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Old 23.08.2015, 14:32
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You seem to not be grasping the fact that Bulgaria and Romania do face the same obstacles. These two countries do not get the same treatment as the rest of the EU. So saying that i entered the country as an EU national with all the rights granted is far from the truth. So please, you do not have to pretend to know more about my circumstances.
Anyway i think i made my point clear in the previous post, it is not always as hard as it may be shown on the internet. If you have something to say against that, be my guest, if not, then just drop it, i give it to you, you are the queen of the internet.
I am not going to feel bad for sharing my experience which by the way is relevant because my position is very much similar to the position a croatian citizen would be in.
Simple question: did you have a job offer here before you arrived? Or did you move here first and then start job hunting?
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I had a job offer.
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Old 23.08.2015, 18:26
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Re: Working and living in Switzerland

But you were already here working as an au pair so getting the change of permit may not be that difficult.

Unfortunately the OP is too old to apply for an au pair position, the upper age limit for non-EU nationals is 25.
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Re: Working and living in Switzerland

Yes, that is why i suggested the grapes picking job, or a job on a farm - they do give out permits easier for these jobs including au-pair jobs. Once he has a permit, regardless of what type, he can switch to a better permit easier. That is how i did it, i just did not have to go for jobs at a farm because i was still young enough to apply for an au-pair job.
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Old 23.08.2015, 19:15
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You seem to not be grasping the fact that Bulgaria and Romania do face the same obstacles. These two countries do not get the same treatment as the rest of the EU. So saying that i entered the country as an EU national with all the rights granted is far from the truth. So please, you do not have to pretend to know more about my circumstances.
Anyway i think i made my point clear in the previous post, it is not always as hard as it may be shown on the internet. If you have something to say against that, be my guest, if not, then just drop it, i give it to you, you are the queen of the internet.
I am not going to feel bad for sharing my experience which by the way is relevant because my position is very much similar to the position a croatian citizen would be in.
Absolutely true, Linela. EU-2 can enter and stay for 90 days just like almost anyone else (as a tourist). Even people from Balkan countries that are not EU citizens have these rights. To work here though, or to reside here, you need residence and work permits like non-EU, and there are annual quotas for B permits (no more than 150 permits for both countries as far as I kinow)
Anyway, in Medea's defence, she usually gives very pertinent answers but the whole EU-2 thing is hard to comprehend because they were always discriminated within EU, re. working rights.
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Old 23.08.2015, 20:18
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Re: Working and living in Switzerland

I understand it's difficult for EU-2 nationals greenmount, I never said it wasn't. But there are differences. EU-2 nationals can become self-employed here for one thing. It may be that they could also apply for a job seeker's permit as other EU nationals do; they're subject to the non-EU hiring rules, but I can't find anything to say they can or can't become job seekers here. So that could be another difference.

What I'm trying to get linela to see is that under the non-EU hiring rules jobs like grape picking or working on a farm simply don't meet the criteria to get a permit. It may be that an EU-2 national could, given that the restrictions are soon to be lifted hopefully, but not a non-EU. You have to be more qualified/experienced than that.

It's not impossible milanndo, but it will be difficult. All you can do is keep trying and do things like learn a Swiss language to help improve your chances.
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Maybe now you understand Medea, after greenmount explained it to you. Although i was trying to explain the same thing the whole time. You did not seem to understand a few posts earlier when you were rolling eyes. I am glad that you in the end at least said that it is possible. According to your previous posts it was almost impossible.
Anyway i think i am officially done with this post, i hope that the OP did get and will get some more useful info.
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Old 23.08.2015, 22:30
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Maybe now you understand Medea, after greenmount explained it to you. Although i was trying to explain the same thing the whole time. You did not seem to understand a few posts earlier when you were rolling eyes. I am glad that you in the end at least said that it is possible. According to your previous posts it was almost impossible.
Anyway i think i am officially done with this post, i hope that the OP did get and will get some more useful info.
I always understood. No one here has said it's impossible, but it is difficult, sometimes very difficult depending on what you have to offer an employer that a Swiss/EU national does not. My OH for example is very specialised in his field, an expert in fact, and there are very few people in the world who have his skills/experience. If he were a non-EU national an employer would have a very good chance of getting a permit for him. Me on the other hand have several years secretarial experience, but nothing else. I'm not specialised enough that if I were a non-EU I'd stand a hope in hell of having an employer go to the time and expense of applying for a permit for me because there are plenty of Swiss/EU nationals who have the same skills/experience. What milanndo needs to find is what will make him more specialised to make him more desirable to Swiss employers.
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What milanndo needs to find is what will make him more specialised to make him more desirable to Swiss employers.
C'mon guys, let's not argue. At least we all agree on this one.
Plus learn at least one of the official languages!!! I'd recommend German. If you're not a doctor (GP) like two of my acquaintances who're taking care mostly of old patients in some villages - French is not of much (practical) help. Sad truth.
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Old 24.08.2015, 12:31
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C'mon guys, let's not argue. At least we all agree on this one.
Plus learn at least one of the official languages!!! I'd recommend German. If you're not a doctor (GP) like two of my acquaintances who're taking care mostly of old patients in some villages - French is not of much (practical) help. Sad truth.
French is a lot more use than German in Geneva, Lausanne, Sion, Neuchatel
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French is a lot more use than German in Geneva, Lausanne, Sion, Neuchatel
Erm, yes Sherlock, thanks for stating the obvious....but if you apply for jobs from outside Switzerland you'll find out you have more chances with German.
Now, take your cool pill and relax. It's only Monday.
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Erm, yes Sherlock, thanks for stating the obvious....but if you apply for jobs from outside Switzerland you'll find out you have more chances with German.
Now, take your cool pill and relax. It's only Monday.
I guess it all depends where you apply in Switzeland, Einstein
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I guess it all depends where you apply in Switzeland, Einstein
You really insist in being an..... LOL
Reading comprehension is not your forte, heh?

If I have to recommend someone which of the official languages of Switzerland should learn, as to improve his/her chances of finding a job in Switzerland - that would be German. Simply because there are more jobs which require knowledge of the German language. And yes, they are in the German part, obviously.
French is a bonus of course, but I for one know where the efforts should go.
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Plus learn at least one of the official languages!!! I'd recommend German.

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Re: Working and living in Switzerland

simma down simma down

i just went by the german school here in winterthur because next month ill also be studying. it can range anywhere from 600-1,000 CH, so it's quite expensive here. i've read you can do RAV and they will pay for your classes but its very basic and you need to have a job from the employer first in order to get free classes.

when i was in the philippines i was going to study high german with a nice swiss lady for less than $100 and it was a full course...i deeply regret not doing that lol so if classes are cheaper for you where you are now then do that. whatever you do just do your best to get a head start with your german so you have more opportunities
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You really insist in being an..... LOL
Reading comprehension is not your forte, heh?

If I have to recommend someone which of the official languages of Switzerland should learn, as to improve his/her chances of finding a job in Switzerland - that would be German. Simply because there are more jobs which require knowledge of the German language. And yes, they are in the German part, obviously.
French is a bonus of course, but I for one know where the efforts should go.
Einstein.
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Lot of international jobs in Suisse Romande, Nestle, Philip Morris, BAT, UEFA, Olympic Committee not to mention all the NGO's in Geneva, banks, tradingf co's Yahoo, UN, Red Cross....
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Dear all,

(ADMIN: if necessary please move this post to where it belongs, I could`t find it) thnx

So, here is my story. Im a 30 year "old" guy from Croatia. I studied at Faculty of tourism and hospitality management and became Magister of conomics. Later I finished one year specialization for PR and became public relations manager.
For the last few years I was thinking and dreaming about moving to Switzerland and now I finaly decided to do something about it. First thing that made me realize it is not that easy to just go there and find a job is the procedure. Basicaly, from what I have read is that first you need to find a company that is interested in you, ans than that same company needs to justify to department (i dont know exact name...) that You are (out of all the other potential employees within Switzerland and other EU and EFTA coutries) only one who fulfils their needs for the open job position.

Sounds like mission impossible to me, dont you think so? At least from my position where I (based in Croatia) need to find a company who is willing to go thru that whole process.

So my quostion is, what are your experiences?
Do you think there is need for Mrs of Economics?
Anything? Any suggestions?

And yeah... I dont think my english is perfect, but that`s just a perfectionist in me speaking. Und mein deutsch is so schecht, aber ich denke das ich kan make it better.

so... waiting for your experiences, suggestions, information..whatever...

thnx a lot guys (in advance)
Wish you luck my friend.
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Re: Working and living in Switzerland

Hi Everybody,


I am also new to this. I live in Pretoria, South Africa. Joined out of curiosity and interest to move to Switzerland. I am an Electrical Draughtsman (although female) and would like to know if there are other people in the same profession on this site, in order to gain some info about income and the possibility of finding work in this field in Switzerland.
I have many questions...
But, first the job issue and connecting with someone in the same field.
I am currently working in the mining industry. Are there mining industries in Switzerland? I see many engineering companies, but little info on mining.
How difficult is it for South Africans to relocate and adapt in Switzerland?
Very excited to be chatting to all of you!
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Hi Everybody,


I am also new to this. I live in Pretoria, South Africa. Joined out of curiosity and interest to move to Switzerland. I am an Electrical Draughtsman (although female) and would like to know if there are other people in the same profession on this site, in order to gain some info about income and the possibility of finding work in this field in Switzerland.
I have many questions...
But, first the job issue and connecting with someone in the same field.
I am currently working in the mining industry. Are there mining industries in Switzerland? I see many engineering companies, but little info on mining.
How difficult is it for South Africans to relocate and adapt in Switzerland?
Very excited to be chatting to all of you!
Not much mining as far as I know. Tunneling for roads/rail and some quarries, but I think that's about it.

It's very difficult for non-EU nationals to be hired here as priority is given to Swiss/EU nationals. The criteria is outlined here:

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...zulassung.html

Also the Swiss recently voted to also curb immigration from the EU and that may squeeze job prospects even further in the next couple of years.
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Re: Working and living in Switzerland

I would expect that there is a demand for Electrical Draughtsmen in Europe including Switzerland. As noted by Medea Fleecesteeler, it is rather difficult for non-EU citizens to obtain a work permit for Switzerland. It would probably be better for you to look in the EU, especially where you have existing language abilities: UK, Ireland for English and Netherlands, Flanders-Belgium for Dutch.

You might wish to read this thread and other postings by Gechoe, a S. African with Swiss citizenship:

What is my profession in Switzerland?

If you have a claim on EU citizenship through descent, it would make a move to the EU/ EFTA/ Switzerland possible. If you haven't reviewed EU citizenship by descent, would suggest you do so.
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