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Re: Are expats in Switzerland allowed to do 2 jobs at the same time

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so Is an EU Passport holder allowed to do 1 legal job (of Company A) and another part time job (of Company B)...
In theory perhaps, in practice not likely unless the first job is also part-time.

First, the two jobs together must not add up to more than the allowable number of hours per week (this varies a little by industry but the norm in most sectors is 45.)

A full-time job here is normally 42.5 hours per week, so you could have a very small part-time job of up to 2.5 hours a week - more than that and you would be breaking the law.

There are also other work-related laws to take into account, e.g. you have to have a break after a certain number of hours working, and you have to have a certain number of hours' consecutive free time every day (to rest/sleep), a certain number of weeks' holiday every year. So your combination of two jobs would have to ensure that those laws are respected too, otherwise it would be illegal. (For example, if your main full-time job gives you 5 weeks' holiday per year, using those weeks to go and work at another job is illegal.)


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OK, let's suppose you do manage to find such a small, perfectly scheduled part-time job that you can legally do it in addition to your full-time job.

Whether you have to inform both employers or not depends on your contract. Most full-time contracts will say somewhere in the fine print that yes, you are required to inform them. But that's not the big hurdle, finding two jobs that fit together and don't break any of the labor laws is.
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Re: Are expats in Switzerland allowed to do 2 jobs at the same time

As an observation, some employees have their own businesses in the evening and on Saturdays. These businesses supplement their income and their hours are not tracked. Generally, to avoid legal issues with the day-time employer, these evening businesses should not be in competition with their employer's business.
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Re: Are expats in Switzerland allowed to do 2 jobs at the same time

Thanks Mullhollander,

So is it perfectly normal to do a full time job with company A and then work upon web development from home as a freelancer (approx. 2hrs daily). if thats the case then I do not have to even bother telling Company A about my freelancing job + I'll have extra cash + I dont have to pay tax on this freelancing income and use it for expenses.
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Thanks Mullhollander,

So is it perfectly normal to do a full time job with company A and then work upon web development from home as a freelancer (approx. 2hrs daily). if thats the case then I do not have to even bother telling Company A about my freelancing job + I'll have extra cash + I dont have to pay tax on this freelancing income and use it for expenses.
1) Depends if your main job is web development and you are targetting the same clients
2) You'll have extra cash
3) You'll have to pay tax
4) You'll probably have to set up a company to deal with any liability
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Thanks Mullhollander,

So is it perfectly normal to do a full time job with company A and then work upon web development from home as a freelancer (approx. 2hrs daily). if thats the case then I do not have to even bother telling Company A about my freelancing job + I'll have extra cash + I dont have to pay tax on this freelancing income and use it for expenses.
Fully agree with dodgyken's comments.

For more information on second income from your own business, you might wish to read this Beobachter Q&A on Nebenerwerb. Use a web translator to translate the German to English:

http://www.beobachter.ch/foren/ueber...ie-versteuern/
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Re: Are expats in Switzerland allowed to do 2 jobs at the same time

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The main issue is that you probably won't be allowed to get an extra paid job by your first employer that easily. Read your contract.
Exactly. My employer has a big paragraph included in contracts regarding this issue (stating that employees need special permission to undertake any other type of paid activity).
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Re: Are expats in Switzerland allowed to do 2 jobs at the same time

I currently work FT at one job and PT at another. Officially I am under contract for 100% at the main job and 30% at the second job, though in reality I actually only work about 10 hours per month at the PT gig and am paid hourly.

Both jobs know about it, and according to the HR, it isn't a problem.
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Re: Are expats in Switzerland allowed to do 2 jobs at the same time

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An EU citizen who has an unrestricted B permit can do WTF he wants. If your on a restricted permit you can't, the clue is in the word 'restricted'
If you work 100%, your main employer needs to be informed and agree to your second job.
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I am not sure if you are allowed to be contracted more than 100% though
I had a colleague who for a long time (almost a decade) was on a regular 90% contract (but shift work, so plenty of nights and weekends every month) where I worked and 60% elsewhere as an office secretary, only the 90% job knew about the other one and gave her lots of unusual shifts to allow her to stick to office hours for the 60% job where they remained unaware.
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But has anyone broken the law if you work at total 150% for two?
It is tolerated evidently by some companies. Not sure about the actual legality of it.
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If you work 100%, your main employer needs to be informed and agree to your second job.
I'm sure in many cases the main employer is not informed, especially if the second job is not even taxed.

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I'm sure in many cases the main employer is not informed, especially if the second job is not even taxed.
That's a whole different kettle of worms though. If you're working in the Black the whole point of this discussion is moot.
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That's a whole different kettle of worms though. If you're working in the Black the whole point of this discussion is moot.
I always thought the OP never intended to declare the income, so it's completely 'on topic'
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I always thought the OP never intended to declare the income, so it's completely 'on topic'
Me too - and the OP hasn't even arrived yet!

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That's a whole different kettle of worms though. If you're working in the Black
I was on a 100% contract, a job with an income which was obviously taxed.
However on top of that from time to time I had translations, interpreting for the Swiss border guard and regular private teaching means I was technically working part time as well (total 115-125% approx.), the main employer was definitely never informed as it was/is never their business, it was also entirely manageable as the 100% job was shift work in an office open 24/7.
The interpreting and translation was, more often than not, also taxed and so was above board as declared income.
For the private teaching which was where more money was to be made on a regular basis, I was always paid in cash, so it wasn't ever declared/taxed, nor did it have anything to do with the employer.
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For the private teaching which was where more money was to be made on a regular basis, I was always paid in cash, so it wasn't ever declared/taxed
So you freely state, on a public forum, to evading tax on your earnings? I'd be a little more careful about such things if I were you.

And in case you're not clear - Yes, it's your responsibility, even if your main taxation is done via Quellensteuer, to declare any other earnings to the tax authorities.
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I always thought the OP never intended to declare the income, so it's completely 'on topic'
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Me too - and the OP hasn't even arrived yet!
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So you freely state, on a public forum, to evading tax on your earnings? I'd be a little more careful about such things if I were you.

And in case you're not clear - Yes, it's your responsibility, even if your main taxation is done via Quellensteuer, to declare any other earnings to the tax authorities.
Initially I was 'quellenbesteuert' (but still filled in a tax return yearly as I received one having been self-employed when first coming here), later I wasn't.
Plenty of people who work as baby-/house-/pet-sitters or private teachers, drivers etc. earn money and are paid in cash. I have yet to come across anyone who actually declares all of this in their tax returns! Particularly teachers who give private tuition/lessons. Why would they?

I did so for 3 or 4 months as I had declared myself self-employed to the authorities upon arrival, as a private teacher, this obtained me my first B-permit, once the B-permit was secured, I stopped declaring any such income as it would have been tantamount to throwing money away.

I shop and run errands for an elderly neighbour, and am paid for this, but I am hardly going to put those amounts on my tax return, why would I want to complicate my situation? Life is hard enough without attracting this extra bother.

Moreover anyone living here without a permit, or on an L- or B-permit may not even know what a tax return is, and the vast majority of L- and B-permit holders have never received one to fill in since it's assumed they are taxed at source and do not have other jobs.
You can be here for 20 years, be still on a B-permit and never have filled in any tax forms. I know someone who was in that situation. But this doesn't stop him from earning money as a part-time driver for instance, getting paid in cash. This is reality.
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Re: Are expats in Switzerland allowed to do 2 jobs at the same time

That was an eye opener PlumTree. I thought cash never exchanged hands without a legal receipt or being taxed. Thanks.
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That was an eye opener PlumTree. I thought cash never exchanged hands without a legal receipt or being taxed. Thanks.
I have never, in over 15 years of teaching privately, given a receipt, but then I have never actually been asked for one either!
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