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receiving unemployment after quittinig job and searching for another one abroad

Hi all,

I've searched through the forum and ch.ch and got a big picture, but the details on what I want to do are not clear so i'll try to ask a very specific question.
I've been working here in Switzerland for about 14 months, with an employment contract. I have a B permit. I'm going to leave soon to go and search for another job in the UK.
I would like to know if it's possible to quit my current job, and apply for the RAV thing and remotely get unemployment money from the swiss system while I'm in another EU country looking for a new job.
I've seen lots of examples on the internet about receiving unemployment while staying here but not so much about leaving, and also it's not the same thing if they fire you than if you quit.

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Hi all,

I've searched through the forum and ch.ch and got a big picture, but the details on what I want to do are not clear so i'll try to ask a very specific question.
I've been working here in Switzerland for about 14 months, with an employment contract. I have a B permit. I'm going to leave soon to go and search for another job in the UK.
I would like to know if it's possible to quit my current job, and apply for the RAV thing and remotely get unemployment money from the swiss system while I'm in another EU country looking for a new job.
I've seen lots of examples on the internet about receiving unemployment while staying here but not so much about leaving, and also it's not the same thing if they fire you than if you quit.

thanks a lot
I have only knowledge of the opposite situation. If you worked in another country (EU/EFTA) and move here, you qualify for unemployment here by exporting the unemployment insurance contributions paid in the country you worked from that country into Switzerland. The procedure is quite simple. I hope for you it can work for departure from Switzerland too!
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Old 08.09.2015, 23:10
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Hi all,

I've searched through the forum and ch.ch and got a big picture, but the details on what I want to do are not clear so i'll try to ask a very specific question.
I've been working here in Switzerland for about 14 months, with an employment contract. I have a B permit. I'm going to leave soon to go and search for another job in the UK.
I would like to know if it's possible to quit my current job, and apply for the RAV thing and remotely get unemployment money from the swiss system while I'm in another EU country looking for a new job.
I've seen lots of examples on the internet about receiving unemployment while staying here but not so much about leaving, and also it's not the same thing if they fire you than if you quit.

thanks a lot
For 3 months, yes, you will receive Swiss unemployment in another EU country after which you go on to that country's system.

However if you quit and have no dependents you will be severely penalized and you have to look, and prove, you've been looking for jobs during this period.

RAV is not a free lunch by any means, be warned.
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For 3 months, yes, you will receive Swiss unemployment in another EU country after which you go on to that country's system.

However if you quit and have no dependents you will be severely penalized and you have to look, and prove, you've been looking for jobs during this period.

RAV is not a free lunch by any means, be warned.
Not quite so simple,

The OP has to be unemployed for a minimum of 3 months in Switzerland before applying to export benefits. Benefits can be exported for 90 calendar days, after that you have to be back in CH on the following working day to re-register with the RAV.
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Not quite so simple,

The OP has to be unemployed for a minimum of 3 months in Switzerland before applying to export benefits. Benefits can be exported for 90 calendar days, after that you have to be back in CH on the following working day to re-register with the RAV.
when do those 3 months start?
imagine I quit today and I have a 3 month notice period. am i considered unemployed when i quit, or after i stop going to my company?
also, if I want to go to another country to look for work, why would I have to prove i'm looking for work in switzerland?
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when do those 3 months start?
imagine I quit today and I have a 3 month notice period. am i considered unemployed when i quit, or after i stop going to my company?
also, if I want to go to another country to look for work, why would I have to prove i'm looking for work in switzerland?
3 months of receiving benefits.

You can do absolutely anything you want to do. If you want the Swiss unemployment system to give you money, you have to follow their rules. Similar rules throughout the EU so don't feel too hard done by.
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Re: receiving unemployment after quittinig job and searching for another one abroad

If you quite your job voluntarily, you may not be entitled to any unemployment benefits, at all. The system is for those who lose their job through no fault of their own, not for those who decide to quite their job themselves.
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If you quite your job voluntarily, you may not be entitled to any unemployment benefits, at all. The system is for those who lose their job through no fault of their own, not for those who decide to quite their job themselves.
This is a common misconception. Employees who have worked and paid into the ALV for a sufficient period of time are entitled to unemployment compensation even if they quit their job voluntarily. According to Beobachter, however, the unemployment compensation could be possibly reduced benefits but not denied:

"Arbeitslose, die selber gekündigt haben

Anspruch auf Taggelder der Arbeitslosenversicherung (ALV) hat, wer - nebst anderen Voraussetzungen - ganz oder teilweise arbeitslos ist. Ob man gekündigt wurde oder selber gekündigt hat, spielt keine Rolle. Die immer noch weit verbreitete Ansicht, dass bei einer Selbstkündigung kein Anspruch auf Taggelder besteht, stimmt also nicht. Wegen selbst verschuldeter Arbeitslosigkeit ist höchstens mit Taggeldkürzungen zu rechnen."



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If you quite your job voluntarily, you may not be entitled to any unemployment benefits, at all. The system is for those who lose their job through no fault of their own, not for those who decide to quite their job themselves.
Unemployment benefit is also available to those who move here and have never worked here. The key is you have to import the insurance contributions you paid in the previous country, you then qualify immediately, it is not checked whether you quit or whether you were let go.
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Re: receiving unemployment after quittinig job and searching for another one abroad

If you quit, expect an additional three months of no benefits, so most likely you will start getting benefits four months after you stop work, thus seven months after you quit, during which time you will need to be registered at RAV and show proof of looking for a job.

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If you quit, expect an additional three months of no benefits, so most likely you will start getting benefits four months after you stop work, thus seven months after you quit, during which time you will need to be registered at RAV and show proof of looking for a job.

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what would be the difference if instead of working the person is fired?
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what would be the difference if instead of working the person is fired?
Once the person is fired they should use the search function on here to understand what happens.
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Once you fire yourself from work you also might get banned on the EF because Big Brother is watching you and your entitlement to free lollipops will be terminated!
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Re: receiving unemployment after quittinig job and searching for another one abroad

Sounds like you are trying to milk the system. You wont get anything if you willingly give up your job. Even if you were to be made redundant and had 3 months notice, you would only be eligible for RAV payments after your position had ended and you were not receiving any income. In the UK you would would not receive unemployment benefit if you have any savings in your bank account, so be careful with what you declare. Maybe you should try and get yourself sacked... Unless you want a good reference ;-)
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what would be the difference if instead of working the person is fired?
If you are fired and are deemed to have brought it on yourself (i.e. it is your fault or even partly your fault) then you can also get punished. The RAV aren't that stupid.
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Sounds like you are trying to milk the system. You wont get anything if you willingly give up your job. Even if you were to be made redundant and had 3 months notice, you would only be eligible for RAV payments after your position had ended and you were not receiving any income. In the UK you would would not receive unemployment benefit if you have any savings in your bank account, so be careful with what you declare. Maybe you should try and get yourself sacked... Unless you want a good reference ;-)
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If you quite your job voluntarily, you may not be entitled to any unemployment benefits, at all. The system is for those who lose their job through no fault of their own, not for those who decide to quite their job themselves.

I do not believe this is true. There are many reasons people quit their jobs voluntarily, many of them very good reasons. The RAV may penalize you by withholding payments for the first 3 months or so, but that is it.


If you statement was correct, then people would just stay home until they get fired, or show up for work drunk, or do something really stupid in order to get fired.


The system is for those who loose their jobs, period.
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I do not believe this is true. There are many reasons people quit their jobs voluntarily, many of them very good reasons. The RAV may penalize you by withholding payments for the first 3 months or so, but that is it.


If you statement was correct, then people would just stay home until they get fired, or show up for work drunk, or do something really stupid in order to get fired.


The system is for those who loose their jobs, period.
Exactly not for "people quit their jobs voluntarily" and whilst they will get some assistance, there will be penmalites to accept which maybe longer than some people can accept.
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Exactly not for "people quit their jobs voluntarily" and whilst they will get some assistance, there will be penmalites to accept which maybe longer than some people can accept.
I never heard of and I am not accepting any penmalites in my unemployment protocol ...


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