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L permit with help from RAV

I was just graduated as a phd from ETH last months, now i have a permit for half year for looking for a job, which is L. However, I can only be employed when the job is not taken by swiss and people from EU.

I have worked for years as phd student before, so have paid the unemployment insurance...but People from RAV told me probably I may not have the chance get any supports from them...no german course as well...he needs to consult other people and give me an answer.

does anyone have any experiences about that? i feel somehow unfair...

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Re: L permit with help from RAV

No, that is not true. The whole point of the 6 month period after graduation is that non-EU nationals have the same hiring possibilities as Swiss/EU nationals. So long as your employer can prove an economic/scientific benefit to Switzerland he/she/they can hire you.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...abgaenger.html
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Re: L permit with help from RAV

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I was just graduated as a phd from ETH last months, now i have a permit for half year for looking for a job, which is L. However, I can only be employed when the job is not taken by swiss and people from EU.
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I have worked for years as phd student before, so have paid the unemployment insurance...but People from RAV told me probably I may not have the chance get any supports from them...no german course as well...he needs to consult other people and give me an answer.

does anyone have any experiences about that? i feel somehow unfair...

thank you!
Wrong!
See this translated NZZ article.

https://translate.google.de/translat...ite&edit-text=
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What article?
The one you get if you click Mullhollander's link?

Copied/pasted here. Keep in mind it's a Google Translate so a bit rough around the edges.

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Studying, unemployed - bankrupt?
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12.12.2011 - 00:00
Abschluss im Sack, aber Job noch in weiter Ferne.

Statements in the sack, but Job still far off. (Picture: Rachel Nicole iron ring)

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Unemployed Careers

Who does not directly find a job after graduation, which the state intervenes for a few months financially under the arms. But for graduates must be timely to take the initiative - and fulfill obligations.

Whether teaching, Bachelor or Master title - after completing the training graduates can find many not directly a job. The search for the first job may take only a few weeks or even months. But how you funded during this period: Jobbing, unemployment benefits, or at least back to mommy and daddy? The Internet is full of information about how to find a job, the counseling centers of higher education, the canton and the city informed. But financial assistance is only available at one place, the regional employment centers (RAV).
Age crucial

Regardless of whether you have previously worked once before, in Switzerland is unemployed career starters money from the state to. Here, the law is different in principle two cases: Who is older than 25 years and a university degree or a higher vocational training has been completed, receives monthly 3220 francs; slightly less, namely 2670 Swiss francs, graduates is to have completed a basic vocational training.

Who is younger than 25 years, can generally count on the half, ie 1660 Swiss francs with university or higher vocational training or 1335 francs with vocational basic training. Only graduates who themselves have children get, in any case, the full set.

The state support gets a career starters for 90 days; besides, he has worked alongside their studies so much that the benefit period be extended, which will be clarified in each individual case. Entitled to unemployment benefits there from the first day on which you are "employable" - no longer enrolled, but actually unemployed. However, one must first get it over 120 days of waiting. While these duties, money already apply, however obtained after the aforesaid deadline. Retrospectively the money is not paid, you have to register in time so the RAV.

To do that, a personal visit to a RAV-place is necessary. Which branch is exactly responsible, depends on the place of residence, where one is reported; Only in the city of Zurich there are six centers throughout the canton eleven. On the website of the RAV the responsible institutions are listed. In the first appointment in the RAV have to bring some documents: the AHV card, application documents, ie CV, diplomas, and possibly already sent applications.
Tied to money restrictions

An unemployment benefit some duties are granted; which are exactly, explain the RAV-staff at a half-day information session whose visit is the first edition. In principle, the unemployed person must "all reasonable" take in order as quickly as possible to find a job - if necessary just in another career field. How has the concrete attempts have to his RAV recruitment consultants demonstrate every month in writing, for example, with copies of the job application or letter of rejection. Should you not cheating, that would be a criminal offense. How many applications are to be sent per week, discusses the RAV-consultant with the graduates depending on your personal situation. Despite unemployment may be casual work in passing or do an internship; the merit is then charged in each individual case with the unemployment benefits. Even the RAV examined in turn by matching points for the graduates; this can indeed reject, but which must justify well. Do not come to their obligations under that unemployment benefits may be reduced or temporarily canceled altogether.

Who is registered at the RAV unemployed, also gets access to the job market and can arrange personal consultations. On the website of the RAV, for example, advice and tips find brochures to design an application cover sheet; compared with information from other portals such information is however rather poor.
Little young recipients

Many graduates perceive the requirements of the RAV as limiting or even impertinence and waive any financial support. They apply anyway monthly at several places, could thus relate with little more effort, the unemployment benefit. Of the 21,098 people who were registered as unemployed in the Canton of Zurich in October, came only 506 fresh out of high school or college. The job search is likely in purely statistical terms not last long: In Switzerland, only 3.2 percent of 15- to 24-year-olds are unemployed, the EU average, however studied about one in five (20.9 percent) of young people a job.

Anyone who wants to avoid unemployment as far as possible, the help to students times the professional work of the universities. At the University of Zurich check employees of Career Services, the resumes and cover letters of graduates and practicing job interviews. The care services works well, reports Roger Gfrörer, who directs the University of Zurich, the Career Services. Within a year after most graduates have found employment.
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Re: L permit with help from RAV

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Re: L permit with help from RAV

That is clear to me now...
The person told me that I have the ' aufenthalt zur ausbildung' , so it is different... As his duty is to find me a job as soon as possible, which I can't reject. However, the company should also show their scientific benefit..(maybe somehow conflict to him )
Should I send him an email to point this out ? My next termin with him is next month...the chance to have a job is not that obvious for me now..

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No, that is not true. The whole point of the 6 month period after graduation is that non-EU nationals have the same hiring possibilities as Swiss/EU nationals. So long as your employer can prove an economic/scientific benefit to Switzerland he/she/they can hire you.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...abgaenger.html
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Re: L permit with help from RAV

Thanks a lot for the link!

However, it may not related with non-Eu student...

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Re: L permit with help from RAV

You could point it out to him, but he should know. Then again, often people don't know exactly what the rules are. He should refer to the Foreign Nationals Act which will tell him exactly where you stand hiring-wise.
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