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Good morning , yesterday I have my second meeting with the rav. The person I have talked offered me a 2 or 4 hours weekly job :O . Then I have told to her thats not what I am looking for ( I am looking for at least a 50% time job). I explain her that I wouldnt like to move 2 hours both ways for this sh**** job. She has told me that I have to take it. I am looking for a job like Portier or Allrounder (wich includes reception, inkasso, cleaning etc... ) and this job its more a joke... just cleaning and doing some sh**** stuff). What should I do? Can I refuse? She insisted that I have to try cause shes a friend of her and she needs help... Really I am beginning to think that this rav and unia sucks! I went to an interview for a Winter job in Zermatt... and she seemed really interested hiring me but when I told this woman in rav.. she told me that anyways it was for december and I should take this kind of joke job while I am looking for another job. Please I need help... I am thinking leaving switzerland seriously cause I am absolutely f*** up with all this kind of things. Thanks so much in advance.
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Good morning , yesterday I have my second meeting with the rav. The person I have talked offered me a 2 or 4 hours weekly job :O . Then I have told to her thats not what I am looking for ( I am looking for at least a 50% time job). I explain her that I wouldnt like to move 2 hours both ways for this sh**** job. She has told me that I have to take it. I am looking for a job like Portier or Allrounder (wich includes reception, inkasso, cleaning etc... ) and this job its more a joke... just cleaning and doing some sh**** stuff). What should I do? Can I refuse? She insisted that I have to try cause shes a friend of her and she needs help... Really I am beginning to think that this rav and unia sucks! I went to an interview for a Winter job in Zermatt... and she seemed really interested hiring me but when I told this woman in rav.. she told me that anyways it was for december and I should take this kind of joke job while I am looking for another job. Please I need help... I am thinking leaving switzerland seriously cause I am absolutely f*** up with all this kind of things. Thanks so much in advance.
You have to accept any work your offered, if you turn it down thats your choice so no reason for the insurance to pay you to twiddle your thumbs.
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Thanks for your answer. SO that means if I have been working 4 years in reception I have to degrade myself and clean shit and working where I dont want... Really if I was depressive... now I just want to cry... this sucks !!!

THanks a lot for your answer.
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Thanks for your answer. SO that means if I have been working 4 years in reception I have to degrade myself and clean shit and working where I dont want... Really if I was depressive... now I just want to cry... this sucks !!!

THanks a lot for your answer.
You know what really is ^$£& - your attitude. There are jobs out there that you are capable of doing but you are choosing not to because you don't want to "lower" yourself to doing them.

Well suck it buttercup, the world isn't all sunshine and butterflies and sometimes you have to get on and do stuff even if you don't want/like to. You are better off getting your foot in the door of any establishment doing a job you are not keen on than not working at all.

If you have a positive attitude a few hours cleaning might lead to covering a couple of shifts of reception and then maybe even a full time job.
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The RAV wants you to take a job on offer? You'd better take it then.
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Do you think its really nice taking 2 buses and walking 3 kms ( no buses to arrive to the end of the world job) just to work 2 hours cleaning shit.. and then coming back the same way... man... sure you are saying cause you are getting 6000 a month and sitting in front of your computer in the office.. could you think a little bit more before saying so many things without any idea who you are talkin with.. I need advice no bullshit!

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You know what really is ^$£& - your attitude. There are jobs out there that you are capable of doing but you are choosing not to because you don't want to "lower" yourself to doing them.

Well suck it buttercup, the world isn't all sunshine and butterflies and sometimes you have to get on and do stuff even if you don't want/like to. You are better off getting your foot in the door of any establishment doing a job you are not keen on than not working at all.

If you have a positive attitude a few hours cleaning might lead to covering a couple of shifts of reception and then maybe even a full time job.
by the way.. its not a hotel.. its just a small restaurant... I never worked in a restaurant.. I dont like.. and I didnt expect to work there...

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The RAV wants you to take a job on offer? You'd better take it then.
thanks a lot.. how many days could be the penalty for refusing this kind of joke job?

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You have to accept any work your offered, if you turn it down thats your choice so no reason for the insurance to pay you to twiddle your thumbs.
I thought it was any job that meant you earned at least an adequate salary to support yourself? 2 to 4 hours a week isn't going to meet that criteria. If this is a friend of the RAV person sounds like she's just trying to force the OP to get her friend some cheap help. Seems to me the OP would spend more money getting to/from the workplace than they would actually earn with those hours if it's a 2 hour journey both ways. Presumably if the OP did take the job RAV would have to make up the difference in pay anyway which isn't their aim - it's to get you back into work which pays you enough that they don't have to.
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I need advice no bullshit!
And nobody here is under any obligation to give you anything. At the same time they can give you as much bullshit as their hearts desire.

I can sympathize with your situation, because it is crap, but your attitude means that I won't.
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I thought it was any job that meant you earned at least an adequate salary to support yourself? 2 to 4 hours a week isn't going to meet that criteria. If this is a friend of the RAV person sounds like she's just trying to force the OP to get her friend some cheap help. Seems to me the OP would spend more money getting to/from the workplace than they would actually earn with those hours if it's a 2 hour journey both ways. Presumably if the OP did take the job RAV would have to make up the difference in pay anyway which isn't their aim - it's to get you back into work which pays you enough that they don't have to.
RAV can require you to take work offered that may make you employable AND the money earned is deducted from the insurance on a pro-rata basis - I can't remember the calculation on how it is done - but generally it is worth doing it.

In the case of the OP, a positive spin would be it gives experience of working in restaurants (setting up for service)

The OPs best way to tackle this particular offer is to counter that the time spent travelling to the job is disproportianate and would impact their efforts in finding more suitable job. Or alternatively she could whinge like a spoilt princess.
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Re: Rav obbey me to work 2 or 4 hours a week

You have at least 3 choices.

1). Accept the 2 or 4 hours job. Look for another job. Stay with RAV. RAV can make you travel 2 hours each way, = 4 hours per day!

2). Refuse the 2 or 4 hours job, accept the RAV penalty, stay with RAV.

3). Leave the RAV, leave Switzerland.
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I thought it was any job that meant you earned at least an adequate salary to support yourself? 2 to 4 hours a week isn't going to meet that criteria. If this is a friend of the RAV person sounds like she's just trying to force the OP to get her friend some cheap help. Seems to me the OP would spend more money getting to/from the workplace than they would actually earn with those hours if it's a 2 hour journey both ways. Presumably if the OP did take the job RAV would have to make up the difference in pay anyway which isn't their aim - it's to get you back into work which pays you enough that they don't have to.
The salary should be 70% of what you earned before..... Accepting a job (any job offered) up to 4 hours travel a day is a requirement. RAV will still pay any outstanding claim on top of the hours worked.
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I can't remember the calculation on how it is done - but generally it is worth doing it.
If earning 69.9% /79.9% or less then a top up of 70/80% of the difference. Earn 70/80% & no top up is made as you don't have a valid claim that month.
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Thanks for your answer. SO that means if I have been working 4 years in reception I have to degrade myself and clean shit and working where I dont want... Really if I was depressive... now I just want to cry... this sucks !!!

THanks a lot for your answer.
I don't want to pay for you to sit around either
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Do you think its really nice taking 2 buses and walking 3 kms ( no buses to arrive to the end of the world job) just to work 2 hours cleaning shit..
It'll keep you healthy, give you something to do, and increase your income. It may also be a foot in the door to other work, adding value to your portfolio of skills and show future employers that you're the kind of person who's willing and flexible.

"nice" doesn't come into it. If you don't want it, tell your RAV person you don't want to do it. When she stops part of your payment, appeal to a higher authority.

But don't be emotional about . Your emotional splurge here has hardly attracted a massive amount of sympathy and support. And as far as a job beneath your dignity, I know a guy with a PhD in Bioinformatics who worked on the Human Genome project. He came to Switzerland for love, and took any job he could get to support his wife. He ended up with a 90 minute each way commute, supervising a specialist cleaning crew for 50K a year. Eventually he moved on to something more in keeping with his skills and qualifications. So stop feeling hard done by.
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I don't want to pay for you to sit around either
And what do you think im going to there? Im going to give my worst version.. thats a fact... Maybe then after a few days they realise that Im not the person that they were looking for... you can be sure I am going to do that.. without showing them.. for sure!

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You have at least 3 choices.

1). Accept the 2 or 4 hours job. Look for another job. Stay with RAV. RAV can make you travel 2 hours each way, = 4 hours per day!

2). Refuse the 2 or 4 hours job, accept the RAV penalty, stay with RAV.

3). Leave the RAV, leave Switzerland.
Thanks a lot.. how many days should be the penalty? I am sure I could survive if

they only deduct 10 or 15 days...

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I thought it was any job that meant you earned at least an adequate salary to support yourself? 2 to 4 hours a week isn't going to meet that criteria. If this is a friend of the RAV person sounds like she's just trying to force the OP to get her friend some cheap help. Seems to me the OP would spend more money getting to/from the workplace than they would actually earn with those hours if it's a 2 hour journey both ways. Presumably if the OP did take the job RAV would have to make up the difference in pay anyway which isn't their aim - it's to get you back into work which pays you enough that they don't have to.
Thats the point... and I am sure thats what it is... just forcing to me to take this shit cause some people in this country think that we are their slaves...

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Re: Rav obbey me to work 2 or 4 hours a week

just think of it as extra motivation to get a job.

you could just also refuse and stop taking RAV money and look for job separately and support yourself during this time.
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Good morning , yesterday I have my second meeting with the rav. The person I have talked offered me a 2 or 4 hours weekly job :O . Then I have told to her thats not what I am looking for ( I am looking for at least a 50% time job). I explain her that I wouldnt like to move 2 hours both ways for this sh**** job. She has told me that I have to take it. I am looking for a job like Portier or Allrounder (wich includes reception, inkasso, cleaning etc... ) and this job its more a joke... just cleaning and doing some sh**** stuff). What should I do? Can I refuse? She insisted that I have to try cause shes a friend of her and she needs help... Really I am beginning to think that this rav and unia sucks! I went to an interview for a Winter job in Zermatt... and she seemed really interested hiring me but when I told this woman in rav.. she told me that anyways it was for december and I should take this kind of joke job while I am looking for another job. Please I need help... I am thinking leaving switzerland seriously cause I am absolutely f*** up with all this kind of things. Thanks so much in advance.
Op, I sympathise with you in the respect that the RAV have given you a raw deal here, it sounds like a very crappy job with excessive travel for the amount of work you will do per day... to the point where I would say it isn't worth the time and effort.

However writing with that kind of childish attitude is the last thing you should be doing if you and any kind of sympathy, help or support on the forum... people here will react badly to it and you won't get anything constructive out of them to help with your situation.

Ask the RAV about doing a German course if language is an issue for you, and apply directly to as many companies as possible through their websites to increase your chances.
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they only deduct 10 or 15 days...

Look: the RAV is an insurance we all pay in. It's based on solidarity and only works if everyone follows the rules and tries as hard as he can to keep the costs as low as possible. You made it absolutely clear that you are planning to not do this but try to do the absolute legal minimum to get money.

a) This attitude does not really earn you sympathy here.
b) This attitude will get you into a lot of trouble with your RAV adviser. What do you really believe will happen if you do your worst job possible? The boss of the restaurant will tell the RAV that you are a slacker. Next thing you know is that your adviser will give you an even worse assignment just for the fun of it and to test how reliable you are... as others have said: they got pleny of legal tools to give you a really hard time - for example make you travel to a rubbish job each day for four hours. Do you want to test who got more perseverance, you or your adviser? Do your really think you are the first thick headed guy with a wrong sense of entitlement that ever showed up at a RAV? You will lose. Just play by the rules and maybe do a bit more than so far to show your adviser how serious you are. If you are so set on not doing this work: get yourself some job interviews...
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Yep... I am motivated enough... thats a fact... but not for this shit... I am waiting for an answer cause I had an interview on monday... Yesterday I received a mail asking what did this job look like to me.. and when I could start ( winter job) ... so even when its not done.. Im 100% optimistic. If she hires me... sure I am taking holidays... and this rav can make bussiness with others.. but sure not with me!! Thanks for your kindness.

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Look: the RAV is an insurance we all pay in. It's based on solidarity and only works if everyone follows the rules and tries as hard as he can to keep the costs as low as possible. You made it absolutely clear that you are planning to not do this but try to do the absolute legal minimum to get money.

a) This attitude does not really earn you sympathy here.
b) This attitude will get you into a lot of trouble with your RAV adviser. What do you really believe will happen if you do your worst job possible? The boss of the restaurant will tell the RAV that you are a slacker. Next thing you know is that your adviser will give you an even worse assignment just for the fun of it and to test how reliable you are... as others have said: they got pleny of legal tools to give you a really hard time - for example make you travel to a rubbish job each day for four hours. Do you want to test who got more perseverance, you or your adviser? Do your really think you are the first thick headed guy with a wrong sense of entitlement that ever showed up at a RAV? You will lose. Just play by the rules and maybe do a bit more than so far to show your adviser how serious you are. If you are so set on not doing this work: get yourself some job interviews...
Yep,... actually I had one this week and another one last week... very optimistic about the last one.. no doubt Im doing a great effort.. and about paying ... yep.. I have paid the last 4 years too.. thanks anyway

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Yep,... actually I had one this week and another one last week... very optimistic about the last one.. no doubt Im doing a great effort.. and about paying ... yep.. I have paid the last 4 years too.. thanks anyway
Just out of interest, do you speak German or only English?

Regardless of language, th problem is that once you get on the bad side of your RAV advisor, they have a lot of power to start messing with you, so always be super sweet and polite and if yo urefuse anything then at least try and support it with a constructive counter-argument. Ask for an intensive language course perhaps that will take a good portion of your week and allow you to better integrate and find German-speaking work?
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