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Help! [Non EU. Partner moving back to CH.]

Hello, everybody!

I'm in a bit of a pickle; it's a long story, so please bear with me.

I'm a third-country (Non-EU/EEA) national from a third world country. I have lived in about 6 different countries. While living in the Czech Republic, I met my boyfriend of four years.

He is due to move back to Zurich very soon, and we are at the end of our wits as to what to do.

I have a degree in English language and literature from the State University of New York, and Cambridge teaching certificates. However, for the past year and a half, I have been working in a middle management position in the financial sector. I speak several languages, with French being intermediate and German being rather basic.

As he moves in September, we are running out of time and have zero solutions. I cannot simply move, because the living costs are quite expensive, and ideally I would like to have a job to cover my expenses. I refuse to marry him for the sole purpose of obtaining permits. Same applies for simply bunking over on his dime. I cannot seem to find work that requires anything I am qualified to do, and the amount of experience I have isn't exactly stellar by Swiss standards...

I am currently pending EU citizenship, but have no clue as to when my papers will be issued. I have no idea whether an EU passport would be of any help, as opposed to my current "dubious" passport.

I need any help, tips, or insight as to where to seek employment, and what sort of positions are available for me. I was advised to seek employment in financial services before, but was turned down - whether it's the nationality, language, experience, or all that worked to my detriment, I do not know.

I know this is lame, and countless people take the "long distance" relationship route with no issues. But this is my absolute best friend, my partner in all things good and bad, and for all intents and purposes a piece of me.We have been inseparable best friends for years, prior to becoming a couple. I don't want this to happen to us now. Absolutely ANY insight you offer me will be appreciated beyond words.
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Old 20.08.2015, 13:34
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Re: Help!

I can't really help much with employment advice other than to say that getting an EU passport will help a lot. Work on that first before you start wasting too much time applying for jobs.
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Unfortunately, there isn't much that I can do about the EU passport. The papers were submitted almost 1 year ago, and according to my lawyer, the process itself is done, and while we wait for the papers to be issued, there is zilch that we can do. It has been "any minute, now" since April, but still nothing. My hands are tied in that area, so I need something that I can do right now...
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Old 20.08.2015, 14:18
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There's nothing you can do "right now". Even in the unlikely case you were to find a job basically tomorrow (unlikely cause Switzerland doesn't exactly have a dynamic job market), your prospective employer would still need to apply for a work permit, which can take months. And most importantly, it doesn't seem like you have a "unique" skill set that would make you eligible for a work permit, i.e. something no Swiss or EU national can bring, I'm afraid. However that is the #1 criterion for non-EUs to get a job and work permit here

I'm sorry to say, but the by far best bet is marriage or that EU citizenship - whichever can happen faster since you seem to be in a hurry. One thing that can be guaranteed is that you will not be able to move here in September unless for a limited period of time as a tourist (depending on your nationality). Sorry, I can relate to your frustration, but that's the way it is

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getting a job without permit is extremely difficult, even in finance sector, unless you have special area of expertise that very few people in CH could qualify. getting a EU passport would definitely help in that sense.
other jobs possible based on your background would be teaching, however then good French/German/Italian abilities would possibly be required, based on where you will work and live.

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Unfortunately, there isn't much that I can do about the EU passport. The papers were submitted almost 1 year ago, and according to my lawyer, the process itself is done, and while we wait for the papers to be issued, there is zilch that we can do. It has been "any minute, now" since April, but still nothing. My hands are tied in that area, so I need something that I can do right now...
if you have faith in your relationship and do want to move to Switzerland eventually, maybe you can start to learn more on languages

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Re: Help!

Hi, sorry to hear about your situation..:/

Maybe you could try getting an internship in the field of finance or any other field you have some experience with? That would get you at least some income a permit and some more experience. I know its not a great solution but could be a start..

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Old 20.08.2015, 14:37
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Re: Help!

As Samaire13 said, there's nothing you can do. You could keep applying for positions here, but frankly you're not highly qualified/experienced enough to offer something that a Swiss/EU national can't. The criteria for hiring non-EU nationals is here:

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...zulassung.html

and the procedure the Swiss go through here:

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...ensablauf.html

so even if by some miracle you could find an employer willing to go to the cost of applying for a permit for you, it'll take months before a decision is made.

So your options are:

Wait for the EU citizenship papers, then you can move here and job hunt without problems.

Marry him - you get the same permit as his, assuming he's not Swiss, and can work. If he's Swiss you'll still get a permit and can work.

Get him to apply for a concubine permit for you which means he needs to agree to support you financially for 5 years, even if you subsequently break up, and I'm not certain you would work with that permit.

If you don't want to do either of the last two options and while you wait for your papers, you'll simply have to put up with a long distance relationship: Skype regularly, make visits back and forth to each other's countries, etc. Plenty of people have done and do do it and their relationships survive. If yours is strong enough it will too.
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Re: Help!

Assuming that you currently have a permit to live and work within the European Union: You could both move to Germany close to the Swiss border and your partner could commute to Zurich. Not very convenient, but doable on an interim basis.
Check with your lawyer whether you have to stay in your current country during your EU citizenship application process (which might be a risk even if you were entitled to work in Switzerland from a Swiss perspective).
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Assuming that you currently have a permit to live and work within the European Union: You could both move to Germany close to the Swiss border and your partner could commute to Zurich. Not very convenient, but doable on an interim basis.
Nope. If it were that easy every non-EU resident somewhere in the EU would do it. It's an even worse way because on top of the usual criteria for eligibility for Swiss work permits for non-EU nationals, OP would also need to have lived in the German border zone for a period of time to be eligible for a cross-border work permit.

Internships won't work either as - so I understand from her post - she's worked for years. No company will hire her as an intern.

Again: marriage or EU nationality. There are no creative solutions here, unless OP gets extreeeeemely lucky on the job front.
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Working illegal cannot be recommended. There's a story in the NZZ this week about a Serb in Switzerland who employed a Serbian student as a childminder for about 40 days without a work permit. The childminder was arrested and the employer put on trial for this offense:

http://www.nzz.ch/zuerich/alleinerzi...aft-1.18598126
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Nope. If it were that easy every non-EU resident somewhere in the EU would do it. It's an even worse way because on top of the usual criteria for eligibility for Swiss work permits for non-EU nationals, OP would also need to have lived in the German border zone for a period of time to be eligible for a cross-border work permit.

Internships won't work either as - so I understand from her post - she's worked for years. No company will hire her as an intern.

Again: marriage or EU nationality. There are no creative solutions here, unless OP gets extreeeeemely lucky on the job front.
I suggest to read my post more accurately. The OP would have to stay (live and/or work) in Germany. The _partner_ could commute to Zurich.
But this is assuming that she currently does have a EU permit. "Planet Earth" isn't too precise a location and we have no idea whether she currently still lives in the Czech Republic.
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I suggest to read my post more accurately. The OP would have to stay (live and/or work) in Germany. The _partner_ could commute to Zurich.
But this is assuming that she currently does have a EU permit. "Planet Earth" isn't too precise a location and we have no idea whether she currently still lives in the Czech Republic.
EU work/ residence permits are normally country-specific. She would need a German work/ residence permit to reside in Germany.

Agreed that OP needs to provide more information about her current status to possibly be able to assist.
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I suggest to read my post more accurately. The OP would have to stay (live and/or work) in Germany. The _partner_ could commute to Zurich.
But this is assuming that she currently does have a EU permit. "Planet Earth" isn't too precise a location and we have no idea whether she currently still lives in the Czech Republic.
No, she couldn't. The EU permanent residence permit does not grant non-EU's the right to live and work anywhere else in the EU.

"Nevertheless, such residence permits do not confer the right of residence in the other EU countries.

Right of residence in the other EU countries


A long-term resident may exercise the right of residence, for a period exceeding three months, in an EU country other than the one which granted him/her the status, subject to compliance with certain conditions, including:
  • exercise of an economic activity in an employed or self-employed capacity;
  • pursuit of studies or vocational training;
  • other purposes."
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-conte...uriserv:l23034

Only by getting a job or studying in Germany would she be able to stay there longer than 3 months.

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Old 20.08.2015, 22:15
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...I know this is lame, and countless people take the "long distance" relationship route with no issues. But this is my absolute best friend, my partner in all things good and bad, and for all intents and purposes a piece of me.We have been inseparable best friends for years, prior to becoming a couple. I don't want this to happen to us now. Absolutely ANY insight you offer me will be appreciated beyond words.
It's never nice to be separated from someone that's so important to you. Without trying to sound mean, I firmly believe if a relationship is life-long strong, the individuals can handle long-distance for a while. If you are concerned about "issues" that might arise, now is the time to talk about them.

Also TBH, Europe is not THAT big in terms of distance these days, particularly with the low-cost carriers.

My husband and I managed nearly 2 years of more than 7,000 kms apart, seeing each other every 12 weeks or so. It was far more distance and expense than you'd have from anywhere in Europe to CH. It's hard, it's not fun, and it can be very lonely. But if you can get through it, your relationship is that much stronger.

Good luck!
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Re: Help! [Non EU. Partner moving back to CH.]

+1 for the fact that long distance relationships can work!

If you can find a job not to far from decent transport to your partner? I "commute" often to Berlin and hubby visits me quite often here. My work also allows me to do home office so I can spend more time with him and do my job.

A lot of people manage their lifes this way and well

Frankfurt has a banking hub, as has London, and both cities are very well connected to Zurich for flights, so maybe something to start searching in that area
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Re: Help! [Non EU. Partner moving back to CH.]

I just want to say, as strongly as you feel about not marrying for legal purposes, my husband and I decided to elope in order to not get separated by governments, and in the end that seemed like the best reason to get married....to be together! It was very romantic!
It all depends on how you look at it. Granted, we knew we would get married anyway, and had talked about it a lot before we realized we could get separated for 6-12 months, but hadn't made any plans. We still hope to have a wedding with our families when its financially possible.
Just a thought.
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