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Or french fries...
Wait a sec...If the OP had said she wanted to work for McDonald's would it be as big of a deal as a tobacco company I am assuming all the bashing is coming from only non smokers or those oppressed by it.
What, French fries are carcinogenic now?
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What, French fries are carcinogenic now?
Yes, about the same level as cigs and bacon.

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Same reason that I'd like to work for a bacon company.

My great aunt made it to 102, my grandfather to 103, they both smoked.

It's all BS.

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Hey Ace1, you still think there's no need for any "preaching" on tobacco?
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Yes, about the same level as cigs and bacon.

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And yet, cigarettes causing cancer is "all BS"?

Acrylamide is found in overcooked French fries and is implicated in cancer. Levels are much lower in soft French fries. Acrylamide does occur in cigarettes.

French fries are nowhere near as carcinogenic as cigarettes. Nor is bacon.
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And yet, cigarettes causing cancer is "all BS"?
Yes.

They may increase the risk of cancer, but they do NOT cause it.

If they did, all smokers would have cancer.

They don't, therefore it doesn't.

Try getting a clue.

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Yes.

They may increase the risk of cancer, but they do NOT cause it.

If they did, all smokers would have cancer.

They don't, therefore it doesn't.

Try getting a clue.

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You're an idiot. Presumably being shot in the head also doesn't cause death, right? I mean, if guns caused death, then everyone who was shot would die.

They don't, therefore they don't.

FFS. A tobacco-->cancer denier. In this day and age, with all the data now available. SMH in astonishment.
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Ironically, when I went to an Appple event back in 1983 (yes, they had money back then), they rented Disney Land (Anaheim). Great time, and yes we did jello and mud wresting on the side.

Still, the most bizarre was when I went for a job interview in Midland, and half of it was at a strip joint.

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And yet, cigarettes causing cancer is "all BS"?

Acrylamide is found in overcooked French fries and is implicated in cancer. Levels are much lower in soft French fries. Acrylamide does occur in cigarettes.

French fries are nowhere near as carcinogenic as cigarettes. Nor is bacon.


Sadly if we avoided all the foods that are "bad* for us we would starve.


Also most of the studies ignore that we all have different genes; as they say *one man's meat is another man's poison"!
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My great aunt made it to 102, my grandfather to 103, they both smoked.

It's all BS.
anedoctal fallacy, maybe good genes. what i don't understand is if you're trying to deny the smoke/cancer relation or just trying to say that lung cancer and smoking are not correlated in a deterministic manner but more in a stochastic way.

anyway the fact that if u don't do that job someone else will is good enough for me to justify working in a tobacco industry, you are not creating more evil on the macroscopic scale, because of that i wouldn't judge. then of course it's a matter of one's personal ethics and how he feels about himself working there.

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anyway the fact that if u don't do that job someone else will is enough for me to justify working in a tobacco industry, you are not creating more evil
You're not? Who is, then -- all the other workers at the tobacco company (but not you)? Sounds a bit like the Auschwitz guards' excuse. "I didn't have an important role in the process -- and I was only following orders..."
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You're not? Who is, then -- all the other workers at the tobacco company (but not you)? Sounds a bit like the Auschwitz guards' excuse. "I didn't have an important role in the process -- and I was only following orders..."
I said you are not creating MORE evil because of your choice.
I compare two parallel universes, in one you took the job, in the other you didn't and they hired someone else. X people is still smoking and 1 million are still dying because of it in both universes. So the evil is already there you're just making money off of it, i would not do it but i wouldn't blame someone who's looking for a good job.
Obviously it depends, if you're in marketing i guess you actually are making an effort to push cigarettes and that's bad, in this case the auschwitz comparison is ok because you're trying to put cigarettes in people's' mouths basically.
It's not very solid but that's how i see it.
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I understand, but your argument is flawed. If everyone were to take a moral stand and refuse to work for the tobacco company, then it would have no opportunity to create any evil. The excuse "if I didn't do it, someone else would have" is just an abdication of responsibility.

If you're out for a walk and see a wad of cash on the front seat of a car through its open window, would you take the cash and run? After all, if you don't, the next person will, right?
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