support it with a constructive counter-argument. Ask for an intensive language course perhaps that will take a good portion of your week and allow you to better integrate and find German-speaking work?
German, Italian, english and Spanish... I have worked in reception the last 4 years... so I dont thats a problem at all...
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Yep,... actually I had one this week and another one last week... very optimistic about the last one.. no doubt Im doing a great effort.. and about paying ... yep.. I have paid the last 4 years too.. thanks anyway
Dude you are thick... but anyway: if your interviews for "real" jobs happen to be on the same time as your shit job will the RAV not make you go there.

I don't care how long you paid in RAV, it's not a savings account. Right now do the other Swiss employees pay for your payment and they deserve that money is only spend by people who are genuine.
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German, Italian, english and Spanish... I have worked in reception the last 4 years... so I dont thats a problem at all...
Then I'm quite surprised you can't find at least a basic admin/reception job, with fluency in so many major languages and 4 years work experience. Are you also looking in Basel and Zurich for jobs, or only the Luzern area?

Anyway good luck with it and I would advise calming down and acting more rational, because no-one is going to listen to you, even when you have a good point, if you swear and rant like a 15 year old teenager.

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Then I'm quite surprised you can't find at least a basic admin/reception job, with fluency in so many major languages and 4 years work experience.

Anyway good luck with it and I would advise calming down and acting more rational and mature, because no-one is going to listen to you, even when you have a good point, if you swear and rant like a 15 year old teenager.
Yep.. I know that Im acting like a child.. but I havent been unemployed for 2 months and Im getting crazy... and when I am looking for a full time job.. and this rav offers me this joke... could you understand that you feel like shit?? As you said... I was fired in the middle of the season.. so its not easy to find a job for the summer season anymore... thats why Im focused in winter season for ganzjährig Position... thanks so much anyway for your support.. but its being hard for me.. I am just here to work.. but not working in a place where I have no idea what to do.. look like ridicolous ... thats my point of view.. thanks again.. and yep.. the lasts interviews they were st. moritz and zermatt.. so.. I guess there is no doubt about my effort looking for a job...
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Yep.. I know that Im acting like a child.. but I havent been unemployed for 2 months and Im getting crazy... and when I am looking for a full time job.. and this rav offers me this joke... could you understand that you feel like shit?? As you said... I was fired in the middle of the season.. so its not easy to find a job for the summer season anymore... thats why Im focused in winter season for ganzjährig Position... thanks so much anyway for your support.. but its being hard for me.. I am just here to work.. but not working in a place where I have no idea what to do.. look like ridicolous ... thats my point of view.. thanks again.. and yep.. the lasts interviews they were st. moritz and zermatt.. so.. I guess there is no doubt about my effort looking for a job...
2 months is nothing compared to many people who have been unemployed for a year or longer.... so while I understand it is not the work you are looking for, I do not agree with the way you are behaving and dealing with it (at least from what you are posting here). Not only are you giving us a bad impression, but you are very likely giving your RAV counsellor a bad impression too, and that is not in any way constructive towards you getting the support you need to find work that you like.

This probably won't be the first or last time in your life that you encounter unpleasant situations, and it is how you deal with them that will influence the outcome. 2 months is still very early into your RAV allowance, and if you feel bad now and react this way then just imagine what it would be like 12 months from now! Calm down and be a little more rational and positive and maybe you will start to influence things for the better, you could even advertise in the jobs section of this forum to see if anyone has any temporary work... if your writing doesn't put them off!

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2 months is nothing compared to many people who have been unemployed for a year or longer.... so while I understand it is not the work you are looking for, I do not agree with the way you are behaving and dealing with it (at least from what you are posting here). Not only are you giving us a bad impression, but you are very likely giving your RAV counsellor a bad impression too, and that is not in any way constructive towards you getting the support you need to find work that you like.

I don't know what your age is, but I would suggest it is time to mature a little and learn some diplomacy skills. this will not be the first or last time in your life that you encounter unpleasant situations, and it is how you deal with them that will influence the outcome. 2 months is still very early into your RAV allowance, and if you feel bad now and react this way then just imagine what it would be like 12 months from now! Calm down and be a little more rational and positive and maybe you will start to influence things for the better, you could even advertise in the jobs section of this forum to see if anyone has any temporary work... if your writing doesn't put them off!
Yeah .. you are absolutely right... Im not dealing like that with rav.. its just I was the last month inside a room.. just sending cvs... thinking about I was laid off without any reason .... and Im getting depressive.. I only can be here if I am working.. thats not a country I chose because I wanted.. it was just the situation of my country what brang me here.. no family.. no work.. thats all... thanks but its just how bad I feel why Im acting like that...
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Yeah .. you are absolutely right... Im not dealing like that with rav.. its just I was the last month inside a room.. just sending cvs... thinking about I was laid off without any reason .... and Im getting depressive.. I only can be here if I am working.. thats not a country I chose because I wanted.. it was just the situation of my country what brang me here.. no family.. no work.. thats all... thanks but its just how bad I feel why Im acting like that...
Then is it maybe a good time to go home to your family and see if you can find a job there where maybe you will be happier and have their support? I don't know where you are from (guessing Spain or Italy) but there is more to life than staying in a country you have no love for and that makes you unhappy, even if the salaries are very good.
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Then is it maybe a good time to go home to your family and see if you can find a job there where maybe you will be happier and have their support? I don't know where you are from (guessing Spain or Italy) but there is more to life than staying in a country you have no love for and that makes you unhappy, even if the salaries are very good.
Thats the point... the salaries.. the only one...but maybe you are right ... If I could go at least one week and disconnect .. maybe I will recharge batteries again.. but I have to wait one month yet to be allowed going out of the country... Really appreciate your words... and sure I am going to think about.. cause no one deserves to be like that.. just for money... thanks!!!!
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Good morning , yesterday I have my second meeting with the rav. The person I have talked offered me a 2 or 4 hours weekly job :O . Then I have told to her thats not what I am looking for ( I am looking for at least a 50% time job). I explain her that I wouldnt like to move 2 hours both ways for this sh**** job. She has told me that I have to take it. I am looking for a job like Portier or Allrounder (wich includes reception, inkasso, cleaning etc... ) and this job its more a joke... just cleaning and doing some sh**** stuff). What should I do? Can I refuse? She insisted that I have to try cause shes a friend of her and she needs help... Really I am beginning to think that this rav and unia sucks! I went to an interview for a Winter job in Zermatt... and she seemed really interested hiring me but when I told this woman in rav.. she told me that anyways it was for december and I should take this kind of joke job while I am looking for another job. Please I need help... I am thinking leaving switzerland seriously cause I am absolutely f*** up with all this kind of things. Thanks so much in advance.
If I were you I would request a new RAV advisor, the job sounds like nonsense and the fact that she's made it personal puts the whole situation into question.
Fortunately I've never been on RAV, but having spoken to friends and colleague who have, the difference between a good and bad advisor is like the difference between Night and Day.

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If I were you I would request a new RAV advisor, the job sounds like nonsense and the fact that she's made it personal puts the whole situation into question.
Fortunately I've never been on RAV, but having spoken to friends and colleague who have, the difference between a good and bad advisor is like the difference between Night and Day.

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The advisor I am talking with... she is really kind.. I even helped him with some problems with her handy.... the fact is Im sure she wants I go there just cause nobody wants waste time and money to do this job... and I am a kind person that always says yep to everything.. today I lost control.. but Im not like that.. I hope I dont like her... thats the only way I can deal with this situation.. thanks for your help....really appreciate !
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Thats the point... the salaries.. the only one...but maybe you are right ... If I could go at least one week and disconnect .. maybe I will recharge batteries again.. but I have to wait one month yet to be allowed going out of the country... Really appreciate your words... and sure I am going to think about.. cause no one deserves to be like that.. just for money... thanks!!!!
You can still go home for a weekend whenever you want, how would they know? Your mental and physical health are the most important things in this world, so go home and see your family and I'm sure you'll feel better.
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You can still go home for a weekend whenever you want, how would they know? Your mental and physical health are the most important things in this world, so go home and see your family and I'm sure you'll feel better.
Really.... thanks a lot .. I would like to invite you a beer... cola.. whatever If I could.. thanks for all your advices.. and Sure I am going to visit my parents at least two days .. I need it.. I dont know how to say thanks... but you open my eyes with your kindness and your words... big hug!!
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Okay, first of all, well done for having managed to calm down.
Your original post, and many of your following posts, were – as others have said – really unpleasant, and raving like is seldom the best way to make other people (not those on the forum, nor those at the RAV, nor others in real life) WANT to help you.


I think that what stings, when one has a qualification, had a good job, and then is suddenly unemployed, is partly the humiliation of having been fired, and partly the fear of not being able to find another job, and get back on the level (financially, and status) that one was used to having. And a part is feeling out of control, because others are deciding about your life: first the employer who dismissed you, then any potential employer who can simply say “no”, and of course the RAV officer who is telling you what you have to do.


It is good to take steps towards feeling back in control of your own life. No doubt about it: being unemployed means getting poorer. You will probably cope better with this, emotionally, if you review your budget immediately, and try to cut down on your expenses as far as possible. Be especially careful of impulse spending with the rationalisation of “oh, I just need this to feel better”. If you know that you have got your finances sorted out, you will feel more in control of your own destiny. Reducing your expenditure is one of the ways that can help with this.


Yes, I understand that travelling for a long way, for any job, can be really tiring. As far as I understand it, from the RAV’s legal position, a commute 2 hours in one direction is regarded as “zumutbar”, i.e. as not unreasonable. I doubt anyone feels that 2 hours is nice, but that’s the system here. It just is.
In the same way, the RAV can require one to do a job for which one is overqualified or not qualified. If they know of the job, and offer it it to you, it is generally expected that you take it. That’s very disheartening when the job feels stupid. Yes. But that, too, is just the way the system is here.
One of the ways to avoid having to do this is to find some other silly job closer to home, or to beg for some new training, or (f you can afford it) to book and pay for a course your self (one of which the RAV officer approves... that's essential) which happens at the same time as the silly job you don't want.


You do not have to obey everything the RAV officer says.
You are probably free to leave the country and go “home”, wherever that is. Of course, if you leave permanently you will lose your RAV insurance benefits and your permit.
If you stay, you can also choose to deregister from the RAV and to live on your savings. This is possible, I guess, for as long as your permit is valid. If you do not have another job, you will be unlikely to get an extension of your current permit to be in Switzerland.


However, if you choose to stay with the RAV, then it is essential that you find out all that is required of you, and document every step you take. If you are told that you have to apply for 20 jobs a month (some officers say 10, some say 50, I think it varies regionally, too) then make absolutely sure you apply for all 20. If you want to get the full unemployment money, you have to obey the full instructions. Or to negotiate very, very, very politely, with good reasons, about anything you would like changed. And then get it in writing, from the RAV officer, that you are allowed to follow your new idea.


Keep a RAV / job-seeking file with
1. a list of the instructions given to you by the officer or Agreements made with him /her. Write down – ideally in front of her/him, while you are still seated in her/his office – what you have been told to do. Something like this: “Please, I just want to be quite sure what I need to do, and I’m going to write it down here. This page then goes into the file I keep for everything about RAV and looking for work. So today is Thursday 13th, and you said I must come back and see you on next Wednesday, that's the 19th, at 9h. And in the week from now till then, I must make job applications… how many did you say, please? Oh, I see, 15. Yes, I've written that down. That’ll keep me busy. Yes, I’ll do my best to do that. I really hope I find work.” And write down everything she/he says on your block, with the date and time, right then.


2. your open To Do list / plans for further people you are still going to contact


3. copies of the forms you have to fill out for the RAV. NEVER give the RAV (or any other government department, ever) anything of which you do not have a copy in your file.


4. a print-out of every job ad you saw online, and cut out every job ad you saw in the newspaper or on any notice-board


5. a print-out of your application to every job, if you sent it electronically, otherwise a photocopy of what you sent off


6. a detailed note of every phonecall you made to try to find work (name of company, name of first person who answered the call, and names of all the people to whom you were connected, rank of the person you finally spoke to, date and time, what they told you).


Take this file along to every new appointment at the RAV, so you can demonstrate all the steps you've taken to try to find work. These are called "Arbeitsbemühungen" in German.


You know, for the most part, the RAV officers have a depressing and strenuous job. Just about everyone who arrives at their desks is, like you, angry or frustrated or depressed about having lost their job. And some others are lazy and trying to find ways to exploit the system. And the RAV officers are supposed to try to sort out which are which. They are supposed to encourage those who truly want to find work, and to penalise those who do not. And this all in a very difficult emotionally charged situation. Sometimes they can see the human tragedies unfolding before their eyes, but the rules and laws allow them to do only so much, even when they are the good kind, who would like to help. Others of them just don’t care any longer, if they ever did.


Your task is to prove to your RAV officer (and perhaps to yourself, too… although that’s just a guess, on my part, and I may be wrong since I don't know you) that you are strong and hardworking enough to take on ANY challenge. I understand fully that you do not want to go and be a cleaner some place far away. However, I’d like to try to show you that there can be benefits in doing so.


Just as an exercise, perhaps this fantasy idea could help you.
If you enjoy travelling, imagine you had enough money to be on the road, travelling around the world, for a whole year. You planned the journey, you did your research, you got your visas correctly, you bought a good backpack and you are, in that sense “qualified” for the wonderful year-long round-the-world travelling experience. You leave home, enjoy the first country, move on to the second country, and you are loving every minute of it. Things are going wonderfully. Suddenly, someone steals all your money. The only thing you have left is your ticket home. That would be really awful! Now, if someone offered you a chance to earn just a little bit of money, so you could have a roof over your head, and food… perhaps, then, you really would be prepared to clean the kitchen and even the toilets in some lousy restaurant.


In the case of doing such a job while you are living in Switzerland and at the RAV, you get much more than just a roof and food. Because the RAV tops up your unemployment benefits way beyond what you would get if you had only that cleaning job.


And in that restaurant, if you work there doing your very best, you may impress someone. Even if you're "only" the cleaner, be attentive and see whether the waitresses and waiters are overworked and understaffed. Maybe you could clean up and help them out. Maybe you could speak to the customers. Try to speak all your languages to as many people as possible. Maybe the manager of the restaurant (or one of the guests who eats there often) knows someone (his cousin) who knows someone who has a much bigger restaurant which needs a receptionist. Maybe someone there knows how to get you a job in a hotel. A lot of employment, especially in a small country like Switzerland, is found by connections and networking (called "Vitamin B" in German, meaning B for Beziehungen, which means connections).


I hope at least some of these ideas help you.

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Okay, first of all, well done for having managed to calm down.
Your original post, and many of your following posts, were – as others have said – really unpleasant, and raving like is seldom the best way to make other people (not those on the forum, nor those at the RAV, nor others in real life) WANT to help you.


I think that what stings, when one has a qualification, had a good job, and then is suddenly unemployed, is partly the humiliation of having been fired, and partly the fear of not being able to find another job, and get back on the level (financially, and status) that one was used to having. And a part is feeling out of control, because others are deciding about your life: first the employer who dismissed you, then any potential employer who can simply say “no”, and of course the RAV officer who is telling you what you have to do.


It is good to take steps towards feeling back in control of your own life. No doubt about it: being unemployed means getting poorer. You will probably cope better with this, emotionally, if you review your budget immediately, and try to cut down on your expenses as far as possible. Be especially careful of impulse spending with the rationalisation of “oh, I just need this to feel better”. If you know that you have got your finances sorted out, you will feel more in control of your own destiny. Reducing your expenditure is one of the ways that can help with this.


Yes, I understand that travelling for a long way, for any job, can be really tiring. As far as I understand it, from the RAV’s legal position, a commute 2 hours in one direction is regarded as “zumutbar”, i.e. as not unreasonable. I doubt anyone feels that 2 hours is nice, but that’s the system here. It just is.
In the same way, the RAV can require one to do a job for which one is overqualified or not qualified. If they know of the job, and offer it it to you, it is generally expected that you take it. That’s very disheartening when the job feels stupid. Yes. But that, too, is just the way the system is here.
One of the ways to avoid having to do this is to find some other silly job closer to home, or to beg for some new training, or (f you can afford it) to book and pay for a course your self (one of which the RAV officer approves... that's essential) which happens at the same time as the silly job you don't want.


You do not have to obey everything the RAV officer says.
You are probably free to leave the country and go “home”, wherever that is. Of course, if you leave permanently you will lose your RAV insurance benefits and your permit.
If you stay, you can also choose to deregister from the RAV and to live on your savings. This is possible, I guess, for as long as your permit is valid. If you do not have another job, you will be unlikely to get an extension of your current permit to be in Switzerland.


However, if you choose to stay with the RAV, then it is essential that you find out all that is required of you, and document every step you take. If you are told that you have to apply for 20 jobs a month (some officers say 10, some say 50, I think it varies regionally, too) then make absolutely sure you apply for all 20. If you want to get the full unemployment money, you have to obey the full instructions. Or to negotiate very, very, very politely, with good reasons, about anything you would like changed. And then get it in writing, from the RAV officer, that you are allowed to follow your new idea.


Keep a RAV / job-seeking file with
1. a list of the instructions given to you by the officer or Agreements made with him /her. Write down – ideally in front of her/him, while you are still seated in her/his office – what you have been told to do. Something like this: “Please, I just want to be quite sure what I need to do, and I’m going to write it down here. This page then goes into the file I keep for everything about RAV and looking for work. So today is Thursday 13th, and you said I must come back and see you on next Wednesday, that's the 19th, at 9h. And in the week from now till then, I must make job applications… how many did you say, please? Oh, I see, 15. Yes, I've written that down. That’ll keep me busy. Yes, I’ll do my best to do that. I really hope I find work.” And write down everything she/he says on your block, with the date and time, right then.


2. your open To Do list / plans for further people you are still going to contact


3. copies of the forms you have to fill out for the RAV. NEVER give the RAV (or any other government department, ever) anything of which you do not have a copy in your file.


4. a print-out of every job ad you saw online, and cut out every job ad you saw in the newspaper or on any notice-board


5. a print-out of your application to every job, if you sent it electronically, otherwise a photocopy of what you sent off


6. a detailed note of every phonecall you made to try to find work (name of company, name of first person who answered the call, and names of all the people to whom you were connected, rank of the person you finally spoke to, date and time, what they told you).


Take this file along to every new appointment at the RAV, so you can demonstrate all the steps you've taken to try to find work. These are called "Arbeitsbemühungen" in German.


You know, for the most part, the RAV officers have a depressing and strenuous job. Just about everyone who arrives at their desks is, like you, angry or frustrated or depressed about having lost their job. And some others are lazy and trying to find ways to exploit the system. And the RAV officers are supposed to try to sort out which are which. They are supposed to encourage those who truly want to find work, and to penalise those who do not. And this all in a very difficult emotionally charged situation. Sometimes they can see the human tragedies unfolding before their eyes, but the rules and laws allow them to do only so much, even when they are the good kind, who would like to help. Others of them just don’t care any longer, if they ever did.


Your task is to prove to your RAV officer (and perhaps to yourself, too… although that’s just a guess, on my part, and I may be wrong since I don't know you) that you are strong and hardworking enough to take on ANY challenge. I understand fully that you do not want to go and be a cleaner some place far away. However, I’d like to try to show you that there can be benefits in doing so.


Just as an exercise, perhaps this fantasy idea could help you.
If you enjoy travelling, imagine you had enough money to be on the road, travelling around the world, for a whole year. You planned the journey, you did your research, you got your visas correctly, you bought a good backpack and you are, in that sense “qualified” for the wonderful year-long round-the-world travelling experience. You leave home, enjoy the first country, move on to the second country, and you are loving every minute of it. Things are going wonderfully. Suddenly, someone steals all your money. The only thing you have left is your ticket home. That would be really awful! Now, if someone offered you a chance to earn just a little bit of money, so you could have a roof over your head, and food… perhaps, then, you really would be prepared to clean the kitchen and even the toilets in some lousy restaurant.


In the case of doing such a job while you are living in Switzerland and at the RAV, you get much more than just a roof and food. Because the RAV tops up your unemployment benefits way beyond what you would get if you had only that cleaning job.


And in that restaurant, if you work there doing your very best, you may impress someone. Even if you're "only" the cleaner, be attentive and see whether the waitresses and waiters are overworked and understaffed. Maybe you could clean up and help them out. Maybe you could speak to the customers. Try to speak all your languages to as many people as possible. Maybe the manager of the restaurant (or one of the guests who eats there often) knows someone (his cousin) who knows someone who has a much bigger restaurant which needs a receptionist. Maybe someone there knows how to get you a job in a hotel. A lot of employment, especially in a small country like Switzerland, is found by connections and networking (called "Vitamin B" in German, meaning B for Beziehungen, which means connections).


I hope at least some of these ideas help you.
Your making things very complicated, all RAV appointments will be in writing even if made during the meeting, you will look a complete twit if you have to ask for confirmation of the date

Only keep copies of jobs you APPLiED for, just seeing a job application won't help.

Wasting time documenting every phone call is nonsense, you are required to apply for about 10 jobs a month just do what is needed.
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Thanks a lot.. how many days should be the penalty? I am sure I could survive if

they only deduct 10 or 15 days...
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Thats the point... and I am sure thats what it is... just forcing to me to take this shit cause some people in this country think that we are their slaves...
No one's forcing you - don't take it and don't get paid by the unemployment insurance, that's how easy it is. You don't get money thrown after you, and rightly so.

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just think of it as extra motivation to get a job.

you could just also refuse and stop taking RAV money and look for job separately and support yourself during this time.
You could also just take on the job you're given by them and at the same time hunt for a "better" job, then take the better job when you get it.

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Yep... I am motivated enough... thats a fact... but not for this shit... I am waiting for an answer cause I had an interview on monday... Yesterday I received a mail asking what did this job look like to me.. and when I could start ( winter job) ... so even when its not done.. Im 100% optimistic. If she hires me... sure I am taking holidays... and this rav can make bussiness with others.. but sure not with me!! Thanks for your kindness.
You are too impatient, things take time.

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The advisor I am talking with... she is really kind.. I even helped him with some problems with her handy.... the fact is Im sure she wants I go there just cause nobody wants waste time and money to do this job... and I am a kind person that always says yep to everything.. today I lost control.. but Im not like that.. I hope I dont like her... thats the only way I can deal with this situation.. thanks for your help....really appreciate !
That's bullshit.

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Re: Rav obbey me to work 2 or 4 hours a week

Amused a little by the hypocrisy in this thread. While the OP does not have much motivation to make something good out of a bad situation, just how many of the critics are posting their opinion during paid work hours?
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Ok, Slammer is reallllllly trying to stay calm here, deep breath and all that… The others know where it's coming from..!
For one: Two months, you are not even allowed to bitch..
Then the best way to think of this, because this really is the deal, the RAV is your employer, period!
The RAV drone is your boss, you do as he or she tells you, or if not, like in any other company you will be sanctioned.
That's it in a nutshell, if you can't deal with it, resign, aka look for another country.
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Amused a little by the hypocrisy in this thread. While the OP does not have much motivation to make something good out of a bad situation, just how many of the critics are posting their opinion during paid work hours?
Sure, some folks might be posting during work hours but that doesn't mean they don't like their jobs or don't do their jobs properly. There are also at least 2 retirees on this thread as well.

OP says the adviser is kind, so perhaps appealing to that kindness with reasoned arguments will work. I'd like to believe any reasonable person would understand it's not appropriate to ask someone to commute for longer than they work per day.

However if OP approaches the adviser with the same attitude as displayed here, I don't have much hope for a good outcome.
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Good morning , yesterday I have my second meeting with the rav. The person I have talked offered me a 2 or 4 hours weekly job :O . Then I have told to her thats not what I am looking for ( I am looking for at least a 50% time job). I explain her that I wouldnt like to move 2 hours both ways for this sh**** job. She has told me that I have to take it. I am looking for a job like Portier or Allrounder (wich includes reception, inkasso, cleaning etc... ) and this job its more a joke... just cleaning and doing some sh**** stuff). What should I do? Can I refuse? She insisted that I have to try cause shes a friend of her and she needs help... Really I am beginning to think that this rav and unia sucks! I went to an interview for a Winter job in Zermatt... and she seemed really interested hiring me but when I told this woman in rav.. she told me that anyways it was for december and I should take this kind of joke job while I am looking for another job. Please I need help... I am thinking leaving switzerland seriously cause I am absolutely f*** up with all this kind of things. Thanks so much in advance.
I think that, sadly, you don't see the good part of this situation. It might be a shitty job but it will actually help you have a routine and a purpose, keep you motivated to look for something more appropriate.
When I was unemployed I used to wake up at 6 am every morning, prepare breakfast and stuff and drive my OH to his working place. He thought that I should sleep and shouldn't bother etc, but it would have been a big mistake.
My point is - sometimes even the most humble jobs can really save you. There's nothing to be ashamed of if you accept their offer.

P.S. Didn't read the rest of the posts; some might be very judgemental. Take care...
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Maybe you should ask why you were fired in mid season, if it was because of a downturn in hotel business due to Euro/CHf rate, then you're best of taking whatever you can get now as it is tough for hotel business, very tough at present.

Maybe, with some of your comments on this thread, it was because of another reason though....

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