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Unemployment consulting in Zug/6-month notification - any advice appreciated

Hi guys, can anyone advise where I could get the unemployment consultancy in Zug? My German is fairly basic, but I hope I still could get some useful information.
The problem is that I've been notified about my dismissal a couple of days ago, with 9-month salaries being proposed to be paid as a lump sum at the end of the month. So, financially, I probably cannot complain. But I have a 6-month notification period in my contract, so I am just wondering if it would make sense for me to request formally staying with the company while I am searching for a new job, or just say "goodbye" to them. Situation is complicated by the fact that I have a 4-month baby, so will objectively not be able to work "full steam" for at least a few months, which naturally limits the choice and reduces my chances of finding something decent in the near future.
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Re: Unemployment consulting in Zug/6-month notification - any advice appreciated

Talk to these guys:

http://www.rav-zg.ch/
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Hi guys, can anyone advise where I could get the unemployment consultancy in Zug? My German is fairly basic, but I hope I still could get some useful information.

The problem is that I've been notified about my dismissal a couple of days ago, with 9-month salaries being proposed to be paid as a lump sum at the end of the month. So, financially, I probably cannot complain. But I have a 6-month notification period in my contract, so I am just wondering if it would make sense for me to request formally staying with the company while I am searching for a new job, or just say "goodbye" to them. Situation is complicated by the fact that I have a 4-month baby, so will objectively not be able to work "full steam" for at least a few months, which naturally limits the choice and reduces my chances of finding something decent in the near future.

Many thanks in advance.

You need to start sending out 10 job applications for the last 3 months of the contract .

If your not available 100% for work you will get reduced benefits. You need to have full time child care in place to get full benefits.
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Re: Unemployment consulting in Zug/6-month notification - any advice appreciated

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You need to start sending out 10 job applications for the last 3 months of the contract.
The issue is that the want to terminate it at the end of November in the exchange of a lump sum payout. The question is either I should agree, considered that it will impact my unemployment benefits, or should I suggest them some different scheme...
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Re: Unemployment consulting in Zug/6-month notification - any advice appreciated

I found the Arbeitslosenkasse in Zug really helpful. My german is OK, but it was a great help to have the OH present as translator as it is liable to get complicated.
It is certainly worth contacting them:
http://www.zg.ch/behoerden/volkswirt...eitslosenkasse
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Re: Unemployment consulting in Zug/6-month notification - any advice appreciated

I don't fully understand what you mean by saying
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But I have a 6-month notification period in my contract, so I am just wondering if it would make sense for me to request formally staying with the company while I am searching for a new job, or just say "goodbye" to them
You have the six months notice period in your contract, which they don't wanna respect, and they offered you to pay 9 months of salary if you're willing to finally leave end of November, is that the case?

Given that you have a little baby who needs you taking care of her/him nearly 24/7, and this will remain like that for a while, I would say that it's better for you if you can negotiate to transfer the currently offered "zero notice period + 9 months lump sum payment" package to a "six month notice period + 3 months lump sum" model or 7 + 2 or 8 + 1 or 9 + 0, whichever you prefer. (provided that notice period here means garden leave, e.g. you don't have to go to work but you remain on payroll.)
The longer you stretch your current contract period (without the need of going to work actually) the more time you can spend with your family.

RAV wise, and regarding the effort you'll need to invest in applying to jobs, there is no too much difference between the scenarios.
You must start to apply to positions of your interest now, in any case, because you'll have to be able to show that you made all reasonable efforts to find your next job once you've been informed about your dismissal.
When you'll need to present evidences of these applications - that's the question of timing, i.e. when your unemployment will actually start. That depends on how long you can keep your current employment contract running.
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I found the Arbeitslosenkasse in Zug really helpful.
It is certainly worth contacting them:
http://www.zg.ch/behoerden/volkswirt...eitslosenkasse
Thanks a lot! Do you have any idea which relationship they have to RAV?
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I don't fully understand what you mean by saying
You have the six months notice period in your contract, which they don't wanna respect, and they offered you to pay 9 months of salary if you're willing to finally leave end of November, is that the case?
You've got it right. Apparently, I cannot do anything about it, since they wanted me to sign the paper immediately upon notification that I'd agree to this conditions, and I did, as I was a bit shocked about this development, to be honest.
Is there no other way for me at all to postpone the job-search without potentially undermining the unemployment benefits? (e.g. If I want to start the job search in 2-3 months (w/o asking for unemployment benefits till then), will it inevitably impact the ultimate monthly installments I am entitled to?
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Re: Unemployment consulting in Zug/6-month notification - any advice appreciated

The benefit is a fixed percentage of your current salary, normally 70 % (and 80 if you have children and trailing spouse not working). And it's capped somewhere around the 70 % of a ~130 K yearly salary, so even if you make more than 130 K / year, your (monthly) unemployment benefit will not be more than the 70 % of 130 K (/12).
And they pay based on number of working days in the month, so you get more in a month with e.g. 22 working days than in a month with e.g. 20 working days.
I don't think the calculation will be different if you'd like to start the unemployment not right after your contract end date, but later.
The "penalty" they can apply usually means certain number of days in the beginning of the unemployment without payment, e.g. they can say you did not apply for positions so you don't get money for the firs month.
Of course, my experience is from another canton (Vaud) so I don't say you can bet on it - the best will be if you check it with the RAV office of your district directly. Ask someone who can speak German well enough to talk on your behalf.
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Re: Unemployment consulting in Zug/6-month notification - any advice appreciated

Million thanks, henrikh, will do!
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Re: Unemployment consulting in Zug/6-month notification - any advice appreciated

Yes, it will because the payments are based on the last 6-12 months' earnings so if you don't apply for unemployment immediately your payment will be lower because you've had some months where you haven't had any salary. Now that may be okay as you've got 9 months' salary anyway, but I don't know if there would be any other penalties applied by RAV because you didn't sign up immediately.

https://www.ch.ch/en/unemployment-ri...d-obligations/

As far as RAV is concerned they'd probably say stay with the company while you work your notice period out in the hopes that you won't need to sign on as you may find another job in that period.
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The longer you stretch your current contract period (without the need of going to work actually) the more time you can spend with your family.
If the OP on the other hand finds work quickly can he make more money (as I suppose the lump sum is not connected to garden leave...). I cannot say what's a better choice for the OP without knowing his situation in detail.
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Old 05.11.2015, 13:59
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The benefit is a fixed percentage of your current salary, normally 70 % (and 80 if you have children and trailing spouse not working). And it's capped somewhere around the 70 % of a ~130 K yearly salary, so even if you make more than 130 K / year, your (monthly) unemployment benefit will not be more than the 70 % of 130 K (/12).
The cap is 126k (exactly).

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Old 05.11.2015, 14:28
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The cap is 126k (exactly).

Tom
And that's a good thing, otherwise would thousands of people pay into the insurance to finance one unemployed Brady Dougan...
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Re: Unemployment consulting in Zug/6-month notification - any advice appreciated

I think you have to apply for RAV before the last day of contract (Nov month-end in your case), regardless notice period blabla.

you may have penalty (say no RAV payment for one month), but it doesn't really matter.
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